WR - Breshad Perriman UCF

Originally posted by Vito_Corleone:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I feel ya, but how many drops did we see this past year I would rather have a WR that was a little slower, but catches everything than a burner who can't catch. I wouldn't hate drafting him in the 2nd but if it was between him and Smith I'd take Smith.

Well then, let's re-sign Crabtree.

Considering we just signed Smith who has plenty of speed it would be nice to add a more consistent ball-catcher IMO, might as well draft Sammy Coates who is basically the same player as Perriman in the late 2nd or 3rd then.

Originally posted by 49ers808:
I'd take Perriman over Smith all day. We already have a Smith for the deep ball, see Torrey. Perriman has a rare combination of size, strength and exceptional speed. This is the guy I hope we target if
WR is our pick after trading back in the first

After watching more tape on him I came away with a couple things.

• His QB didn't not help him at all this year
• has good playing speed and good inside breaks for slants and crosses
• he rounds a lot of more complex routes, I don't see a ton of effort there
• poor hands but every once in a while he will make a great catch
• not pressed a lot in college, not sure how he would handle that in the pros
• he needs to work on routing running and get a jug machine

He is intriguing with his size/speed and I think he needs more coaching. I don't see him rolling into the league year 1 and getting 800-1,000 yards but I could be wrong lol. I don't see him as a first round pick and if your going to trade down for another WR I'd take DGB or Strong in the 1st and Devin Smith in the 2nd over him.

For some reason to me his body language and stride is very similar to young Jerry Rice. I'm not saying he's comparable in any way but just that the way he runs and moves around on the field looks alot like Jerry to my eyes.

Originally posted by SaksV:

For some reason to me his body language and stride is very similar to young Jerry Rice. I'm not saying he's comparable in any way but just that the way he runs and moves around on the field looks alot like Jerry to my eyes.

Really? I don't see that at all.....

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SaksV:
For some reason to me his body language and stride is very similar to young Jerry Rice. I'm not saying he's comparable in any way but just that the way he runs and moves around on the field looks alot like Jerry to my eyes.

Really? I don't see that at all.....

not saying he plays like him, just that he runs sort of like him.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
After watching more tape on him I came away with a couple things.

• His QB didn't not help him at all this year
• has good playing speed and good inside breaks for slants and crosses
• he rounds a lot of more complex routes, I don't see a ton of effort there
• poor hands but every once in a while he will make a great catch
• not pressed a lot in college, not sure how he would handle that in the pros
• he needs to work on routing running and get a jug machine

He is intriguing with his size/speed and I think he needs more coaching. I don't see him rolling into the league year 1 and getting 800-1,000 yards but I could be wrong lol. I don't see him as a first round pick and if your going to trade down for another WR I'd take DGB or Strong in the 1st and Devin Smith in the 2nd over him.

Correct. He is pretty much strictly a 9-route runner at this point, much like Devon Smith. Can they expand their game beyond this? Not sure. This holds me back from being too high on either prospect.

Breshad had only one more catch than UCF's other WR prosepect, Rannell Hall. And Hall played in three less games. So, per game, Perriman was second on the team. Typically when we see this, it does not bode well in the NFL. Case in point was Tevin Austin and Stedman Bailey. Bailey had equal amount of catches, but better yards per catch, and many, many more TDs. Another case, the Arkansas trio of J. Adams, Greg Childs and Jarius Wright. Wright had the superior senior year, and went on to have the superior pro career. Not every situation is like this, but the trends lean that way.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

I'd take Perriman over Smith all day. We already have a Smith for the deep ball, see Torrey. Perriman has a rare combination of size, strength and exceptional speed. This is the guy I hope we target if
WR is our pick after trading back in the first

After watching more tape on him I came away with a couple things.

• His QB didn't not help him at all this year
• has good playing speed and good inside breaks for slants and crosses
• he rounds a lot of more complex routes, I don't see a ton of effort there
• poor hands but every once in a while he will make a great catch
• not pressed a lot in college, not sure how he would handle that in the pros
• he needs to work on routing running and get a jug machine

He is intriguing with his size/speed and I think he needs more coaching. I don't see him rolling into the league year 1 and getting 800-1,000 yards but I could be wrong lol. I don't see him as a first round pick and if your going to trade down for another WR I'd take DGB or Strong in the 1st and Devin Smith in the 2nd over him.

