QB Carson Wentz NDSU 6'5 225 Lbs

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by GreatGabbert:
Stafford was throwing to Massaquoi, Moreno, and A.J. Green his last season in college. My aunt could get 61% comp rate in that situation.

Once again.......there has not been a QB in the past 15 years who has thrown for such a low completion percentage in their final year and had any type of success in the NFL.

Hackenberg won't be the exception, he's Kyle Boller all over again, a guy with a massive arm and crap accuracy. You can only develop a QB so much and if they are still struggling that badly with their accuracy in their third year in college, the odds are that they won't be an exception.

Why are we splitting hairs over Stafford, anyway? It's not like he's no doubt franchise guy. Dude was on his way to the scrap heap earlier in the season.

Well, I'm not suggesting the team spends first overall pick of the draft on Hackenberg, or even the 19th overall pick that was spent on Boller. But something in the late 30s or 40s would be reasonable. Similar to what the Broncos did with Brock Osweiler a few years back. Or even what the 9ers did with Kaepernick in 2011. I think Kap's college career rate was under 60% and he was there for 5 years. But he still seems like a decent pick in round 2. Ponder and Locker drafted ahead of him were certainly worse.

Originally posted by GreatGabbert:
Well, I'm not suggesting the team spends first overall pick of the draft on Hackenberg, or even the 19th overall pick that was spent on Boller. But something in the late 30s or 40s would be reasonable. Similar to what the Broncos did with Brock Osweiler a few years back. Or even what the 9ers did with Kaepernick in 2011. I think Kap's college career rate was under 60% and he was there for 5 years.

But why.......why drop an early draft pick on a QB who by all historical standards is highly likely to not amount to anything in the NFL. I would happily take Cook or Wentz over Hackenberg, a guy who looks like he'll be an inconsistent at best quarterback in the NFL.


If it comes down to Hackenberg or just passing up on the position completely, then I'd say go with a veteran backup and draft someone that will be able to help this team out on the field sooner rather than later.

I just think that what Hackenberg has accomplished in a very tough situation at Penn State, at such a young age is extremely impressive. Plus he was a 5 star recruit. You don't find that combination of physical makeup and mental toughness too often.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by GreatGabbert:
Well, I'm not suggesting the team spends first overall pick of the draft on Hackenberg, or even the 19th overall pick that was spent on Boller. But something in the late 30s or 40s would be reasonable. Similar to what the Broncos did with Brock Osweiler a few years back. Or even what the 9ers did with Kaepernick in 2011. I think Kap's college career rate was under 60% and he was there for 5 years.

But why.......why drop an early draft pick on a QB who by all historical standards is highly likely to not amount to anything in the NFL. I would happily take Cook or Wentz over Hackenberg, a guy who looks like he'll be an inconsistent at best quarterback in the NFL.


If it comes down to Hackenberg or just passing up on the position completely, then I'd say go with a veteran backup and draft someone that will be able to help this team out on the field sooner rather than later.

To be fair, gabbert was praised for having a live arm coming out, and he struggled with accuracy in JAX and last year in SF. 1st thing Logan made him do when they got together here was "throw at 75%." Gabbert said the ball didn't really lose much velocity, but his motion was much smoother, and his accuracy increased significantly. Maybe that's what Hackenberg needs to do? Maybe he just sucks. IDK. I haven't really studied him or Cook much on the field, since I don't care to watch a QB with widely reported accuracy issues or one with less than impressive reviews regarding his leadership.

Originally posted by WRATHman44:
To be fair, gabbert was praised for having a live arm coming out, and he struggled with accuracy in JAX and last year in SF. 1st thing Logan made him do when they got together here was "throw at 75%." Gabbert said the ball didn't really lose much velocity, but his motion was much smoother, and his accuracy increased significantly. Maybe that's what Hackenberg needs to do? Maybe he just sucks. IDK. I haven't really studied him or Cook much on the field, since I don't care to watch a QB with widely reported accuracy issues or one with less than impressive reviews regarding his leadership.

Well Gabbert wasn't even a good college QB and was drafted #10 for the same reasons Hackenberg is talked about as the #3 QB in this draft. And while Gabbert has played better then ever this year its still no more then what a good backup should do, which is more then what most thought he could do, but still not what was expected of him going #10.

Here's a good take on Hackenberg http://republicanherald.com/sports/5-questions-should-christian-hackenberg-return-to-penn-state-for-one-more-season-1.1979438 Pretty much what I've been trying to say about him. He has all the qualities you can't teach or coach, physically, mentally, and emotionally. No other QB in this class has the same base line.

Originally posted by Jcool:
Well Gabbert wasn't even a good college QB and was drafted #10 for the same reasons Hackenberg is talked about as the #3 QB in this draft. And while Gabbert has played better then ever this year its still no more then what a good backup should do, which is more then what most thought he could do, but still not what was expected of him going #10.

I looked back at the drafts over the past 10 years, and there have been 20 odd QBs taken 10th or higher in the draft. A handful of them aren't even in the league now. Another handful aren't starting. NONE of them has a better passer rating or completion percentage than Gabbert does this year. What do you expect? The guy just turned 26, and his passer rating with the 9ers is in the mid 90s. His PR/Comp% in Jacksonville his two seasons as a starter were about the same as Bortles first two seasons up to the 10th game of the year when Blaine got shut down in 2012. He won the same amount of games as Bortles who was taken 3rd overall, came in a year older to a much better team, and is paid twice as much as Gabbert was.

