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Originally posted by WRATHman44:Originally posted by NYniner85:not sure where the "I still believe there is no way our offense will be as dynamic without Roman" can from under my post....weird
The WZ can read minds now.
Originally posted by LowerTheBoom:I understand where you are coming from,I have been having a ongoing discussion with several guys about D Parker and what I see in His Game as a WR and when I tell them He is not the WR they think he is and the first thing they bring up is HIS STATS and How I,m wrong because I don't use STATS which they use to validate their Crush on Parker,I see Him as a guy that wuill not have the success He has had in college,to me He looks kinda slow on the field,I have yet to see him run away from guys or run past guys and this concerns me, if He is not doing this on a regular basis then you are going to have problems in the NFL against Elite CBs and Ss sorry bt I had to agree with your take on "STATS" does not dictate how good a guy is in college on how good he will be in the Pros.
I don't think you even absorbed what I said and WHY I don't pay attention to that stat. Maybe "0" stock was a little too black and white, but my point is that there are too many grand variables completely out of the WR's control that play into that.
As for your 2nd paragraph... NFL teams have NFL caliber QB's throwing the ball to their WR's, so the stat bears MUCH more weight than in college where 98% of QB's won't even stick on an NFL roster, let alone be starter caliber or any good. And what the poster above said... how do you even know this to say this? There are 32 teams in the NFL, assuming even 1 team does it that way, it's insane to think that every team and coach analyzes the same things.
Collegiate prospect scouting and self-scouting for an NFL are not even close to the same thing. In one, you are trying to project how a player will perform at the next level, in the other you're looking at the production of the players currently playing at that level.
Listen, I say this with as much respect as possible... but if it were as easy as rounding up a handful of baseline stats and seeing who had the better numbers, there would 500,000 fans "qualified" to be an NFL GM.
It's not. Every single stat, even the "advanced" metrics, have lots of variables. It's why you don't just draft the most productive players at the best programs high no matter what and why guys with lesser production from smaller schools are considered better prospects and end up being better pro's.
Besides, any way you slice it... no stat or anything ANYONE provided excuses Devin Smith for having a mere 33 receptions on the season, disappearing completely for the majority of the games, or being borderline worthless in the intermediate and short part of the field.
Originally posted by jrouter4949:I understand where you are coming from,I have been having a ongoing discussion with several guys about D Parker and what I see in His Game as a WR and when I tell them He is not the WR they think he is and the first thing they bring up is HIS STATS and How I,m wrong because I don't use STATS which they use to validate their Crush on Parker,I see Him as a guy that wuill not have the success He has had in college,to me He looks kinda slow on the field,I have yet to see him run away from guys or run past guys and this concerns me, if He is not doing this on a regular basis then you are going to have problems in the NFL against Elite CBs and Ss sorry bt I had to agree with your take on "STATS" does not dictate how good a guy is in college on how good he will be in the Pros.Originally posted by LowerTheBoom:I don't think you even absorbed what I said and WHY I don't pay attention to that stat. Maybe "0" stock was a little too black and white, but my point is that there are too many grand variables completely out of the WR's control that play into that.
As for your 2nd paragraph... NFL teams have NFL caliber QB's throwing the ball to their WR's, so the stat bears MUCH more weight than in college where 98% of QB's won't even stick on an NFL roster, let alone be starter caliber or any good. And what the poster above said... how do you even know this to say this? There are 32 teams in the NFL, assuming even 1 team does it that way, it's insane to think that every team and coach analyzes the same things.
Collegiate prospect scouting and self-scouting for an NFL are not even close to the same thing. In one, you are trying to project how a player will perform at the next level, in the other you're looking at the production of the players currently playing at that level.
Listen, I say this with as much respect as possible... but if it were as easy as rounding up a handful of baseline stats and seeing who had the better numbers, there would 500,000 fans "qualified" to be an NFL GM.
It's not. Every single stat, even the "advanced" metrics, have lots of variables. It's why you don't just draft the most productive players at the best programs high no matter what and why guys with lesser production from smaller schools are considered better prospects and end up being better pro's.
