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Originally posted by saniner:
Although I've wanted Buckner for a while now, if Chip thinks he can turn Wentz/Goff/Lynch into a top QB then that has to be the pick
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:I think Goff playing in Kelly's offense could be pretty special. A super bright, accurate passing young QB that lives and breathes football being coached by an offensive genius and total football junkie......could be a lot of fun.
During his annual conference call with reporters Tuesday, Mike Mayock raved about North Dakota State's Carson Wentz, comparing him favorably to Colts quarterback and former No. 1 overall pick Andrew Luck.
"When I look at him, I see a kid that's as athletic or more athletic than Andrew Luck," Mayock said, via Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer. "He's bigger than Andrew Luck. He's got arm strength comparable to Andrew Luck. He just doesn't have the experience that Andrew Luck had at a high level that Andrew had coming out of college. So I see a ceiling for this kid similar to Andrew Luck. That's why I believe in this kid so much. But it's going to take a little bit of time."
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:Oh no he dinnnnnnnt.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/02/23/mike-mayock-thinks-carson-wentz-compares-to-andrew-luck/
During his annual conference call with reporters Tuesday, Mike Mayock raved about North Dakota State's Carson Wentz, comparing him favorably to Colts quarterback and former No. 1 overall pick Andrew Luck.
"When I look at him, I see a kid that's as athletic or more athletic than Andrew Luck," Mayock said, via Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer. "He's bigger than Andrew Luck. He's got arm strength comparable to Andrew Luck. He just doesn't have the experience that Andrew Luck had at a high level that Andrew had coming out of college. So I see a ceiling for this kid similar to Andrew Luck. That's why I believe in this kid so much. But it's going to take a little bit of time."
Originally posted by Jcool:
Originally posted by Jcool:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Pretty sure this guy was hyping up Johnny Manziel just a few years ago.
Originally posted by Jcool:
What does that have to do with anything?
Wentz is a fifth-year senior and two-year starter for the Bison. While he didn't start as a redshirt sophomore, he played in 11 games.
Wentz is listed as being 6'6″ – 231 and while he may not be quite that tall when he measures at an All Star game or the Combine he still is taller than most quarterbacks playing in the NFL right now.
Despite his size, Wentz is a very good athlete with good speed, change of direction and body control. You may think that a quarterback the size of Wentz is stationary in the pocket. That is the furthest from the truth as he is a very good runner and does an excellent job keeping plays alive with his feet. When he does run he looks to finish and not slide when there is no more yardage available. He is a relentless competitor.
Wentz plays in a multi-offense and lines up both from under center and in the spread. The passing game has some sophistication to it and it requires the quarterback to go through a progression and has some whole field reads.
Unlike many of the college spread offenses we see, the North Dakota State offense doesn't have the quarterback make a high number of short throws at or around the line of scrimmage. This offense has the quarterback throwing the ball downfield. It is far more similar to a pro offense than many of the spreads we see quarterbacks running.
As a passer, Wentz shows he can set up quickly, go through a progression and get the ball out of his hands quickly. He has a very quick release and a strong arm. For the most part, he throws a tight ball with very good velocity. He is accurate and shows good ball placement skills. He seldom turns the ball over, and in four games this year, he has yet to throw an interception.
He is required to make a variety of throws and shows he can make any NFL type throw. He has good timing with his throw and shows he can throw with touch or drive the ball if necessary. He can easily make throws of 50+ yards with accuracy.
Wentz is a quick thinker and processes things quickly. He is a very good decision maker and you don't see him force throws. He also has a good feel for pass rushers and has the quick feet to avoid a pass rusher and extend the play. He does an excellent job throwing on the run with accuracy.
Looking at his stats, in his 1.5 years as a starter, he has thrown for close to 4100 yards, 65% completion percentage, 35 touchdowns and 10 interceptions. He has also rushed for over 800 yards the last two seasons.
While generally level of competition is a concern when evaluating quarterbacks, I don't see any problems with this player. He has played well against FBS schools and won a FCS National Championship last year. He consistently shows poise and leadership and is in total command on the field.
While there will be a learning curve when he gets to the NFL, I can still see him becoming a starter very early in his career. The upside is he will develop into a quality starter. He has more talent than Jimmy Garoppolo from the 2014 draft and should get drafted higher. From what I have seen to date, I would have no problem pulling the trigger on this player in the first round.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Here is Greg Gabriel's analysis of Wentz. It is interesting how two different people can have such vastly different takes on a player.
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/breaking-down-north-dakota-state-qb-carson-wentz/
Wentz is a fifth-year senior and two-year starter for the Bison. While he didn't start as a redshirt sophomore, he played in 11 games.
Wentz is listed as being 6'6″ – 231 and while he may not be quite that tall when he measures at an All Star game or the Combine he still is taller than most quarterbacks playing in the NFL right now.
Despite his size, Wentz is a very good athlete with good speed, change of direction and body control. You may think that a quarterback the size of Wentz is stationary in the pocket. That is the furthest from the truth as he is a very good runner and does an excellent job keeping plays alive with his feet. When he does run he looks to finish and not slide when there is no more yardage available. He is a relentless competitor.
Wentz plays in a multi-offense and lines up both from under center and in the spread. The passing game has some sophistication to it and it requires the quarterback to go through a progression and has some whole field reads.
Unlike many of the college spread offenses we see, the North Dakota State offense doesn't have the quarterback make a high number of short throws at or around the line of scrimmage. This offense has the quarterback throwing the ball downfield. It is far more similar to a pro offense than many of the spreads we see quarterbacks running.
As a passer, Wentz shows he can set up quickly, go through a progression and get the ball out of his hands quickly. He has a very quick release and a strong arm. For the most part, he throws a tight ball with very good velocity. He is accurate and shows good ball placement skills. He seldom turns the ball over, and in four games this year, he has yet to throw an interception.
He is required to make a variety of throws and shows he can make any NFL type throw. He has good timing with his throw and shows he can throw with touch or drive the ball if necessary. He can easily make throws of 50+ yards with accuracy.
Wentz is a quick thinker and processes things quickly. He is a very good decision maker and you don't see him force throws. He also has a good feel for pass rushers and has the quick feet to avoid a pass rusher and extend the play. He does an excellent job throwing on the run with accuracy.
Looking at his stats, in his 1.5 years as a starter, he has thrown for close to 4100 yards, 65% completion percentage, 35 touchdowns and 10 interceptions. He has also rushed for over 800 yards the last two seasons.
While generally level of competition is a concern when evaluating quarterbacks, I don't see any problems with this player. He has played well against FBS schools and won a FCS National Championship last year. He consistently shows poise and leadership and is in total command on the field.
While there will be a learning curve when he gets to the NFL, I can still see him becoming a starter very early in his career. The upside is he will develop into a quality starter. He has more talent than Jimmy Garoppolo from the 2014 draft and should get drafted higher. From what I have seen to date, I would have no problem pulling the trigger on this player in the first round.
Originally posted by Jcool:
Not sure why you listen to Greg Gabriel. There is a reason he is out of the NFL. He also says A LOT of dumb stuff such as this: