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QB Carson Wentz NDSU 6'5 225 Lbs

Dec 4, 2015 at 6:18 PM
Originally posted by JDMathews49ers:
Originally posted by Cooper22:
Originally posted by JDMathews49ers:
If we're drafting in the top 10, I don't see a need to trade out unless we miss out on Tunsil (yea I loooooove this guy), Bosa, Nkedmice, or Stanley. Heck I'll be good with Jaylon Smith if he's there. We'll still be in position to draft Wentz in the second and if needed, Trent could trade back into the late first and grab Wentz. I doubt that'll be needed. I like Buckner as well, but really feel he's more of a 4-3 DE. I can not watch us screw up another 4-3 DE draft pick.

If anything, Bosa would be the one who is only a real fit in a 4-3 scheme. Probably best player in the draft, but don't see where he fits in our defense

Now Bosa to me is a true OLB in a 3-4.

If we could get Bosa why not switch to tha 4-3 ??? Easier to draft 4-3 guys anywayz...
Dec 5, 2015 at 10:21 AM
For those who have been following, what prevents Wentz from receiving a first round grade and what is the drop off between him and the first round QB prospects?
Dec 5, 2015 at 11:57 AM
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
For those who have been following, what prevents Wentz from receiving a first round grade and what is the drop off between him and the first round QB prospects?

Level of competition mostly. That, and his injury this year just as he was starting to get attention. If he can prove himself in the senior bowl and in workouts I'm sure he'll move into the first. He has all the tools you look for in a QB. I rank the QBs Lynch, Goff, Wentz, Cook.
Dec 5, 2015 at 1:50 PM
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
For those who have been following, what prevents Wentz from receiving a first round grade and what is the drop off between him and the first round QB prospects?

Level of competition, lack of polish, plays in a bit of a gimmick system although it is an offense that has him lining up behind center pretty often and making all the throws. The biggest is level of competition.
Dec 5, 2015 at 3:14 PM
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
For those who have been following, what prevents Wentz from receiving a first round grade and what is the drop off between him and the first round QB prospects?

Level of competition, lack of polish, plays in a bit of a gimmick system although it is an offense that has him lining up behind center pretty often and making all the throws. The biggest is level of competition.

In getting specific with the lack of polish, I think he doesn't feel and slide from pressure consitently in the pocket. Gabbert and Kap both struggled at that, but Gabbert appears to heve improved notably in this regard. Goff does it pretty well, but he doesn't have the impressive physical stature that Wentz has. It's fair to say that Goff's ability to negotiate a dirty pocket is a big factor in him being rated ahead of Wentz for now.
Dec 5, 2015 at 3:40 PM
I don't get the love for Wentz and Cook over Christian Hackenberg. The two seniors are close to 23 while Chris is still 20. I don't think either of them had even made a start when they were 20. Hackenberg is a three year starter against better competition already. He has all the tools of the others ++. Reminds me a lot of Gabbert coming out. Smart money says take the raw potential in round two and give him time to develop behind Gabbert.
Dec 5, 2015 at 5:04 PM
Originally posted by GreatGabbert:
I don't get the love for Wentz and Cook over Christian Hackenberg. The two seniors are close to 23 while Chris is still 20. I don't think either of them had even made a start when they were 20. Hackenberg is a three year starter against better competition already. He has all the tools of the others ++. Reminds me a lot of Gabbert coming out. Smart money says take the raw potential in round two and give him time to develop behind Gabbert.

What would you say are Hackenberg's strengths and weaknesses? How would you evaluate the importance and correctability of his weaknesses, relative to the other two players?
Dec 5, 2015 at 5:07 PM
Originally posted by WRATHman44:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
For those who have been following, what prevents Wentz from receiving a first round grade and what is the drop off between him and the first round QB prospects?

Level of competition, lack of polish, plays in a bit of a gimmick system although it is an offense that has him lining up behind center pretty often and making all the throws. The biggest is level of competition.

In getting specific with the lack of polish, I think he doesn't feel and slide from pressure consitently in the pocket. Gabbert and Kap both struggled at that, but Gabbert appears to heve improved notably in this regard. Goff does it pretty well, but he doesn't have the impressive physical stature that Wentz has. It's fair to say that Goff's ability to negotiate a dirty pocket is a big factor in him being rated ahead of Wentz for now.

This is the only thing that would concern me from what I am seeing. Joe Flacco didn't go up against the greatest competition and he's done alright. The good news is that this can be learned and he won't be tasked with having to do so right out of the gate if we were to take him.
Dec 5, 2015 at 5:23 PM
I forgot to say that he also tends to wait for guys to be open when he throws, and he stares down his primary a little too frequently for me. Would love to see him work harder to hold the saftey with his eyes and throw with anticipation more frequently. Again, it's all stuff that can be learned, but that's also why I don't think he should be a 1st round guy (I think he will be though, since this is a poor class and next year's is looking like hot garbage).
Dec 5, 2015 at 6:00 PM
Originally posted by GreatGabbert:
I don't get the love for Wentz and Cook over Christian Hackenberg. The two seniors are close to 23 while Chris is still 20. I don't think either of them had even made a start when they were 20. Hackenberg is a three year starter against better competition already. He has all the tools of the others ++. Reminds me a lot of Gabbert coming out. Smart money says take the raw potential in round two and give him time to develop behind Gabbert.


Name me one QB in the past 15 years that completed less than 55% of their passes in their final college season and went on to be a good NFL starter.

Hackenberg is Kyle Boller 2.0 Dude can throw it a mile but cant hit the broadside of a barn with the football.
Dec 5, 2015 at 6:18 PM
Matt Stafford was under 60% most of his college career I believe. With much better support around him than Hackenberg has had. Hackenberg is in the Stafford/Gabbert mold. Toolsy guy with a big arm who need refinement. I don't think the 9ers need an instant starter. They have two of the better young QBs in the league on their roster already. At least one of them will be there next season and probably for a few more.
Dec 5, 2015 at 6:24 PM
Originally posted by GreatGabbert:
Matt Stafford was under 60% most of his college career I believe. With much better support around him than Hackenberg has had. Hackenberg is in the Stafford/Gabbert mold. Toolsy guy with a big arm who need refinement. I don't think the 9ers need an instant starter. They have two of the better young QBs in the league on their roster already. At least one of them will be there next season and probably for a few more.


Matt Staffords last year in college he was over 60% while playing in a pro style offense in the SEC.
Dec 5, 2015 at 6:42 PM
Stafford was throwing to Massaquoi, Moreno, and A.J. Green his last season in college. My aunt could get 61% comp rate in that situation.
Dec 5, 2015 at 6:44 PM
Originally posted by GreatGabbert:
Stafford was throwing to Massaquoi, Moreno, and A.J. Green his last season in college. My aunt could get 61% comp rate in that situation.

suit her up.
Dec 5, 2015 at 6:45 PM
Originally posted by GreatGabbert:
Stafford was throwing to Massaquoi, Moreno, and A.J. Green his last season in college. My aunt could get 61% comp rate in that situation.

Once again.......there has not been a QB in the past 15 years who has thrown for such a low completion percentage in their final year and had any type of success in the NFL.

Hackenberg won't be the exception, he's Kyle Boller all over again, a guy with a massive arm and crap accuracy. You can only develop a QB so much and if they are still struggling that badly with their accuracy in their third year in college, they probably aren't going to do all too well in the NFL.
[ Edited by Phoenix49ers on Dec 5, 2015 at 6:58 PM ]
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