DeForest Buckner DL - Oregon

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by 9moon:
what are you talking about.... Staley was tried at Center back when he couldn't cut it as a TE.. and tho he can play the Center position, he was just better suited at TACKLE..

.. and the reason why I'd like to see IF he can play center for us is beacuse I fully believe that he no longer can hold the LT position..

he's done.. he's past his prime.. and I never STATED TO MOVE HIM AT CENTER.. Try reading and understadning.. I asked the question because I've read that he once was a center for his team before becoming a bonafide LT..

Perhaps you could post a link to support the center comment. My information is he started as a tight end for the Central Michigan Chippewas but was moved to tackle where he has remained. And I don't think he has ever lined up at center for us unless it was on a trick play sometime.

6th overall tackle in football last year according to PFF...9moon if full of it lol.

When he posts things like that his credibility just goes down the pooper

Originally posted by NinerSickness:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:
Right?

Anyway, I think Buckner is superior in every significant way to Armstead, and I think Armstead will be a stud.

Nkemdiche's better.

Disagree. Also this draft is light on pass rushers. If we're able to land a 3-4 DE like Buckner that will do nothing but improve our pass rush too. The guys a stud and I'd be thrilled with him at 7

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by 9moon:

what are you talking about.... Staley was tried at Center back when he couldn't cut it as a TE.. and tho he can play the Center position, he was just better suited at TACKLE..

.. and the reason why I'd like to see IF he can play center for us is beacuse I fully believe that he no longer can hold the LT position..

he's done.. he's past his prime.. and I never STATED TO MOVE HIM AT CENTER.. Try reading and understadning.. I asked the question because I've read that he once was a center for his team before becoming a bonafide LT..

Perhaps you could post a link to support the center comment. My information is he started as a tight end for the Central Michigan Chippewas but was moved to tackle where he has remained. And I don't think he has ever lined up at center for us unless it was on a trick play sometime.

6th overall tackle in football last year according to PFF...9moon if full of it lol.

When he posts things like that his credibility just goes down the pooper

And obviously worthy of PRO BOWL selection...cmon 9moon

Originally posted by NYniner85:
as a 3-4 DE

stats don't tell everything but.....

Nkemdiche stat's 2015: total tackles 26, 7 FL, 3 sacks
Buckner stat's 2015: total tackles 83, 17 FL, 10.5 sacks

OH and Buckner isn't bat s**t crazy

Buckner's stat totals are inflated because of how many snaps he's on the field due to Oregon's high-tempo offense.

Originally posted by NinerSickness:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

as a 3-4 DE

stats don't tell everything but.....

Nkemdiche stat's 2015: total tackles 26, 7 FL, 3 sacks
Buckner stat's 2015: total tackles 83, 17 FL, 10.5 sacks

OH and Buckner isn't bat s**t crazy

Buckner's stat totals are inflated because of how many snaps he's on the field due to Oregon's high-tempo offense.

Lol ohhh that's your rebuttal....guess what we need a player that doesn't come off the field an has a motor like him not some dummy jumping out windows and not producing.

Nke stats are underwhelming compared to a lot of DL in this draft not even named Buckner

As a team, If we are willing to hedge our bets this season that our new HC Chip Kelly will put together an productive/ high scoring offense; lets at least make sure our defense has the personal to keep us from getting run over in the ground game. Drafting DE Buckner and THEN claiming OLB Tamba Hali in FA would go a long ways in ensuring we at least have big capable athletes in the trenches of the front 7.

IIRC the major flaw the colts had as a team while youngster Andrew Luck was trying to compete in postseason shoot-outs; was there 1000% porous front 7. Just as proved in IND with the young colts, Chip Kelly's time with the eagles seems to have exemplified a trend of budding offense's mojos being crushed by weakling defenses.
In summary: Get the over-sized, productive players in the front 7!


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Originally posted by 94jinx:
As a team, If we are willing to hedge our bets this season that our new HC Chip Kelly will put together an productive/ high scoring offense; lets at least make sure our defense has the personal to keep us from getting run over in the ground game. Drafting DE Buckner and THEN claiming OLB Tamba Hali in FA would go a long ways in ensuring we at least have big capable athletes in the trenches of the front 7.

IIRC the major flaw the colts had as a team while youngster Andrew Luck was trying to compete in postseason shoot-outs; was there 1000% porous front 7. Just as proved in IND with the young colts, Chip Kelly's time with the eagles seems to have exemplified a trend of budding offense's mojos being crushed by weakling defenses.
In summary: Get the over-sized, productive players in the front 7!


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I totally agree...and if you look at Chip's past drafts with Philly it's been heavy on defense. I'm all for a rotation and grabbing DL prospects with a motor and no one is better than Buckner.

I don't know if he's gonna make it to us though that's the issue. I also think we are gonna need a stable of pass rushers because like you said if chip can get us points teams will be forced to throw the ball...we are gonna need fresh legs to pass rush.

Buckner, Spence, or Jack with the 1st pick would be fine with me

Originally posted by Sims19849ers:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by 9moon:
what are you talking about.... Staley was tried at Center back when he couldn't cut it as a TE.. and tho he can play the Center position, he was just better suited at TACKLE..

