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QB Carson Wentz NDSU 6'5 225 Lbs

Originally posted by Sims19849ers:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
You never want to help a division foe strengthen a major area of weakness. You can say "well maybe he won't work out?"


To which I say,"what if he does?" If that happens, the 49ers stand to lose far more than they gain which is why a trade down in such a scenario would never happen.

If it's Goff, take him, he is more pro ready. Wentz needs more time to develop and would not factor into anything significantly for LA until 2018-2019. By then, we would have the defense to combat them...in theory of course. In fact, them adding two more studs in the 2nd plus whoever they get at 15 could do just as much damage than a developmental QB, IMO. If it was moving up for a guy like Luck or Newton, it would be different but he is not NFL ready

That sounds like a much better reason to give them Goff than Wentz. Wentz has more long term potential, but it could take a couple years for him to become a pretty big factor. The 49ers won't be good for a couple years. Why would we want the Rams to get better at the same time we're getting better? I'd rather see them draft a guy who can play early, but offers limited potential (think Connor Cook) so we don't have to worry about them being a dominant player in the NFC West for a decade with an elite QB, RB, and defense. I don't care about giving the Rams an NFL ready starter because the 49ers aren't going anywhere anytime soon. I just don't want to give them a guy with Wentz's potential.

Wentz would be perfect for the 49ers. We're not going to be good this year and we have 2 decent QB's on the roster, so he would be able to watch and learn on the bench. We can cut/trade Kaepernick next offseason and let Gabbert walk if we can't re-sign him as a backup.
[ Edited by eastcoast49ersfan on Mar 7, 2016 at 5:59 PM ]
Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:
That sounds like a much better reason to give them Goff than Wentz. Wentz has more long term potential, but it could take a couple years for him to become a pretty big factor. The 49ers won't be good for a couple years. Why would we want the Rams to get better at the same time we're getting better? I'd rather see them draft a guy who can play early, but offers limited potential (think Connor Cook) so we don't have to worry about them being a dominant player in the NFC West for a decade with an elite QB, RB, and defense. I don't care about giving the Rams an NFL ready starter because the 49ers aren't going anywhere anytime soon. I just don't want to give them a guy with Wentz's potential.

Wentz would be perfect for the 49ers. We're not going to be good this year and we have 2 decent QB's on the roster, so he would be able to watch and learn on the bench. We can cut/trade Kaepernick next offseason and let Gabbert walk if we can't re-sign him as a backup.

At the end of the day, if we handle OUR business, what other teams do is irrelevant. We should be able to build a dominant defense by 2018. Therefore it doesn't matter what QB we face just like it didn't matter from 2011-2013. Beat Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Rothlisberger, and Newton...it's all about what WE do with our selections and how WE develop those picks and if we can net two more 2nds and pick four players in the top 50 of a great defensive draft, I'd be thrilled
[ Edited by Sims19849ers on Mar 7, 2016 at 6:57 PM ]
Originally posted by Sims19849ers:
At the end of the day, if we handle OUR business, what other teams do is irrelevant. We should be able to build a dominant defense by 2018. .it's all about what WE do with our selections and how WE develop those picks and if we can net two more 2nds and pick four players in the top 50 of a great defensive draft, I'd be thrilled

If they wanted to build a dominant defense, I think they went with the wrong head coach.


Therefore it doesn't matter what QB we face just like it didn't matter from 2011-2013. Beat Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Rothlisberger, and Newton..

If it didn't matter then why do I recall some really good defenses getting worked by Eli and Flacco when it mattered. If it didn't matter, then this team would have at least another SB up in the mantle. I just think you are WAY living in the moment right now with the Broncos SB win, a team that was one KC win away from being a wild card team and one bad Pittsburgh fumble away from losing to an Antonio Brown less Steelers. They beat an injury depleted Patriots team in the AFC Championship that was missing half their OL and the Patriots still had a chance to tie it up at the very end.


Having a great defense is a good thing, having a great team all-around is better. Based on Kelly's history I think that this team is more likely to win with great offense than they are with great defense.


This isn't Harbaugh with a ball control offense and a Fangio make you work for it defense. I think no matter what you'll see this team give up a lot of yards and a lot of points due to the nature of the offense. What will matter most is avoiding three and out on offense and having an aggressive defense that will create some big turnovers along with giving up big plays.
[ Edited by Phoenix49ers on Mar 7, 2016 at 9:03 PM ]
Originally posted by English:
Don't trade down within the division.

depends on what they are willing to give up
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by Sims19849ers:
At the end of the day, if we handle OUR business, what other teams do is irrelevant. We should be able to build a dominant defense by 2018. .it's all about what WE do with our selections and how WE develop those picks and if we can net two more 2nds and pick four players in the top 50 of a great defensive draft, I'd be thrilled

If they wanted to build a dominant defense, I think they went with the wrong head coach.


Therefore it doesn't matter what QB we face just like it didn't matter from 2011-2013. Beat Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Rothlisberger, and Newton..

