DeForest Buckner DL - Oregon

Originally posted by yung_prophet_one:

Nkemdiche>>>> Buckner and it ain't even close....im not against Buckner but only if we trade down to get him and pick up a extra 2nd or 3rd...but at 7...ehhh

Not sure how you can even beleive that? There was no consistency from Nke none...meanwhile Buckner was the picture of consistency. You must be a old miss fan or something?

FOX Sports' Peter Schrager noted that "the growing interest and hype for [Oregon DE] DeForest Buckner is real."
"Joey Bosa isn't clear and away the first defensive end on teams' boards," Schrager wrote. We've seen this notion begin to play out in several mock drafts by analysts, with NFL Media's Lance Zierlein and ESPN's Mel Kiper Jr. both tabbing the 6-foot-7, 290-pound Buckner to the Chargers at No. 3. Both experts have Bosa sliding to the Ravens at No. 6. Rotoworld's Josh Norris hasn't caved to the recent hype wave, though, writing "I'm not completely sold on Buckner's pass rushing success early on." He pegs the Oregon product to the Giants at No. 10

Not surprising really IMHO. Could see a scenario where if Bosa and Buckner are both on the board at 3 that SD takes Buckner over Bosa. ..but no way do I think Dallas passes on Bosa in said scenario.

Originally posted by KRS-1:

FOX Sports' Peter Schrager noted that "the growing interest and hype for [Oregon DE] DeForest Buckner is real."
"Joey Bosa isn't clear and away the first defensive end on teams' boards," Schrager wrote. We've seen this notion begin to play out in several mock drafts by analysts, with NFL Media's Lance Zierlein and ESPN's Mel Kiper Jr. both tabbing the 6-foot-7, 290-pound Buckner to the Chargers at No. 3. Both experts have Bosa sliding to the Ravens at No. 6. Rotoworld's Josh Norris hasn't caved to the recent hype wave, though, writing "I'm not completely sold on Buckner's pass rushing success early on." He pegs the Oregon product to the Giants at No. 10

Not surprising really IMHO. Could see a scenario where if Bosa and Buckner are both on the board at 3 that SD takes Buckner over Bosa. ..but no way do I think Dallas passes on Bosa in said scenario.

Yeah I agree somewhat...honestly I don't see how SD doesn't go OT or safety though. That OL was straight trash and Weedle is gone. Standley or Ramsey would make a ton of sense you'd think? Also don't see how the Cowboys don't go defense...all the talk about QB makes me think they want to trade down, IMO you don't draft a QB to hold a clip board for a couple season at 5 when your a playoff team.

Buckner won't be making it to us

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by KRS-1:

FOX Sports' Peter Schrager noted that "the growing interest and hype for [Oregon DE] DeForest Buckner is real."
"Joey Bosa isn't clear and away the first defensive end on teams' boards," Schrager wrote. We've seen this notion begin to play out in several mock drafts by analysts, with NFL Media's Lance Zierlein and ESPN's Mel Kiper Jr. both tabbing the 6-foot-7, 290-pound Buckner to the Chargers at No. 3. Both experts have Bosa sliding to the Ravens at No. 6. Rotoworld's Josh Norris hasn't caved to the recent hype wave, though, writing "I'm not completely sold on Buckner's pass rushing success early on." He pegs the Oregon product to the Giants at No. 10

Not surprising really IMHO. Could see a scenario where if Bosa and Buckner are both on the board at 3 that SD takes Buckner over Bosa. ..but no way do I think Dallas passes on Bosa in said scenario.

Yeah I agree somewhat...honestly I don't see how SD doesn't go OT or safety though. That OL was straight trash and Weedle is gone. Standley or Ramsey would make a ton of sense you'd think? Also don't see how the Cowboys don't go defense...all the talk about QB makes me think they want to trade down, IMO you don't draft a QB to hold a clip board for a couple season at 5 when your a playoff team.

Buckner won't be making it to us

I do see QB as a real possibility for Dallas but IMO their pick will come down to father Vs son. Will be similar to when Stephen convinced Daddy Jerry to take Martin instead of Daddy's Draft crush Manziel. I think one will lean with impact defensive player while the other long-term QB answer.

