RB Leonard Fournette

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Even last year, it was noting special. Just over 1000 yards at 3.9 per carry....

And they won a bunch of games with a great d and that 3 yards and a cloud of dust old school play last year.

And their winning last year wasn't because of Fournette. He was over drafted.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

I mean just playing devils advocate here but what passing threat do the Jaguar present? I'll wait

That's why you draft a QB not a RB that high

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

That hurts if you're a Jaguar fan. No doubt about it. We were waiting for Cousins/ landed Jimmy. Qb argument doesn't apply. We drafted Solly filling in the enormous hole we had for a 3rd dt.

If we took LF he's basically Alfred Morris. It's a coin flip between who'd be more worthless him or Solly.

I also thought Solly was a mistake

End of the day when you're drafting high you gotta think about drafting to fill an impact position...RB/S and LBer are positions that don't require a top 10 pick, unless it's an "generational" talent

DE/CB/OT/QB edge are imo much more important. Hell I wanted aaron Jones from that draft and he was what a 5th rd pick?

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

And their winning last year wasn't because of Fournette. He was over drafted.

I do concede I had him as a Jamal Lewis and he wasn't that year 1 or 2.

He wasn't my pick though I just liked him as a prospect.

Edited too late. My bad.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
End of the day when you're drafting high you gotta think about drafting to fill an impact position...RB/S and LBer are positions that don't require a top 10 pick, unless it's an "generational" talent

DE/CB/OT/QB edge are imo much more important. Hell I wanted aaron Jones from that draft and he was what a 5th rd pick?

Said it then and I'll say it now. Your 2nd dt is more likely to be a grunt work guy than an impact player. Only saving grace is like we all knew that draft class sucked. It really doesn't matter who you had it's looking pretty bad. Outside of the qb's who surprising all turned out well.

only he was brought in to be base edge defender and thrown in as a passing rushing DT next to buck. I agree there wasn't a slam dunk pick unlike people are now assuming (we should have drafted Mahomes/Watson/Latt blah blah blah).

anyway it's in the past gotta make it work...time to focus on getting that top pick!

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
I'll play devils advocate to your devils advocate: who's fault is it that they dont have a passing threat? Watson and Mahomes both on the board at 4. This is exactly what everyone was saying; it's a bad idea to take a RB #4, no matter how generational, especially if there are other major holes in your roster.

That hurts if you're a Jaguar fan. No doubt about it. We were waiting for Cousins/ landed Jimmy. Qb argument doesn't apply. We drafted Solly filling in the enormous hole we had for a 3rd dt.

If we took LF he's basically Alfred Morris. It's a coin flip between who'd be more worthless him or Solly.

RB is the easiest position to transition from college to NFL. Let's not forget the "NFL is slower than I thought" comments from him last year.

At least Thomas has some excuses. What's Fournette's? He's getting outplayed by TJ Yeldon.

Generational talent...

Thomas has definitely been far from what I expected and it sucks but it was obvious Fournette was not the right move for us. Breida and the other guys just put a stamp on that.

Originally posted by genus49:

RB is the easiest position to transition from college to NFL. Let's not forget the "NFL is slower than I thought" comments from him last year.

At least Thomas has some excuses. What's Fournette's? He's getting outplayed by TJ Yeldon.

Generational talent...

Thomas has definitely been far from what I expected and it sucks but it was obvious Fournette was not the right move for us. Breida and the other guys just put a stamp on that.

Dude was not outplayed by Yeldon. Get out of here with that. Limited carries from TJ. LF had 1300 combined yards when healthy.

Considering I said he'd be upgrade to Alfred Morris you can clearly see I'm acknowledging how irrelevant his role here would be for us. Like I said I liked him as a prospect not as our pick.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Dude was not outplayed by Yeldon. Get out of here with that. Limited carries from TJ. LF had 1300 combined yards when healthy.

Considering I said he'd be upgrade to Alfred Morris you can clearly see I'm acknowledging how irrelevant his role here would be for us. Like I said I liked him as a prospect not as our pick.

You could argue taking 5 other RBs from that draft over Fournette and none would have cost the 4th overall pick.

