RB Leonard Fournette

Originally posted by GMniner805:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
You could argue taking 5 other RBs from that draft over Fournette and none would have cost the 4th overall pick.

It's just funny you go to the Solomon Thomas thread and you have the same dudes proclaiming him a bust and saying they told us, yet go in this thread and this was the guy they were pumping up. Not a peep about that from them.

This just shows how desperate the Solly homers have become to move focus away from the biggest 49er bust of all time

Fournette was a pro bowl alternative as a rookie, this season he's had an injury obviously but I guess that excuse only works for the 49ers

And once again you miss the WHOLE point of a comment....deflects the convo to push buttons about something else. super typical of you. doesn't that get old and stale man?

a RB who avg under 4 ypc last yr makes it as a pro-bowl alternative now Fournette has injuries in college, last yr, and this yr yet he was totally a can't miss product lol. I thought if you were big and strong you didn't get injured? So you get to use the injury as the reason he didn't do much of anything?

Originally posted by genus49:
This has nothing to do with Thomas. Grow up.

there's a word for guys that do what he does constantly in social media settings....

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by GMniner805:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

You could argue taking 5 other RBs from that draft over Fournette and none would have cost the 4th overall pick.

It's just funny you go to the Solomon Thomas thread and you have the same dudes proclaiming him a bust and saying they told us, yet go in this thread and this was the guy they were pumping up. Not a peep about that from them.

This just shows how desperate the Solly homers have become to move focus away from the biggest 49er bust of all time

Fournette was a pro bowl alternative as a rookie, this season he's had an injury obviously but I guess that excuse only works for the 49ers

And once again you miss the WHOLE point of a comment....deflects the convo to push buttons about something else. super typical of you. doesn't that get old and stale man?

a RB who avg under 4 ypc last yr makes it as a pro-bowl alternative now Fournette has injuries in college, last yr, and this yr yet he was totally a can't miss product lol. I thought if you were big and strong you didn't get injured?

Again I'm on record on saying we should have drafted Hooker. While not the player Adams is... he's much more valuable because we will continue to use resources finding someone with the speed and ball skills he possesses.

To this day it looks like the right pick to me.

Btw I said I would have chosen Mahomes if we went QB over Watson and I stand by that one too.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Again I'm on record on saying we should have drafted Hooker. While not the player Adams is... he's much more valuable because we will continue to use resources finding someone with the speed and ball skills he possesses.

To this day it looks like the right pick to me.

Btw I said I would have chosen Mahomes if we went QB over Watson and I stand by that one too.

For whatever brownie points it's worth, I too was on the Malik Hooker/MahomesQB1 wave as well

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Again I'm on record on saying we should have drafted Hooker. While not the player Adams is... he's much more valuable because we will continue to use resources finding someone with the speed and ball skills he possesses.

To this day it looks like the right pick to me.

Btw I said I would have chosen Mahomes if we went QB over Watson and I stand by that one too.

I liked hooker didn't value S at 3...neither did the NFL with him going as late as he did. Also had some injury concerns. Loved his range and ball skills no doubt. Liked McCaffrey more than LF (just not that high).

What I wanted was to just lose that Rams game lol. Make s**t easy. Myles let's go!

Too me Thomas was a safe pick...zero red flags, stupid athletic ability, loved football you know he was gonna give you 100% zero injuries, regarded as a top 5 pick etc. Ledyard spoke about him on a Niner podcast and said the dude checked off every box.

I didn't think they'd push him outside as much as they have. If I knew that would be the plan, I would have thought differently of it. Regardless it's over and they need to figure out how to develop and use him properly.

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

For whatever brownie points it's worth, I too was on the Malik Hooker/MahomesQB1 wave as well

I had Mitch as my QB1 and I was dead wrong on Mahomes. I knew he had special traits just didn't know if he could figure out NFL defenses and schemes...I don't think he could have came in as a rookie and done what he has this yr. very smart letting him learn behind Smith.

With LF I didn't think he was this generational talent...he's big and fast not really elusive. He had some massive holes in LSU and once he gets going it's hard to tackle him. Barkley and Zeke are on a different level than him and imo he didn't fit what Kyle wants in a RB. Whatever it's over.

Originally posted by genus49:

Get out of here with what? Limited carries from TJ vs limited carries to Fournette...TJ has a higher YPC, makes a bigger impact in the running game. What's wrong with saying he outplayed him?

I don't care what he did as a rookie. As a running back there isn't any growing pains McAffrey, Hunt, Kamara all kept playing well or even improved as 2nd year players.

Jags improved their OL and Fournette is averaging .6 ypc less than Yeldon.

And last year he still averaged less than 4 ypc. If you're getting that type of production from a top 5 pick that's pretty rough.

Yards per game rushing is what you want to look at. TJ hasn't broke 60 yards this season. LF has 2 95 yard outings in an injury plagued 6 game season. So how is he more impactful again? It's not even close who's better. TJ isn't good enough to see more than 15 carries a game even if LF isn't around. That's why they traded for Hyde.