I actually agree with your assessment, however I think everything he lacks right now is very coachable and can be fixed. DGB and Strong wouldn't make me upset at all, but I just think Perriman has the intangibles to be elite and doesn't have the baggage of DGB or the separation struggles of Strong. In games I've watched, Perriman beat CBs all the time but the QB either didn't look his way, was under pressure, or just couldn't hit him with a good pass. Don't get me wrong, he did drop some that he should be slapped for, but that was after completely seperating from the cb

lol... hilarious reading the talk about "looks like a 4.6 guy". Cool, you heard some analyst same that about some WR that doesn't play as fast as his time suggests, now you repeat it for every WR you don't personally like.

You do realize that he is underthrown in damn near all of his long balls, right? That he has to stop, turn around and go up to high point passes that should be hitting him in stride?

Please show me all these instances where he gets "caught from behind". I saw ONE... and he got "caught" stumbling in the End Zone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QW0qBVVND-U

There is seriously not a SINGLE play where he gets "caught" from behind before the End Zone when he hasn't had to stop or slow down to make a tough grab.

Unless he goes to a s**tty situation, between his game tape, his size/atleticism and having NFL bloodlines, hard to imagine him not being a good pro. Thankful Trent Baalke actually scouts players objectively and doesn't let message board popular vote draft players.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
After watching more tape on him I came away with a couple things.

• His QB didn't not help him at all this year
• has good playing speed and good inside breaks for slants and crosses
• he rounds a lot of more complex routes, I don't see a ton of effort there
• poor hands but every once in a while he will make a great catch
• not pressed a lot in college, not sure how he would handle that in the pros
• he needs to work on routing running and get a jug machine

He is intriguing with his size/speed and I think he needs more coaching. I don't see him rolling into the league year 1 and getting 800-1,000 yards but I could be wrong lol. I don't see him as a first round pick and if your going to trade down for another WR I'd take DGB or Strong in the 1st and Devin Smith in the 2nd over him.

Ya... if you look at his highlight reel, hardly ANY of those long balls were thrown in stride, and he has to make some kind of adjusted grab on almost all of the throws. Adjusting to the ball is something that can't be teached or measured, and it's what separates guys like Andre Johnson from Bryant Johnson.

He does drop some catchable passes, but catching balls you're supposed to catch CAN be coached. Turning, contorting your body and high pointing passes in double and triple coverage and timing it right can't.

As for press coverage, the biggest knock on him is that he didn't play in a great conference. He has exceptionally quick feet for his size, great balance and active hands, perhaps the teams he faced chose NOT to press him because there is a lot of bad film of CB's getting roasted that try to.

I was sold on him as a 2nd round pick and potential late 1st before he smashed it at his pro day... but there is no way in hell he will make it out of the 1st round now.

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
Correct. He is pretty much strictly a 9-route runner at this point, much like Devon Smith. Can they expand their game beyond this? Not sure. This holds me back from being too high on either prospect.

Breshad had only one more catch than UCF's other WR prosepect, Rannell Hall. And Hall played in three less games. So, per game, Perriman was second on the team. Typically when we see this, it does not bode well in the NFL. Case in point was Tevin Austin and Stedman Bailey. Bailey had equal amount of catches, but better yards per catch, and many, many more TDs. Another case, the Arkansas trio of J. Adams, Greg Childs and Jarius Wright. Wright had the superior senior year, and went on to have the superior pro career. Not every situation is like this, but the trends lean that way.

I'm sorry, but there is zero truth to this. There are a number of big plays he running posts, corners, slants and he has been effective running quick outs and in routes in the back of the end zone in the red zone.

Yes, yes, Rannell Hill did only have 1 less catch than him...

