DeForest Buckner DL - Oregon

Originally posted by NinerSickness:
It doesn't have anything to do with coming off the field because of fatigue. Oregon's D plays more snaps because of the hurry-up offense. More defensive snaps = more defensive stats.

And of course Nkemdiche has a huge red flag because of off-field behavour. I don't think anyone denies that. But as far as "not producing" goes, that's crazy. The man dominated his entire career at Ole Miss.

I would argue the opposite. Usually when the defense is on the field too long their stats are horrible. Buckner is an exception to this rule.

Originally posted by 94jinx:
As a team, If we are willing to hedge our bets this season that our new HC Chip Kelly will put together an productive/ high scoring offense; lets at least make sure our defense has the personal to keep us from getting run over in the ground game. Drafting DE Buckner and THEN claiming OLB Tamba Hali in FA would go a long ways in ensuring we at least have big capable athletes in the trenches of the front 7.

IIRC the major flaw the colts had as a team while youngster Andrew Luck was trying to compete in postseason shoot-outs; was there 1000% porous front 7. Just as proved in IND with the young colts, Chip Kelly's time with the eagles seems to have exemplified a trend of budding offense's mojos being crushed by weakling defenses.
In summary: Get the over-sized, productive players in the front 7!


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hopefully we will see you around more. Great post

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NinerSickness:
You're right. He doesn't always play up to his ability. He has a lot of similarities with Jadaveon Clowney: #1 overall high-school prospect, kind of a jackass, insane ability and not totally consistent motor.

What he doesn't have in common with Clowney is the injuries with which he's been struggling during his first 2 years (although Clowney has been playing extremely well lately according to most people).

Nkemdiche is a bigger risk than Buckner, but his ceiling is higher.

How is his ceiling higher?? If he's sitting there in the 2nd maybe

He could easily drop to the low first round and would be a good pick-up there.

I also think Buckner will be a stud.

Originally posted by Quest4six:
I would argue the opposite. Usually when the defense is on the field too long their stats are horrible. Buckner is an exception to this rule.

Efficiency stats might be horrible for defenses who are on the field a lot, but their totals (tackles, sacks, FF, picks) are high simply by virtue of playing more snaps.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
How is his ceiling higher?? If he's sitting there in the 2nd maybe

Have you seen him play? He's a monster. I don't remember the last time I've seen a DL who was that hard to move & who had such a powerful punch off the snap in college.

I think Buckner will be great too, but Nkemdiche was the most dominant non-QB in college FB last year. The biggest question is whether he'll continue to work once he gets paid.

Originally posted by NinerSickness:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

How is his ceiling higher?? If he's sitting there in the 2nd maybe

Have you seen him play? He's a monster. I don't remember the last time I've seen a DL who was that hard to move & who had such a powerful punch off the snap in college.

I think Buckner will be great too, but Nkemdiche was the most dominant non-QB in college FB last year. The biggest question is whether he'll continue to work once he gets paid.

What? Most domient non QB? I don't think so bud...I've seen him play he has moments but that's just it moments. He's a headcase that's looked lazy to me on the field there was no consistency. Buckner was by far more consistent....ill pass on him until the 2nd let some other team take on the headache.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
What? Most domient non QB? I don't think so bud...I've seen him play he has moments but that's just it moments. He's a headcase that's looked lazy to me on the field there was no consistency. Buckner was by far more consistent....ill pass on him until the 2nd let some other team take on the headache.

What you're saying reinforces what I was saying. His ceiling is higher than Buckner's. Buckner might be a better overall prospect at this point though.

Originally posted by NinerSickness:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

What? Most domient non QB? I don't think so bud...I've seen him play he has moments but that's just it moments. He's a headcase that's looked lazy to me on the field there was no consistency. Buckner was by far more consistent....ill pass on him until the 2nd let some other team take on the headache.

What you're saying reinforces what I was saying. His ceiling is higher than Buckner's. Buckner might be a better overall prospect at this point though.

You don't draft someone in th top 10 based on possible upside...like I said if he's sitting there in the 2nd maybe.

And how does that make his ceiling higher? Because he's floor is that much lower right now?

Why can't Buckner who's already better and more consistent IMO then Nke get better as well?

If the 49ers were able to draft Buckner...

Originally posted by Jcool:

If the 49ers were able to draft Buckner...

Lol yes!

Buckner would be a great pick...Matt Barrows has a blog out about the DL and why it's so important. Couldn't agree more. Although it may be an old saying, it really does start up front. Armstead should've gotten a lot more snaps last year...had Tomsula gotten him in there more, he'd be considerably more ready to take on a starting role in 2016. The two could form a dangerous bookend tandem for (hopefully) Ian Williams. That said, both are NFL inexperienced, so Baalke would be smart to grab Malik Jackson, Olivier Vernon, or Adrian Claiborn. He has to rebuild the depth the team had just 2-3 seasons ago. Also love Vernon Butler at DT...great motor, size and "want-to". All starting positions need very solid b/u's so O'Neil can develop an effective rotation. Anything Baalke can do toward that end in FA, all the better. Then he can add more strong youth in the draft.

I would be stoked with Buckner along with Ramsey or Jack with the 7th pick. Each one is a stud.

Nkemdiche>>>> Buckner and it ain't even close....im not against Buckner but only if we trade down to get him and pick up a extra 2nd or 3rd...but at 7...ehhh

Nkemdiche showed up to play well in about three games this year. If we saw the productivity that he displayed in the Alabama game, we would have an argument. The problem is that he only showed flashes of being an elite player. For much of the year, he was pretty mediocre. Nkemdiche had sacks in three of his ten game, and three or less tackles in 6 of 10 games. His season high for tackles was 6 against Alabama. Buckner reached and/or exceeded that number in 9 games this year. I am not saying RN is a bad player, but not even top five for interior DL in 2015.

Meanwhile, Buckner had sacks in nine games, and three or less tackles in only one game.

Buckner played as a 3-4 DE on the right side, facing LT's all year long, including Jake Conklin (epic battle worth watching). He graded out as the second highest player by Pro Football Focus for the year.

There is no scout in America that would state Nkemdiche is better than Buckner. On my end, I have seen both play on nearly every snap this year, and it is not even close.

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

Nkemdiche showed up to play well in about three games this year. If we saw the productivity that he displayed in the Alabama game, we would have an argument. The problem is that he only showed flashes of being an elite player. For much of the year, he was pretty mediocre. Nkemdiche had sacks in three of his ten game, and three or less tackles in 6 of 10 games. His season high for tackles was 6 against Alabama. Buckner reached and/or exceeded that number in 9 games this year. I am not saying RN is a bad player, but not even top five for interior DL in 2015.

Meanwhile, Buckner had sacks in nine games, and three or less tackles in only one game.

Buckner played as a 3-4 DE on the right side, facing LT's all year long, including Jake Conklin (epic battle worth watching). He graded out as the second highest player by Pro Football Focus for the year.

There is no scout in America that would state Nkemdiche is better than Buckner. On my end, I have seen both play on nearly every snap this year, and it is not even close.

Thank you