It's just funny you go to the Solomon Thomas thread and you have the same dudes proclaiming him a bust and saying they told us, yet go in this thread and this was the guy they were pumping up. Not a peep about that from them.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

You could argue taking 5 other RBs from that draft over Fournette and none would have cost the 4th overall pick.

It's just funny you go to the Solomon Thomas thread and you have the same dudes proclaiming him a bust and saying they told us, yet go in this thread and this was the guy they were pumping up. Not a peep about that from them.

Ditto for Solly and whatever mess we envisioned him as. You wouldn't take TJ Watt over him?

Originally posted by NYniner85:
You could argue taking 5 other RBs from that draft over Fournette and none would have cost the 4th overall pick.

It's just funny you go to the Solomon Thomas thread and you have the same dudes proclaiming him a bust and saying they told us, yet go in this thread and this was the guy they were pumping up. Not a peep about that from them.

This just shows how desperate the Solly homers have become to move focus away from the biggest 49er bust of all time

Fournette was a pro bowl alternative as a rookie, this season he's had an injury obviously but I guess that excuse only works for the 49ers

Originally posted by tjd808185:
Dude was not outplayed by Yeldon. Get out of here with that. Limited carries from TJ. LF had 1300 combined yards when healthy.

Considering I said he'd be upgrade to Alfred Morris you can clearly see I'm acknowledging how irrelevant his role here would be for us. Like I said I liked him as a prospect not as our pick.

These are the same guys that thought a tweener DE was worth a #3 overall pick

Sad they have to put Fournette down because Thomas is such a bum.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by genus49:
RB is the easiest position to transition from college to NFL. Let's not forget the "NFL is slower than I thought" comments from him last year.

At least Thomas has some excuses. What's Fournette's? He's getting outplayed by TJ Yeldon.

Generational talent...

Thomas has definitely been far from what I expected and it sucks but it was obvious Fournette was not the right move for us. Breida and the other guys just put a stamp on that.

Dude was not outplayed by Yeldon. Get out of here with that. Limited carries from TJ. LF had 1300 combined yards when healthy.

Considering I said he'd be upgrade to Alfred Morris you can clearly see I'm acknowledging how irrelevant his role here would be for us. Like I said I liked him as a prospect not as our pick.

Get out of here with what? Limited carries from TJ vs limited carries to Fournette...TJ has a higher YPC, makes a bigger impact in the running game. What's wrong with saying he outplayed him?

I don't care what he did as a rookie. As a running back there isn't any growing pains McAffrey, Hunt, Kamara all kept playing well or even improved as 2nd year players.

Jags improved their OL and Fournette is averaging .6 ypc less than Yeldon.

And last year he still averaged less than 4 ypc. If you're getting that type of production from a top 5 pick that's pretty rough.

Originally posted by GMniner805:

Originally posted by tjd808185:
Dude was not outplayed by Yeldon. Get out of here with that. Limited carries from TJ. LF had 1300 combined yards when healthy.

Considering I said he'd be upgrade to Alfred Morris you can clearly see I'm acknowledging how irrelevant his role here would be for us. Like I said I liked him as a prospect not as our pick.

These are the same guys that thought a tweener DE was worth a #3 overall pick

Sad they have to put Fournette down because Thomas is such a bum.

This has nothing to do with Thomas. Grow up.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

And their winning last year wasn't because of Fournette. He was over drafted.

I do concede I had him as a Jamal Lewis and he wasn't that year 1 or 2.

He wasn't my pick though I just liked him as a prospect.

I like the idea of a Fournette in terms of a throwback type of team with tough defense and running. But yea, not at 4 overall.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by GMniner805:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Dude was not outplayed by Yeldon. Get out of here with that. Limited carries from TJ. LF had 1300 combined yards when healthy.

Considering I said he'd be upgrade to Alfred Morris you can clearly see I'm acknowledging how irrelevant his role here would be for us. Like I said I liked him as a prospect not as our pick.

These are the same guys that thought a tweener DE was worth a #3 overall pick

Sad they have to put Fournette down because Thomas is such a bum.

This has nothing to do with Thomas. Grow up.

Absolutely doesn't. Two independent events.