But you left out that Rannell Hill also had:

- 500 less yards
- Averaged 10 yards less per catch
- Had 0 TD's to Perriman's 9


It's wild to me that people don't even ENTERTAIN the thought that when a college coach is playing a mid major team with ONE superstar talent with freak athleticism... that they are probably gonna roll their coverage over to that player and force others to beat them, creating easier opportunities underneath for lesser players, and less opportunities and tighter windows for a sub-par QB to get the ball to a player that can change the game on any given play.


I don't think the Arkansas WR trio you mentioned compares in anyway way, seeing how Greg Childs had a series of horrible injuries before getting drafted and Joe Adams was basically a glorified punt returner who had little to no good tape of him making plays outside of returns or dump offs.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Considering we just signed Smith who has plenty of speed it would be nice to add a more consistent ball-catcher IMO, might as well draft Sammy Coates who is basically the same player as Perriman in the late 2nd or 3rd then.

I like Sammy Coates and wouldnt' be upset if we drafted him in the 3rd round... but I don't see him as anything above a poor man's Torrey Smith. Which can be still be an asset to a team, but is that how we wanna address the future of our WR position?

My issues with Coates are that he's shorter, smaller and slower than he's advertised, and if he's not making deep grabs downfield, he's not doing much else. His agility is nothing special, neither is his ability to snare fastballs on intermediate routes-- which can be problematic with a QB like Kap that likes to throw bullets on a rope.

Don't dislike him altogether as a player, but would hate it if we drafted him with the intention of being a starter or go-to player later on.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by natrone06:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
How does this guy get caught from BEHIND on his highlights if he is running in the 4.2's? He plays nowhere near that. Not even in the same category. He looks like 4.5's on tape. I would not even guess 4.4 on game tape. Game speed and track speed are two different things. Plus pro days are usually hand held times and not electronic laser times like the combine. Very unreliable. I'm not sure we can even say he really ran that. He's probably pretty fast. But these are not laser times like the combine.

In one play in his highlights he gets caught from behind and still scored a td lol. The timed speed only validates what every scout was saying pre pro day and that is hes extremely fast and explosive.

And he has a 14% drop rate you can be fast and explosive, but it doesn't matter if you can't catch the ball (see Darrius Heyward-Bey). I would rather take Devin Smith over him in the 2nd with out a doubt.

Dude... he caught 50 balls on the year. It's an extremely small sample size to write him off for having "horrible hands". Meaning he dropped about 11-12 balls out of about 62-63 catchable passes.

So you are faulting him for HIS mistakes, and totally disregarding the numerous big play, incredibly difficult adjustment grabs he bailed his QB on. I see you also did not include a stat that showed how many times he was wide open and the QB either missed him or gave him such a s**tty pass even he couldn't do anything with it.

The Devin Smith to DeSean Jackson comparisons are both funny to me and ironic- DeSean Jackson was far and away the best WR in college football the year he came out. He dropped because of serious character concerns and because he weight 175 wet and wearing boots.

Devin Smith is talented, but he had an accurate, poised, strong armed QB throwing him the ball. I doubt even Devin Smith's family considers him the best WR in this draft. Maybe he will be a very good pro, who knows, I see a LITTLE bit of Steve Smith in him... but IMO he wasn't nearly the player MeSean was coming out.

Originally posted by LowerTheBoom:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by natrone06:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
How does this guy get caught from BEHIND on his highlights if he is running in the 4.2's? He plays nowhere near that. Not even in the same category. He looks like 4.5's on tape. I would not even guess 4.4 on game tape. Game speed and track speed are two different things. Plus pro days are usually hand held times and not electronic laser times like the combine. Very unreliable. I'm not sure we can even say he really ran that. He's probably pretty fast. But these are not laser times like the combine.

In one play in his highlights he gets caught from behind and still scored a td lol. The timed speed only validates what every scout was saying pre pro day and that is hes extremely fast and explosive.

And he has a 14% drop rate you can be fast and explosive, but it doesn't matter if you can't catch the ball (see Darrius Heyward-Bey). I would rather take Devin Smith over him in the 2nd with out a doubt.

Dude... he caught 50 balls on the year. It's an extremely small sample size to write him off for having "horrible hands". Meaning he dropped about 11-12 balls out of about 62-63 catchable passes.