Gettin' in this late...but it's easy to say we/another team should've drafted this guy or that guy. Hindsight's pretty much 20/20. Scouts, GM's, HC's, coords all look at mega hrs of tape on prospects. The Combine usually produces a number of guys who blow the doors off the drills...as history's shown, it doesn't necessarily translate to NFL success. Fournette has a definite injury history...and it's been consistent through college and now the NFL. Some guys, like Gore, overcome it. There were plenty of doubters when Nolan drafted him...yet, he's going to be a 1st ballot HOFer. Some also bloom later rather than their 1st year or two...Henry's a case in point. He had a game last night many RB's would dream of...and he appears to be coming into his own. Let's face it...the draft is a huge crapshoot. No matter how many hrs of tape there are, how well they do in workouts, etc. you really never know 'til they get on the playing field. Even then, injuries can slow or derail a player's development. You just never know.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

And once again you miss the WHOLE point of a comment....deflects the convo to push buttons about something else. super typical of you. doesn't that get old and stale man?

a RB who avg under 4 ypc last yr makes it as a pro-bowl alternative now Fournette has injuries in college, last yr, and this yr yet he was totally a can't miss product lol. I thought if you were big and strong you didn't get injured? So you get to use the injury as the reason he didn't do much of anything?

Nobody said that, you created that strawman arguement trying to defend fragile Pettis and Mckinnon

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Yards per game rushing is what you want to look at. TJ hasn't broke 60 yards this season. LF has 2 95 yard outings in an injury plagued 6 game season. So how is he more impactful again? It's not even close who's better. TJ isn't good enough to see more than 15 carries a game even if LF isn't around. That's why they traded for Hyde.

This guys talent eval isnt exactly spot on

Originally posted by GMniner805:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Yards per game rushing is what you want to look at. TJ hasn't broke 60 yards this season. LF has 2 95 yard outings in an injury plagued 6 game season. So how is he more impactful again? It's not even close who's better. TJ isn't good enough to see more than 15 carries a game even if LF isn't around. That's why they traded for Hyde.

This guys talent eval isnt exactly spot on

Do you want my phone number?

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Yards per game rushing is what you want to look at. TJ hasn't broke 60 yards this season. LF has 2 95 yard outings in an injury plagued 6 game season. So how is he more impactful again? It's not even close who's better. TJ isn't good enough to see more than 15 carries a game even if LF isn't around. That's why they traded for Hyde.

Yards per game rushing is a stupid stat. When one guy is being force fed and the other guy isn't that's not saying one is playing better than the other.

And it's not a talent situation. Andrew Luck was way more talented than Matt Hasselbeck but Hass outplayed him a few years ago.

Less talented players can play better than more talented counter parts. Yeldon has been playing better than Fournette this year. Not just running the ball but as a receiver. Last I checked it's part of the game.

Fournette thought he arrived as a rookie even though he was being force fed the ball for the most part. I'm not saying the kid isn't talented but he's nowhere near the "generational" back. Which was the point a lot of us were making last year. Especially with Barkley coming out the year after.

I know you love to argue with people for the sake of it but sorry Yeldon has been the better RB for the Jags this year. And Fournette sure as hell wasnt worth the pick.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

That hurts if you're a Jaguar fan. No doubt about it. We were waiting for Cousins/ landed Jimmy. Qb argument doesn't apply. We drafted Solly filling in the enormous hole we had for a 3rd dt.

If we took LF he's basically Alfred Morris. It's a coin flip between who'd be more worthless him or Solly.

Imagine passing on Mahomes or Watson because you have Bortles. Ouch

Originally posted by GMniner805:

Nobody said that, you created that strawman arguement trying to defend fragile Pettis and Mckinnon

You're the one that said Pettis would be a injury liability because of size (dude never missed a game in college)...so yeah you did say that. No need to make stuff up.

Originally posted by genus49:

Yards per game rushing is a stupid stat. When one guy is being force fed and the other guy isn't that's not saying one is playing better than the other.

And it's not a talent situation. Andrew Luck was way more talented than Matt Hasselbeck but Hass outplayed him a few years ago.

Less talented players can play better than more talented counter parts. Yeldon has been playing better than Fournette this year. Not just running the ball but as a receiver. Last I checked it's part of the game.

Fournette thought he arrived as a rookie even though he was being force fed the ball for the most part. I'm not saying the kid isn't talented but he's nowhere near the "generational" back. Which was the point a lot of us were making last year. Especially with Barkley coming out the year after.

I know you love to argue with people for the sake of it but sorry Yeldon has been the better RB for the Jags this year. And Fournette sure as hell wasnt worth the pick.

How many rushing yards a game you get is a stupid stat. Really? Take that up with their coach because that's what he's saying. You can't call someone with half the work load, half the production per game more impactful.