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Feb 12, 2016 at 6:03 PM

WRATHman44
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Originally posted by joaosoarrs99:
Originally posted by 9moon:
what are you talking about.... Staley was tried at Center back when he couldn't cut it as a TE.. and tho he can play the Center position, he was just better suited at TACKLE..

.. and the reason why I'd like to see IF he can play center for us is beacuse I fully believe that he no longer can hold the LT position..

he's done.. he's past his prime.. and I never STATED TO MOVE HIM AT CENTER.. Try reading and understadning.. I asked the question because I've read that he once was a center for his team before becoming a bonafide LT..

WTF dude?

Right?

Anyway, I think Buckner is superior in every significant way to Armstead, and I think Armstead will be a stud.

Feb 12, 2016 at 6:32 PM

#287

joaosoarrs99
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Originally posted by WRATHman44:
Originally posted by joaosoarrs99:
Originally posted by 9moon:
what are you talking about.... Staley was tried at Center back when he couldn't cut it as a TE.. and tho he can play the Center position, he was just better suited at TACKLE..

.. and the reason why I'd like to see IF he can play center for us is beacuse I fully believe that he no longer can hold the LT position..

he's done.. he's past his prime.. and I never STATED TO MOVE HIM AT CENTER.. Try reading and understadning.. I asked the question because I've read that he once was a center for his team before becoming a bonafide LT..

WTF dude?

Right?

Anyway, I think Buckner is superior in every significant way to Armstead, and I think Armstead will be a stud.

I agree. Having both in the same DL again would be dangerous.

Feb 12, 2016 at 7:14 PM

#288

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The only way I'd like to see Buckner taken early is if Baalke upgrades the DL via FA. Armstead and Buckner might be part of a very good DL down the road, but they'll need some top vets to show them how it's done. That's why guys like Wilkerson, Malik Jackson, NT Damon Harrison are critical to rebuild the DL into something really formidable. That's not going to happen with a 2nd year DE, rookie DE and Ian Williams.

Feb 12, 2016 at 8:52 PM

#289

strickac
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Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:
The only way I'd like to see Buckner taken early is if Baalke upgrades the DL via FA. Armstead and Buckner might be part of a very good DL down the road, but they'll need some top vets to show them how it's done. That's why guys like Wilkerson, Malik Jackson, NT Damon Harrison are critical to rebuild the DL into something really formidable. That's not going to happen with a 2nd year DE, rookie DE and Ian Williams.

Harrison would be great if we don't get Ian back. We still have Dial and another year our of Dorsey. If Ian leaves we very possibly could be planning on starting Dorsey at NT again. We'll need some depth if Dial and Purcell is all we have

Feb 12, 2016 at 9:37 PM

#290

Phoenix49ers
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Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:
The only way I'd like to see Buckner taken early is if Baalke upgrades the DL via FA. Armstead and Buckner might be part of a very good DL down the road, but they'll need some top vets to show them how it's done. That's why guys like Wilkerson, Malik Jackson, NT Damon Harrison are critical to rebuild the DL into something really formidable. That's not going to happen with a 2nd year DE, rookie DE and Ian Williams.

What is Harrison bringing to the table that Williams isnt as far as being a veteran?

Is this a case of the grass being greener on the other side? Because its stunning how little credit people are willing to give to a guy who has been one of the very best NTs in football.

[ Edited by Phoenix49ers on Feb 12, 2016 at 9:37 PM ]

Feb 12, 2016 at 10:35 PM

#291

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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
What is Harrison bringing to the table that Williams isnt as far as being a veteran?

Is this a case of the grass being greener on the other side? Because its stunning how little credit people are willing to give to a guy who has been one of the very best NTs in football.

Lol exactly. Ian Williams is one of the best NTs in the game, and everything I've heard about him points to him being one of leaders in that locker room. He attributes a lot of how he approached the game to the cowboy.

Playing with the cowboy > anything those "vets" have to offer to others.

Feb 13, 2016 at 4:58 AM

#292

shmuck
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Originally posted by 9moon:
what are you talking about.... Staley was tried at Center back when he couldn't cut it as a TE.. and tho he can play the Center position, he was just better suited at TACKLE..