Besides, any way you slice it... no stat or anything ANYONE provided excuses Devin Smith for having a mere 33 receptions on the season, disappearing completely for the majority of the games, or being borderline worthless in the intermediate and short part of the field.
Originally posted by LowerTheBoom:
Besides, any way you slice it... no stat or anything ANYONE provided excuses Devin Smith for having a mere 33 receptions on the season, disappearing completely for the majority of the games, or being borderline worthless in the intermediate and short part of the field.
Originally posted by NYniner85:thank you we`agree on something, Parker will not make it to 15.
Not sure why you're STILL trying to continue this?? No one has a crush on Parker and YOUR the one still talking about him...if you don't think stats offer some indication on how a players play, then I don't know what to tell you and I doubt we will agree on much. Like I've said over and over I also value how a player plays against top competition and Parker and Smith both fared well.
I will also take the word of people, who's job are scouting and evaluating over yours, I'm sorry but that's how I see it.....and really there isn't anything to argue about because Parker won't even make it to us at 15...I'm really tired of repeating myself with you and contuning to show you different facts while you keep ignoring them and repeating the same "faults" that he might have.
Originally posted by 9moon:
forget what you all saw from the stats... as you know, they are only stats..
but if you've seen this kid enough, it would tell you that no way he belongs in the top 20...
I can somehow understand if a team in the late round (Patriots or Seattle) invests their 1st rounder, that would be something different...
I'm pretty sure that about 98% of the teams will all agree that as talented as he is, the latent can wait til the late 1st to mid 3rd round..
Originally posted by buck:
Originally posted by LowerTheBoom:
Besides, any way you slice it... no stat or anything ANYONE provided excuses Devin Smith for having a mere 33 receptions on the season, disappearing completely for the majority of the games, or being borderline worthless in the intermediate and short part of the field.
Devin Smith was targeted a grand total of 48 times in 2014. He had 33 receptions.
Ezekiel Elliott had 28 receptions. Dontre Wilson had 21 receptions. Both Elliot and Wilson are running backs.
Smith's low number of receptions could be as much a reflection on the offensive scheme or play calling as it is a reflection on his skill as a wide receiver.
Originally posted by 49ers808:Since you mentioned Conley, that's who I would try to take:
Why are you guys talking about Devin Smith in Perrimans thread? Doesn't he have his own thread? Anyways I think for a lot of us, like I mentioned in Dorsetts thread, have just been ultimately missing that speed element we lacked from the WR position for too long. That's why all these guys intrigued me anyways, and I ain't gonna lie, after seeing ODB wreck the league last year to the point where Sherman already thinks he's one of the best, I want some of that too! Whether it be Perriman, Devin Smith, Dorsett, Lockette, hell even Conley, I take any of them at this point as long as we don't miss out on
a deep and talented class this year like we did last. But I do really like Ellington
Originally posted by NYniner85:
sorry had too
I like a trade down scenario, Baalke has talked about having Gore in their future. Just because they haven't resigned him in Feb doesn't mean much. I would disagree we need a lot of help in many positions. Baalke has drafted over 20 players in the last 2 drafts and some of those players need to finally step up.
Originally posted by buck:
I took a look at the Ohio St receiving stats. Devin Smith was third on the team with 33 receptions. He led the Buckeyes in receiving yards, yards per catch, and receiving touchdowns. I am not sure how he accomplished that if he, as you said, disappeared "completely for the majority of the games."
You seem to basing this disappearance on a single stat; his 33 receptions in 2014.
Smith was only targeted 48 times in 2014.
He did have a catch rate of 68.75 %, which is pretty damn good.
You can stress the 33 receptions all that you like, but there is no denying the fact that he did very well with the targets that he got.
Originally posted by buck:
Perriman had a catch rate of 53.19%. That catch rate would produce a total of about 26 receptions with 48 targets, the number of targets that Devin Smith had or 7 less receptions than Devin Smith had.
Smith had a catch rate of 68.75 %. A catch rate of 68.75% would produce about 65 receptions with 94 targets, the number of targets that Perriman had, or 14 more receptions than Perriman had.
The above comparisons are only for illustrative purposes.
As 49er fans, we really should know that play calling and offensive scheme can drastically impact the passing game.