If it didn't matter then why do I recall some really good defenses getting worked by Eli and Flacco when it mattered. If it didn't matter, then this team would have at least another SB up in the mantle. I just think you are WAY living in the moment right now with the Broncos SB win, a team that was one KC win away from being a wild card team and one bad Pittsburgh fumble away from losing to an Antonio Brown less Steelers. They beat an injury depleted Patriots team in the AFC Championship that was missing half their OL and the Patriots still had a chance to tie it up at the very end.


Having a great defense is a good thing, having a great team all-around is better. Based on Kelly's history I think that this team is more likely to win with great offense than they are with great defense.


This isn't Harbaugh with a ball control offense and a Fangio make you work for it defense. I think no matter what you'll see this team give up a lot of yards and a lot of points due to the nature of the offense. What will matter most is avoiding three and out on offense and having an aggressive defense that will create some big turnovers along with giving up big plays.

You think the Giants beat us in 2011 because of our defense? Eli was damn near killed . We ONLY lost that game because of how bad our offense was in 3rd down and the ST blunders. They had 3.9 yards per play but had 10 points off turnovers. Giants didn't even cross the 50 without our help in the 2nd half! I will give you Flacco but let's be real, that defense sucked the entire playoffs in 2012. Both Smith's were completely ineffective. It happens from time to time, it just sucked it happened in the biggest game of their lives.

Still doesn't take away from the fact that we beat all of the top tier QBs, even beat Brady, Rodgers and Brees in their home!

Chip's defense suffers because they simply can't get off the field on 3rd downs. Give him a young, talented and deep defense and I like our chances. Also keeping Billy Davis far away from any NFL defense will probably be an instant upgrade as well. I'm not saying ignore the offense, I'm saying solidify the Oline and that PLUS Chip is an instant upgrade to anything we have had in over a decade. Obviously if Wentz is there at 7 and we are willing to trade, we don't want him

So I'm saying if the guy we want is not there and we have a chance to trade back and end up with 4 top 50 picks, I couldn't care less who the trade partner is. It's all about US. This league is so competitive, one developmental QB that won't even play a significant factor for a few years doesn't scare me at all. Hell, Chip and his inept defense beat Brady last year and he scares everyone! Focus on us, is all I'm saying. I don't care about anyone else...especially Jeff Fisher
[ Edited by Sims19849ers on Mar 8, 2016 at 6:35 AM ]
Wentz reminds me of Jim Everett , he would be a better fit in a Erdhardt & Perkins style of offense IMO ....Goff would fit in perfectly in Kelly's system
Originally posted by blizzuntz:
Originally posted by English:
Don't trade down within the division.

depends on what they are willing to give up

agreed. If they give up a 1st that is 8 picks after us, plus their two 2nd's to move up and take a guy that we don't even want, it's a no brainer you make that trade and accumulate as much talent on our team as possible. I don't care what any other team in the division does. If we build our team to be an elite team, we can beat anyone.
Who is Will Lomas??

http://www.musiccitymiracles.com/2016/3/5/11165830/the-san-francisco-49ers-need-carson-wentz-from-the-tennessee-titans
Originally posted by jimmythegreekjr:
Who is Will Lomas??

http://www.musiccitymiracles.com/2016/3/5/11165830/the-san-francisco-49ers-need-carson-wentz-from-the-tennessee-titans

An idiot if he thinks we are trading up to #1 for Wentz, clearly.
Gruden said he's the most NFL ready QB he's seen in years
Originally posted by NorthBay49er:
Gruden said he's the most NFL ready QB he's seen in years

Challenge:Find a top draft QB that Gruden had been negative about in the past 5 years.
[ Edited by Phoenix49ers on Mar 14, 2016 at 1:31 PM ]
Originally posted by NorthBay49er:
Gruden said he's the most NFL ready QB he's seen in years

I really this kid! I'm praying the Browns take Kap and we can have a choice between Goff and Wentz....or if Baalke wants move up.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by NorthBay49er:
Gruden said he's the most NFL ready QB he's seen in years

I really this kid! I'm praying the Browns take Kap and we can have a choice between Goff and Wentz....or if Baalke wants move up.

I have a feeling the Eagles will trade up to draft Wentz or Goff if they fall past pick 2
Originally posted by YungAce:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by NorthBay49er:
Gruden said he's the most NFL ready QB he's seen in years

I really this kid! I'm praying the Browns take Kap and we can have a choice between Goff and Wentz....or if Baalke wants move up.

I have a feeling the Eagles will trade up to draft Wentz or Goff if they fall past pick 2

you think? They have over $32 million in guaranteed cash tied up in Bradford and Daniels

I think they go after zeek at 8
Originally posted by YungAce:
I have a feeling the Eagles will trade up to draft Wentz or Goff if they fall past pick 2

With what? They dont have a 2nd rounder. They could move up to 5 if they gave up a 3rd and 4th rounder...maybe.
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