QB Carson Wentz NDSU 6'5 225 Lbs

Originally posted by Jcool:
QB on stacked teams always scare me because the team is able to cover up a lot of deficiencies. Just looking through a few games and its not video game numbers you would expect from this kind of hyped prospect at a small school. Its more game manager stuff and while that is fine for a FCS team looking to win a title it doesn't do much for him as a prospect.

I'm not going to lie, I would be more concerned if he had video game numbers. NDSU runs a pro style offense and his numbers are very good. He can and has made all the throws.

Originally posted by Jcool:

I wouldn't want him for the simple fact that since he has been out that team hasn't misted a beat with a freshman starting at QB. He has 13 passing TDs and 498 rushing yards with 5 TDs in 10 games (8 starts) - 8-0 record. Wentz was rating a 159.2 before he got hurt and Easton Stick has been at a 153.8 since becoming the starter. So either that is a stacked team or a very QB friendly system. So let someone else take the risk on a FCS quarterback.

This is a very good point and something I didn't know. Goff put up better stats (156.3 passer rating but 350 yards/game compared to 159.2 and 242 yards/game) and put up those numbers on a team that didn't outmatch their opponents each week. Wentz has better size, but I don't think I'd take him in the first knowing the team played almost as well with a freshman QB. If you're a senior 1st/2nd round NFL pick playing on a more talented team than your opponents in 1AA, you should be putting up better stats in my opinion and a lightly recruited freshman shouldn't be able to put up the same numbers.

Freshman QB:
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/football/recruiting/player/_/id/167898/cole-davis

Hackenberg's numbers are about as impressive as Wentz's when you factor in their teammates (Penn State's offensive line ) and competition, he has more physical tools, and is more than 2 years younger. That's not to say that Wentz can't develop, but without knowing everything about their character, I'd take Hackenberg.

One thing to watch in the combine is his hand size according to this article (heading into the season he had problems with throwing deep balls and fumbling).

http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles/2520812-can-carson-wentz-become-the-2016-nfl-drafts-top-qb-prospect

In my opinion:
Goff>Lynch>Hackenberg>Wentz>Cook

Lynch seems like a better version of Wentz. He's bigger, has a bigger arm, and is more accurate, especially on deep throws. Lynch is more than a year younger, but may be more NFL ready.

Originally posted by ManBearPig99:

Originally posted by Jcool:
QB on stacked teams always scare me because the team is able to cover up a lot of deficiencies. Just looking through a few games and its not video game numbers you would expect from this kind of hyped prospect at a small school. Its more game manager stuff and while that is fine for a FCS team looking to win a title it doesn't do much for him as a prospect.

I'm not going to lie, I would be more concerned if he had video game numbers. NDSU runs a pro style offense and his numbers are very good. He can and has made all the throws.

Saying that doesn't make it so. Nothing shows they run anything similar to a "pro-style".

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by ManBearPig99:

Originally posted by Jcool:

QB on stacked teams always scare me because the team is able to cover up a lot of deficiencies. Just looking through a few games and its not video game numbers you would expect from this kind of hyped prospect at a small school. Its more game manager stuff and while that is fine for a FCS team looking to win a title it doesn't do much for him as a prospect.

I'm not going to lie, I would be more concerned if he had video game numbers. NDSU runs a pro style offense and his numbers are very good. He can and has made all the throws.

Saying that doesn't make it so. Nothing shows they run anything similar to a "pro-style".

Got this from website http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/breaking-down-north-dakota-state-qb-carson-wentz/

Wentz plays in a multi-offense and lines up both from under center and in the spread. The passing game has some sophistication to it and it requires the quarterback to go through a progression and has some whole field reads.

Unlike many of the college spread offenses we see, the North Dakota State offense doesn't have the quarterback make a high number of short throws at or around the line of scrimmage. This offense has the quarterback throwing the ball downfield. It is far more similar to a pro offense than many of the spreads we see quarterbacks running.

As a passer, Wentz shows he can set up quickly, go through a progression and get the ball out of his hands quickly. He has a very quick release and a strong arm. For the most part, he throws a tight ball with very good velocity. He is accurate and shows good ball placement skills. He seldom turns the ball over, and in four games this year, he has yet to throw an interception.

He is required to make a variety of throws and shows he can make any NFL type throw. He has good timing with his throw and shows he can throw with touch or drive the ball if necessary. He can easily make throws of 50+ yards with accuracy.

Wentz is a quick thinker and processes things quickly. He is a very good decision maker and you don't see him force throws. He also has a good feel for pass rushers and has the quick feet to avoid a pass rusher and extend the play. He does an excellent job throwing on the run with accuracy.

Originally posted by Jcool:
Saying that doesn't make it so. Nothing shows they run anything similar to a "pro-style".

It equates more closely to a pro-style type of offense than most spread passing attacks in college. I've watched several of their games over the past couple of years and it is a run heavy offense that employs a greater variety of throws than your average dink and dunk or chuck and duck passing attack. More relevant scheme-wise to the NFL game than places like Baylor or Texas A&M.

Originally posted by jimrat:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by ManBearPig99:

Originally posted by Jcool:
QB on stacked teams always scare me because the team is able to cover up a lot of deficiencies. Just looking through a few games and its not video game numbers you would expect from this kind of hyped prospect at a small school. Its more game manager stuff and while that is fine for a FCS team looking to win a title it doesn't do much for him as a prospect.

