Originally posted by IHATELOWELLCOHN:
Ok you obviously know about this guy. I didn't hear his name mentioned as a 1st round pick until they announed his 40 time which reminds me of Heyward-Bey. Since you know about this guy answer some questions for me please. Who was Peeriman's QB? What kind of offense did they run? How many productive years did he have? The drops that he did have were they balls he tried to body or did they hit his hands and bounce off? Does he create a lot of YAC or was his production mainly from catch and runs where the DB is 15 yards away? Can he get off the press? Finally, any time missed due to injury? I'm not concerned with the drops if he's a body catcher in college because if he has soft hands you can teach technique. Same with the route running. Also, is this guy in your opinon someone we can get at 25 if we trade back or would we have to take him at 15?
First off man, I have to give you major props for your handle name. Can't f**kin stand Lowell Cohn or his annoying kid.
Sir, I believe most of your concerns are addressed through examples I've made from what he has shown on tape and what I've said throughout the thread.
I will touch up on a couple of your questions though.
As far as "name being mentioned as a 1st round pick...", the only people whose opinions ultimately matter are that of NFL scouts and GM's, none of which are give up their draft board before the draft. What Mel Kiper, Todd McShay, etc. have these players ranked is just a GUESS where they think NFL teams value these players. As evidenced by the fact that EVERY year, there are players picked much higher than expected, as well as player dropping further than expected, I would be very leery on making absolute/direct correlations of a players talent and what teams think of them based on outside and sometimes amateur opinions.
Mel Kiper actually had him mocked to us at #15... and to me, that is more of an indictment on the guy than a positive. I hate Mel Kiper, and my opinion of Perriman has absolutely nothing to do with Kiper being high on Perriman. We simply happen to agree on this particular instance. And FWIW, even Todd McShay has him #19 on his big board.
Listen, I keep it real, and I'm not gonna pretend that I have watched every game of every prospect extensively like some posters do. That's not realistic. Have I watched a few games of these guys, and do I go back and cross reference old game film and highlight reels before I voice an opinion to make sure I'm not making false claims? Yes, I do.
1) I don't know Perriman's QB's name. I DO know, however, that in MOST of the deep balls he caught, Perriman had to completely stop or slow down, and was making hand catches away from his body. That tells me he is able to make big plays in spite of playing with a QB that gave him horrible ball placement. QB's name is neither here nor there, just look at the type of balls he was thrown if you want the story there.
2) I personally don't judge players on the type of drops they have, but rather the type of catches they make. Now, if Perriman was a BODY CATCHER and had a lot of drops... that tells me doesn't have the physical ability, hand eye coordination, to ever have good hands. Those kinds of players HAVE to be hit in stride, or they are probably gonna drop it. Negates all the physical talent in the world. If you look at most of Perriman's catches... they are all with his HANDS, and away from his body, often times behind or high. That information tells you what you need to do know about his capabilities as far as his ability to catch the ball goes. If he had bad hands, he wouldn't be able to make the type of grabs he does.
3)
RE: YAC
It's hard to get a lot of YAC when you are dealing with bad ball placement, because it stops all your momentum and gives the defenders a chance to catch up. However, there are several plays where he IS hit in stride in the open field, and displays very good vision, balance, ability to make defenders miss, and power to run through arm tackles.
4)
RE: Press Coverage
Hard to get a totally accurate gauge on this because of the competition he faced, but his feet are explosive at the snap and he does display active hands. Typically, WR's that struggle against the press are either bigger guys that have "build up" speed that are slow getting into their routes, or smaller guys who aren't lightning fast that get pushed around. I don't believe he fits into either of those categories.
5) His route running leaves something to be desired, he sometimes gets lazy, rounds off routes, etc., but what I look at is if he has the physical skills to get better with repetition. To be a good route runner, WR's need great balance, flexible ankles/hips to be able to sink into and explode out of their break, and the ability to stop/start their momentum. His movement skills in games show that he is not only fully capable, but that he has the feet of a player much smaller than him, IMO.
6)
RE: Darius Heyward-Bey
Darius Heyward-Bey was a funny pick because NOTHING on tape showed him to be anything more than a deep threat. Perriman shows the ability to make rare, highlight reel catches downfield (and make them look easy), showed very good RAC ability when given the chance, shows great body control, and the ability to over-power DB's.
Besides a 4.2 forty time, I personally noticed zero similarities in both of their abilities.
7)
RE: Will he be there at 15 or 25?
At first, I thought he would e a good player to trade back into the late 1st or trade up into the early 2nd for. IMO, after his pro day and 40... I don't think there is any way he's there at 25, and I would not be the least bit surprised to see him go before our pick at 15.
The reality of the matter is that although a super fast 40 time *ALONE* doesn't guarantee a player will be any good... it DOES matter, and gives a gauge about how a player stacks up athletically to other world class athletes at his position in the NFL. Especially when the time is so fast that it is completely unheard of for a player that size. Chris Johnson was expected to be a 2nd-3rd round pick, he went I think 17th overall.
8) Lastly....
Perriman DOES have his flaws. He DOES have a lot of drops, whether concentration or not, you can't excuse them completely, and he's not a polished route runner.
But to put things in perspective.... at 6'2, 214 lbs, 4.2 forty... long arms, productive playing with a s**tty QB, great body control and rare playmaking ability...
If he had "A" grade hands and route running, he would be a Top 3 pick and we would have a better shot at drafting Leonard Williams than him.
**Bottom line, if you think a player has a chance to be "special", you throw out draft value and all that junk, because draft grades and value charts don't win you championships, great players do. Could we have drafted Aldon Smith later than 7th? Could we have waiting before drafting Kap early in the 2nd? Possibly-- but what does that really matter? We got great players.
I personally think Perriman can be special in the NFL. WILL HE is another question that is TBD, just like it is for all players...
...but the things I mentioned in my post and have throughout my thread can be validated by watching him play, watching games, watching a simple high light tape.
I welcome anyone that wants to dispute the things I say by SHOWING examples on the football field.... but it seems I keep going in circles with fans that have nothing but selective stats and unverifiable claims.
If your relying on Simpson,Mayle,McBride, or Waller to contribute anything then more power to you.