I believe there is a chance Carson is playing this week. He practiced all last week, but didn't dress. Game is on ESPN2 8PM Friday. I've watched most of his games, I live in ND, and he can make all the throws, IMO. He also seems as clutch as they come. He had to make 2 come from behind drives late in the 4th quarter during the playoffs last year.

Originally posted by GreatGabbert:
I just think that what Hackenberg has accomplished in a very tough situation at Penn State, at such a young age is extremely impressive. Plus he was a 5 star recruit. You don't find that combination of physical makeup and mental toughness too often.

So were Brady Quinn, Kevin Kolb, Dennis Dixon, Garrett Gilbert, Jimmy Clausen, Terrell Pryor, Tim Tebow and Ryan Mallett.....so what


Sometimes a good college player is....just a college player. Hackenberg is a pretty average QB even for college.

lol the guy that thinks tebow woulda been a great qb given more time likes hackenberg, what a shocker. Guy is a scrub. I want no part of him or cook, would be pissed if the miners draft either of those 2

Right now I think you have to look hard at Lynch, Goff, and Wentz. I like those three as potential starters in the NFL. Wentz could end up having a great offseason and moving into the first round. I wouldn't be surprised if it happened at all. One of those three needs to be a 49er next year.

Originally posted by saniner:
Right now I think you have to look hard at Lynch, Goff, and Wentz. I like those three as potential starters in the NFL. Wentz could end up having a great offseason and moving into the first round. I wouldn't be surprised if it happened at all. One of those three needs to be a 49er next year.

I expect it to happen, so much gushing over his game tape right now. He'd be a guy to move up for.

NFL Media analyst Lance Zierlein has placed a first-round draft grade on the North Dakota State quarterback, who could be the most intriguing pick of the 2016 NFL Draft. Zierlein has studied film of each Wentz throw from the 2014 and '15 seasons.

"He checks a lot of boxes. He plays in a pro-style passing attack that allows him to read the entire field," Zierlein said. "He has great size, a good enough arm, and is very courageous in the pocket. He has fantastic touch and accuracy down the field. You have to project him a little because he's an FCS guy, and there are still signs that he has work to do with his decision-making.

"He probably needs to sit and learn for a year or two. I think if you take a guy inside the top six (or) eight picks, you're pressured to play him right away. Later in the (first round), those are better teams making those picks that don't have that kind of pressure."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000599411/article/zierlein-north-dakota-state-qb-wentz-deserves-firstround-grade

"I love his talent" - Mel Kiper Jr. on Carson Wentz... This couldn't happen to a better person!

Gil Brandt Verified account ‏@Gil_Brandt Write this name down: Carson Wentz, QB, North Dakota St. This player has tremendous upside, will get draft interest, will be at @SeniorBowl.

Originally posted by GreatGabbert:
Well, I'm not suggesting the team spends first overall pick of the draft on Hackenberg, or even the 19th overall pick that was spent on Boller. But something in the late 30s or 40s would be reasonable. Similar to what the Broncos did with Brock Osweiler a few years back. Or even what the 9ers did with Kaepernick in 2011. I think Kap's college career rate was under 60% and he was there for 5 years. But he still seems like a decent pick in round 2. Ponder and Locker drafted ahead of him were certainly worse.

If you are talking about a 2nd rounder, that ship had already sailed 2 years ago and his name was Jimmy Garoppolo which was why I was so pis*ed with Baalke. In the first place, he should have foreseen Kap's problems which I did as early as 2013 and not only did he do nothing in the 2014 draft, he gave Kap the huge contract and still didn't draft a QB this year. That's Baalke for you!

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by saniner:
Right now I think you have to look hard at Lynch, Goff, and Wentz. I like those three as potential starters in the NFL. Wentz could end up having a great offseason and moving into the first round. I wouldn't be surprised if it happened at all. One of those three needs to be a 49er next year.

I expect it to happen, so much gushing over his game tape right now. He'd be a guy to move up for.

NFL Media analyst Lance Zierlein has placed a first-round draft grade on the North Dakota State quarterback, who could be the most intriguing pick of the 2016 NFL Draft. Zierlein has studied film of each Wentz throw from the 2014 and '15 seasons.

"He checks a lot of boxes. He plays in a pro-style passing attack that allows him to read the entire field," Zierlein said. "He has great size, a good enough arm, and is very courageous in the pocket. He has fantastic touch and accuracy down the field. You have to project him a little because he's an FCS guy, and there are still signs that he has work to do with his decision-making.

"He probably needs to sit and learn for a year or two. I think if you take a guy inside the top six (or) eight picks, you're pressured to play him right away. Later in the (first round), those are better teams making those picks that don't have that kind of pressure."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000599411/article/zierlein-north-dakota-state-qb-wentz-deserves-firstround-grade

"I love his talent" - Mel Kiper Jr. on Carson Wentz... This couldn't happen to a better person!

Gil Brandt Verified account ‏@Gil_Brandt Write this name down: Carson Wentz, QB, North Dakota St. This player has tremendous upside, will get draft interest, will be at @SeniorBowl.

Well, if the Browns take Goff, we might well be forced to reach for Wentz as I am not a fan of Lynch.