.. and the reason why I'd like to see IF he can play center for us is beacuse I fully believe that he no longer can hold the LT position..

he's done.. he's past his prime.. and I never STATED TO MOVE HIM AT CENTER.. Try reading and understadning.. I asked the question because I've read that he once was a center for his team before becoming a bonafide LT..

Holy crap. What is this post? It doesn't even have to do with Buckner either. I'll take whatever he's smoking.

Feb 14, 2016 at 11:02 PM

#293

NinerSickness
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Originally posted by WRATHman44:
Right?

Anyway, I think Buckner is superior in every significant way to Armstead, and I think Armstead will be a stud.

Nkemdiche's better.

Feb 15, 2016 at 12:17 AM

#294

English
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Originally posted by 9moon:
what are you talking about.... Staley was tried at Center back when he couldn't cut it as a TE.. and tho he can play the Center position, he was just better suited at TACKLE..

.. and the reason why I'd like to see IF he can play center for us is beacuse I fully believe that he no longer can hold the LT position..

he's done.. he's past his prime.. and I never STATED TO MOVE HIM AT CENTER.. Try reading and understadning.. I asked the question because I've read that he once was a center for his team before becoming a bonafide LT..

Perhaps you could post a link to support the center comment. My information is he started as a tight end for the Central Michigan Chippewas but was moved to tackle where he has remained. And I don't think he has ever lined up at center for us unless it was on a trick play sometime.

Feb 15, 2016 at 3:53 AM

#295

bonafidejonb
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Am I the only one that thinks that Buckner looks like he would be better off in a 4-3 defense? Our defense was most successful when we had a Justin Smith occupying the RDE, not necessarily a pass rusher but someone who is overly physical and can occupy 2 blockers to let an elite pass rusher get to the qb.

Feb 15, 2016 at 4:11 AM

#296

communist
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Originally posted by bonafidejonb:
Am I the only one that thinks that Buckner looks like he would be better off in a 4-3 defense? Our defense was most successful when we had a Justin Smith occupying the RDE, not necessarily a pass rusher but someone who is overly physical and can occupy 2 blockers to let an elite pass rusher get to the qb.

Why shouldn't Buckner be able to occupy two guys? He is very athletic and powerful and a superior pass-rusher to AA.
Our defense was working towards the strengths of its players, that's all.

Feb 15, 2016 at 6:36 AM

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Originally posted by bonafidejonb:
Am I the only one that thinks that Buckner looks like he would be better off in a 4-3 defense?

Yes, yes you are.

Feb 15, 2016 at 6:47 AM

#298

NYniner85
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Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:
The only way I'd like to see Buckner taken early is if Baalke upgrades the DL via FA. Armstead and Buckner might be part of a very good DL down the road, but they'll need some top vets to show them how it's done. That's why guys like Wilkerson, Malik Jackson, NT Damon Harrison are critical to rebuild the DL into something really formidable. That's not going to happen with a 2nd year DE, rookie DE and Ian Williams.

What is Harrison bringing to the table that Williams isnt as far as being a veteran?

Is this a case of the grass being greener on the other side? Because its stunning how little credit people are willing to give to a guy who has been one of the very best NTs in football.

THIS all day! I don't get not resigning Williams because they feel Harrison is far superior? Williams was a team captain and is well respected in the locker room. He had less talent around him on the DL and played like a stud.

What I don't get is why we haven't resigned him yet

Feb 15, 2016 at 6:50 AM

#299

stonecold590
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Originally posted by NinerSickness:
Originally posted by WRATHman44:
Right?

Anyway, I think Buckner is superior in every significant way to Armstead, and I think Armstead will be a stud.

Nkemdiche's better.

I used to think so myself. In fact as of 2 weeks ago I thought Nkemdiche was a better pick. However I have watched alot more games of Oregon since that time and now would take Buckner no doubt. Just talent alone I think he is far more consistent and Buckner isn't a crazy idiot.

Feb 15, 2016 at 6:52 AM

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NYniner85
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Originally posted by NinerSickness:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:
Right?

Anyway, I think Buckner is superior in every significant way to Armstead, and I think Armstead will be a stud.

Nkemdiche's better.

as a 3-4 DE

stats don't tell everything but.....

Nkemdiche stat's 2015: total tackles 26, 7 FL, 3 sacks
Buckner stat's 2015: total tackles 83, 17 FL, 10.5 sacks

OH and Buckner isn't bat s**t crazy