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I'm not going to lie, I would be more concerned if he had video game numbers. NDSU runs a pro style offense and his numbers are very good. He can and has made all the throws.

Saying that doesn't make it so. Nothing shows they run anything similar to a "pro-style".

Got this from website http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/breaking-down-north-dakota-state-qb-carson-wentz/

Wentz plays in a multi-offense and lines up both from under center and in the spread. The passing game has some sophistication to it and it requires the quarterback to go through a progression and has some whole field reads.

Unlike many of the college spread offenses we see, the North Dakota State offense doesn't have the quarterback make a high number of short throws at or around the line of scrimmage. This offense has the quarterback throwing the ball downfield. It is far more similar to a pro offense than many of the spreads we see quarterbacks running.

As a passer, Wentz shows he can set up quickly, go through a progression and get the ball out of his hands quickly. He has a very quick release and a strong arm. For the most part, he throws a tight ball with very good velocity. He is accurate and shows good ball placement skills. He seldom turns the ball over, and in four games this year, he has yet to throw an interception.

He is required to make a variety of throws and shows he can make any NFL type throw. He has good timing with his throw and shows he can throw with touch or drive the ball if necessary. He can easily make throws of 50+ yards with accuracy.

Wentz is a quick thinker and processes things quickly. He is a very good decision maker and you don't see him force throws. He also has a good feel for pass rushers and has the quick feet to avoid a pass rusher and extend the play. He does an excellent job throwing on the run with accuracy.

Because that just proves it... Not sure i remember to many pro styles that have the QB run 139 times for 814 yards.

Originally posted by Jcool:
Because that just proves it...

When the source is a guy who was a director of scouting for NFL franchises and worked under Parcells for over a decade, I figure he might have a basic idea as to what he's talking about when evaluating players.

He's hardly the only one I've heard describe the offense that Wentz plays in as much complex than your average spread system. Its not a pro-style offense but its a lot closer to it than what most college quarterbacks play in....and that includes Lynch and Goff.

NFL Media analyst Lance Zierlein has placed a first-round draft grade on the North Dakota State quarterback, who could be the most intriguing pick of the 2016 NFL Draft. Zierlein has studied film of each Wentz throw from the 2014 and '15 seasons.

"He checks a lot of boxes. He plays in a pro-style passing attack that allows him to read the entire field," Zierlein said. "He has great size, a good enough arm, and is very courageous in the pocket. He has fantastic touch and accuracy down the field. You have to project him a little because he's an FCS guy, and there are still signs that he has work to do with his decision-making.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000599411/article/zierlein-north-dakota-state-qb-wentz-deserves-firstround-grade

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Jcool:
Because that just proves it...

When the source is a guy who was a director of scouting for NFL franchises and worked under Parcells for over a decade, I figure he might have a basic idea as to what he's talking about when evaluating players.

He's hardly the only one I've heard describe the offense that Wentz plays in as much complex than your average spread system. Its not a pro-style offense but its a lot closer to it than what most college quarterbacks play in....and that includes Lynch and Goff.

Well there you go.

Originally posted by Jcool:
Well there you go.

Its not a pro-style offense but as Zierlein wrote, it is a pro-style passing attack. What Wentz is asked to do in that offense compares pretty closely to what QB's are asked to do in an NFL passing offense, which makes sense if you consider that NDSU's head coach is a former NFL QB himself.

Wentz plays in a multi-offense and lines up both from under center and in the spread. The passing game has some sophistication to it and it requires the quarterback to go through progressions and has some whole field reads.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/breaking-down-north-dakota-state-qb-carson-wentz/

Phoneix, do you prefer Goff over Wentz regardless of draft slot? Then what about considering Wentz as a late 1st first vs Goff as an early 1st? I'm not sure Wentz may be there in the 2nd. Thoughts?

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Jcool:
Well there you go.

Its not a pro-style offense but as Zierlein wrote, it is a pro-style passing attack. What Wentz is asked to do in that offense compares pretty closely to what QB's are asked to do in an NFL passing offense.

The only thing "pro-style" is he takes some snaps under center. But its still a lot of single read passes. What he is running is a lot more Memphis style then Stanford style. Almost all his "big plays" are out of the shotgun.

Originally posted by Jcool:
The only thing "pro-style" is he takes some snaps under center. But its still a lot of single read passes.

It goes beyond a lot more than that. Reading the whole field, making the proper throws, going through progressions, making downfield throws, having the experience of taking snaps regularly from under center, whether you agree or not, he plays in a pro-style passing attack. Are there issues in terms of the player and weaknesses that he needs to improve upon, which I think would be to his benefit to sit for awhile until he gets them sorted out, sure.


But Cook is the only guy out of the top QB's coming from a scheme that better translates to NFL quarterback play than Wentz.

Originally posted by GrumpyDad:
Phoneix, do you prefer Goff over Wentz regardless of draft slot? Then what about considering Wentz as a late 1st first vs Goff as an early 1st? I'm not sure Wentz may be there in the 2nd. Thoughts?

I would still take Goff, regardless of draft slot, but Wentz would be my pick in the late 1st, early 2nd. I think Wentz has a higher ceiling but a lot more work to do in terms of his footwork and pocket movement but as far as his ability to process what he's seeing, to go through his reads, to throw the ball accurately, along with some nice athleticism, I don't have any concerns, just a steeper learning curve going from FCS to the NFL.