With this Draft class being OT rich, the Chargers could opt for a DL/pass rusher first or Ramsey. Defensively they need an impact player whether that is in the trenches or on the back end. Chargers had only 4 sacks more than we did last year.

How many teams that draft before the Niners run a 3-4 defense?

Originally posted by Andra:

How many teams that draft before the Niners run a 3-4 defense?

4. Tennessee, Cleveland, San Diego and Baltimore. However Buckner could fit in a 4-3 as well so Dallas and Jacksonville could also be intrigued.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by yung_prophet_one:

Nkemdiche>>>> Buckner and it ain't even close....im not against Buckner but only if we trade down to get him and pick up a extra 2nd or 3rd...but at 7...ehhh

Not sure how you can even beleive that? There was no consistency from Nke none...meanwhile Buckner was the picture of consistency. You must be a old miss fan or something?

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You do realize that Buckner is accelerating up draft boards quicker than anyone right now and may not even be there at number 7, and you want to trade down? If you have watched Nkemdiche's film where he disappears for often long stretches of the game vesus Buckner's film where he is a disruptive force on nearly every play, I'd love for you to explain exactly what your seeing in Nkemdiche's game over Buckner's.

The more film I watch of Buckner, the more I fall in love with him. I see him ascending to Mohammed Wilkerson level of play within his first 2-3 years. I would bet my bottom dollar on it.

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by Andra:

How many teams that draft before the Niners run a 3-4 defense?

4. Tennessee, Cleveland, San Diego and Baltimore. However Buckner could fit in a 4-3 as well so Dallas and Jacksonville could also be intrigued.

Well the Niners have a chance of Buckner falling to #7 assuming Cleveland goes QB. Tennessee goes OL. San Diego goes S. I think Dallas could go after Jack. That leaves Baltimore and Jacksonville as the wild cards the way I see it.

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by KRS-1:

FOX Sports' Peter Schrager noted that "the growing interest and hype for [Oregon DE] DeForest Buckner is real."
"Joey Bosa isn't clear and away the first defensive end on teams' boards," Schrager wrote. We've seen this notion begin to play out in several mock drafts by analysts, with NFL Media's Lance Zierlein and ESPN's Mel Kiper Jr. both tabbing the 6-foot-7, 290-pound Buckner to the Chargers at No. 3. Both experts have Bosa sliding to the Ravens at No. 6. Rotoworld's Josh Norris hasn't caved to the recent hype wave, though, writing "I'm not completely sold on Buckner's pass rushing success early on." He pegs the Oregon product to the Giants at No. 10

Not surprising really IMHO. Could see a scenario where if Bosa and Buckner are both on the board at 3 that SD takes Buckner over Bosa. ..but no way do I think Dallas passes on Bosa in said scenario.

Yeah I agree somewhat...honestly I don't see how SD doesn't go OT or safety though. That OL was straight trash and Weedle is gone. Standley or Ramsey would make a ton of sense you'd think? Also don't see how the Cowboys don't go defense...all the talk about QB makes me think they want to trade down, IMO you don't draft a QB to hold a clip board for a couple season at 5 when your a playoff team.

Buckner won't be making it to us

I do see QB as a real possibility for Dallas but IMO their pick will come down to father Vs son. Will be similar to when Stephen convinced Daddy Jerry to take Martin instead of Daddy's Draft crush Manziel. I think one will lean with impact defensive player while the other long-term QB answer.

With this Draft class being OT rich, the Chargers could opt for a DL/pass rusher first or Ramsey. Defensively they need an impact player whether that is in the trenches or on the back end. Chargers had only 4 sacks more than we did last year.

I just don't see why QB would be their top priority especially when there's players at positions of need right now that IMO are rated higher than QB. They need some serious help at DB the only solid player they have is Scandrick and he torn up his ACL. I like Jones I think they will keep him at safety but they are hurting there. LB is a serious issue with Lee's health and McClain a FA (plus didn't play well) Jack would be a perfect fit for them.

SD had a ton of injuries and I think that was a issue on both sides of the ball...it will be interesting to see what they do, I wouldn't be surprised if a team jumps ahead of us for a QB either at SD, Dallas, or Baltimore's pick.

It will be interesting I wonder how people are feeling now that loved the Rams win? We might lose out on a a top talent like Buckner because of a meaningless game smh.