So you are faulting him for HIS mistakes, and totally disregarding the numerous big play, incredibly difficult adjustment grabs he bailed his QB on. I see you also did not include a stat that showed how many times he was wide open and the QB either missed him or gave him such a s**tty pass even he couldn't do anything with it.

The Devin Smith to DeSean Jackson comparisons are both funny to me and ironic- DeSean Jackson was far and away the best WR in college football the year he came out. He dropped because of serious character concerns and because he weight 175 wet and wearing boots.

Devin Smith is talented, but he had an accurate, poised, strong armed QB throwing him the ball. I doubt even Devin Smith's family considers him the best WR in this draft. Maybe he will be a very good pro, who knows, I see a LITTLE bit of Steve Smith in him... but IMO he wasn't nearly the player MeSean was coming out.

Perriman frustrates me more than any other 1st or 2nd round WR prospect. He's crazy talented and he makes some impressive catches, but why in the hell is the son of an NFL WR so damn raw in his skill set? He's obviously had opportunities to refine his routes and catching/concentration so why hasn't he? Dude could be a GREAT pick or a horrendous bust.

Originally posted by LowerTheBoom:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Correct. He is pretty much strictly a 9-route runner at this point, much like Devon Smith. Can they expand their game beyond this? Not sure. This holds me back from being too high on either prospect.

Breshad had only one more catch than UCF's other WR prosepect, Rannell Hall. And Hall played in three less games. So, per game, Perriman was second on the team. Typically when we see this, it does not bode well in the NFL. Case in point was Tevin Austin and Stedman Bailey. Bailey had equal amount of catches, but better yards per catch, and many, many more TDs. Another case, the Arkansas trio of J. Adams, Greg Childs and Jarius Wright. Wright had the superior senior year, and went on to have the superior pro career. Not every situation is like this, but the trends lean that way.

I'm sorry, but there is zero truth to this. There are a number of big plays he running posts, corners, slants and he has been effective running quick outs and in routes in the back of the end zone in the red zone.

Yes, yes, Rannell Hill did only have 1 less catch than him...

But you left out that Rannell Hill also had:

- 500 less yards
- Averaged 10 yards less per catch
- Had 0 TD's to Perriman's 9


It's wild to me that people don't even ENTERTAIN the thought that when a college coach is playing a mid major team with ONE superstar talent with freak athleticism... that they are probably gonna roll their coverage over to that player and force others to beat them, creating easier opportunities underneath for lesser players, and less opportunities and tighter windows for a sub-par QB to get the ball to a player that can change the game on any given play.


I don't think the Arkansas WR trio you mentioned compares in anyway way, seeing how Greg Childs had a series of horrible injuries before getting drafted and Joe Adams was basically a glorified punt returner who had little to no good tape of him making plays outside of returns or dump offs.

The 9-route thing I think is a misunderstanding -- MD is not saying Perriman cannot or has not ever ran the other routes, he's saying his most experience/success comes from the vertical game.

To be quite honest, as boom or bust as Perriman is, I would not be all that shocked if Rannell Hall went on to be the better NFL player. Hall had a down year because he played fighting through injuries, but he's a very underrated receiver who also has return ability. They gave him some opportunities running the ball too (25 carries, 129 yards, 1 TD). Had a nice Shrine game week too.

Perriman has real speed...but per NFL.com draft profiles he runs sloppy routes, sits & waits on balls instead of coming back to the QB, and has erratic hands. Some of those issues are correctable...not sure about the drops. NFL player comparison: Kenny Britt

Coates has a lot of the same characteristics as Perriman...similar size and also fast, although Coates ran @ .2 seconds slower than BP. Like Perriman he also has questionable hands...had a 19.1 drop rate, not good at all. NFL player comparison: Martavius Bryant

I think it's safe to say both of these guys have some very good tools to work with...but both are pretty raw WR's. Both would need a lot of work at the NFL level to become much better route runners and reliable receivers. For me, Devin Smith is a guy I'd draft over Perriman and Coates...if you saw his work vs both 'Bama and Oregon, it was stellar. He can score from anywhere on the field.