.. and the reason why I'd like to see IF he can play center for us is beacuse I fully believe that he no longer can hold the LT position..

he's done.. he's past his prime.. and I never STATED TO MOVE HIM AT CENTER.. Try reading and understadning.. I asked the question because I've read that he once was a center for his team before becoming a bonafide LT..

Perhaps you could post a link to support the center comment. My information is he started as a tight end for the Central Michigan Chippewas but was moved to tackle where he has remained. And I don't think he has ever lined up at center for us unless it was on a trick play sometime.

6th overall tackle in football last year according to PFF...9moon if full of it lol.

When he posts things like that his credibility just goes down the pooper

And obviously worthy of PRO BOWL selection...cmon 9moon

PRO BOWL does not count anymore.. where you guys been??


didn't you learn that after our rookie FS (Reid) made the Pro Bowl???

Originally posted by 9moon:
PRO BOWL does not count anymore.. where you guys been??


didn't you learn that after our rookie FS (Reid) made the Pro Bowl???

He played well his rookie year....Staley was the 6th ranked OT overall this year you have nothing to stand on about him not being good.. you just don't man.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Lol ohhh that's your rebuttal....guess what we need a player that doesn't come off the field an has a motor like him not some dummy jumping out windows and not producing.

Nke stats are underwhelming compared to a lot of DL in this draft not even named Buckner

It doesn't have anything to do with coming off the field because of fatigue. Oregon's D plays more snaps because of the hurry-up offense. More defensive snaps = more defensive stats.

And of course Nkemdiche has a huge red flag because of off-field behavour. I don't think anyone denies that. But as far as "not producing" goes, that's crazy. The man dominated his entire career at Ole Miss.

Originally posted by NinerSickness:

It doesn't have anything to do with coming off the field because of fatigue. Oregon's D plays more snaps because of the hurry-up offense. More defensive snaps = more defensive stats.

And of course Nkemdiche has a huge red flag because of off-field behavour. I don't think anyone denies that. But as far as "not producing" goes, that's crazy. The man dominated his entire career at Ole Miss.

I'm not the only one that said heis stats and production were underwhelming based on his ability...dude is lazy and a head case that all gets brought into account when discussing a prospect.


http://www.rotoworld.com/player/cfb/132396/robert-nkemdiche

NFL Media analyst Lance Zierlein hears that "[s]couts are very concerned about not only [Ole Miss DL Robert] Nkemdiche's personal character, but also his overall work ethic as well."

Nkemdiche's one of the more interesting cases in this draft pool. Even before he was cited for marijuana possession after falling out of a hotel window in December, the 6-foot-4, 297-pounder's statistical production for the 2015 campaign ended oddly flat. He recorded just 26 tackles (7.0 for loss) with three sacks. Nkemdiche has never recorded more than 28 tackles in a season. In his most recent four-round mock draft, NFL Media's Chad Reuter pegged the Ole Miss product to the Lions at pick No. 46 (falling in the second round).


He's not a better prospect OVERALL compared to Buckner.

Originally posted by NinerSickness:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Lol ohhh that's your rebuttal....guess what we need a player that doesn't come off the field an has a motor like him not some dummy jumping out windows and not producing.

Nke stats are underwhelming compared to a lot of DL in this draft not even named Buckner

It doesn't have anything to do with coming off the field because of fatigue. Oregon's D plays more snaps because of the hurry-up offense. More defensive snaps = more defensive stats.

And of course Nkemdiche has a huge red flag because of off-field behavour. I don't think anyone denies that. But as far as "not producing" goes, that's crazy. The man dominated his entire career at Ole Miss.

Watch Buckner play. Playing with his motor for the number of snaps he gets each game is as crazy as his talent.

I hope you aren't implying that Buckner had 3x as many plays as Nek, because he essentially tripled his production.

With Nek's issues, including his relationship with his brother, I couldn't comfortably burn a 1st on him. Kelly tends to be more conservative than I am on character guys.

Originally posted by NinerSickness:

But as far as "not producing" goes, that's crazy. The man dominated his entire career at Ole Miss.

Because he didnt always produce. His numbers are paltry compared to other top prospects and there have been many who questioned his motor and a tendency to be the "Invisible Man" on the field at times.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Because he didnt always produce. His numbers are paltry compared to other top prospects and there have been many who questioned his motor and a tendency to be the "Invisible Man" on the field at times.

You're right. He doesn't always play up to his ability. He has a lot of similarities with Jadaveon Clowney: #1 overall high-school prospect, kind of a jackass, insane ability and not totally consistent motor.

What he doesn't have in common with Clowney is the injuries with which he's been struggling during his first 2 years (although Clowney has been playing extremely well lately according to most people).

Nkemdiche is a bigger risk than Buckner, but his ceiling is higher.

Originally posted by NinerSickness:

You're right. He doesn't always play up to his ability. He has a lot of similarities with Jadaveon Clowney: #1 overall high-school prospect, kind of a jackass, insane ability and not totally consistent motor.

What he doesn't have in common with Clowney is the injuries with which he's been struggling during his first 2 years (although Clowney has been playing extremely well lately according to most people).

Nkemdiche is a bigger risk than Buckner, but his ceiling is higher.

How is his ceiling higher?? If he's sitting there in the 2nd maybe