Originally posted by Willisfn4life:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by yung_prophet_one:

Nkemdiche>>>> Buckner and it ain't even close....im not against Buckner but only if we trade down to get him and pick up a extra 2nd or 3rd...but at 7...ehhh

Not sure how you can even beleive that? There was no consistency from Nke none...meanwhile Buckner was the picture of consistency. You must be a old miss fan or something?

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You do realize that Buckner is accelerating up draft boards quicker than anyone right now and may not even be there at number 7, and you want to trade down? If you have watched Nkemdiche's film where he disappears for often long stretches of the game vesus Buckner's film where he is a disruptive force on nearly every play, I'd love for you to explain exactly what your seeing in Nkemdiche's game over Buckner's.

The more film I watch of Buckner, the more I fall in love with him. I see him ascending to Mohammed Wilkerson level of play within his first 2-3 years. I would bet my bottom dollar on it.

Nkemdiche played in the sec and was a factor..and yes I am going that route... The sec is a physical NFL type of game...there is something that has to be said about that..the PAC 12 no disrespect is no sec..also nkemdiche has so much potential... He can play all fronts on the dline and his athleticism is superior to bucker IMO

And when has sacks been the final say in how good a dlineman is??? AA didn't put up many sacks when he played at Oregon and still was loved by a lot of teams not just us..put bucker in the sec and let's see his stats drop and put Nkemdiche in the PAC 12 and watch his #s shine...I know I'm bout to get a bunch of s*** for this but playing in the sec does get u more points from me...nkemdiche has more potential in my eyes...well see who's right who's wrong in about 4 years

Originally posted by Andra:

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by Andra:

How many teams that draft before the Niners run a 3-4 defense?

4. Tennessee, Cleveland, San Diego and Baltimore. However Buckner could fit in a 4-3 as well so Dallas and Jacksonville could also be intrigued.

Well the Niners have a chance of Buckner falling to #7 assuming Cleveland goes QB. Tennessee goes OL. San Diego goes S. I think Dallas could go after Jack. That leaves Baltimore and Jacksonville as the wild cards the way I see it.

San Diego needs help both on the back end and with guys who can rush the passer. I would not assume they go safety.

Dallas could go DL if they don't bring Hardy back. They also could look at Ramsey.

Originally posted by yung_prophet_one:

Originally posted by Willisfn4life:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by yung_prophet_one:

Nkemdiche>>>> Buckner and it ain't even close....im not against Buckner but only if we trade down to get him and pick up a extra 2nd or 3rd...but at 7...ehhh

Not sure how you can even beleive that? There was no consistency from Nke none...meanwhile Buckner was the picture of consistency. You must be a old miss fan or something?

This

You do realize that Buckner is accelerating up draft boards quicker than anyone right now and may not even be there at number 7, and you want to trade down? If you have watched Nkemdiche's film where he disappears for often long stretches of the game vesus Buckner's film where he is a disruptive force on nearly every play, I'd love for you to explain exactly what your seeing in Nkemdiche's game over Buckner's.

The more film I watch of Buckner, the more I fall in love with him. I see him ascending to Mohammed Wilkerson level of play within his first 2-3 years. I would bet my bottom dollar on it.

Nkemdiche played in the sec and was a factor..and yes I am going that route... The sec is a physical NFL type of game...there is something that has to be said about that..the PAC 12 no disrespect is no sec..also nkemdiche has so much potential... He can play all fronts on the dline and his athleticism is superior to bucker IMO

That's my big thing. Yes the sec is undoubtedly the cream of the crop in college football. But Nkemdiche wasn't THAT big of a factor. He does have elite physical traits and is good for the occasional wtf did you just see that play kind of highlight. With that said though Buckner is pretty battle tested too and played against some pretty good football teams. He also was developed by Ron Aiken who is one of the better dline coaches around. Hes the same guy that coached Darnell Dockett during his prime and developed Calais Campbell. So not surprising Buckner's technique is very good. You are also correct that Nkemdiche did play multiple spots on the dline but so did Buckner.

Nkemdiche was just so highly inconsistent. Buckner probably doesn't have the overall physical attributes that Nkemdiche does in a nutshell but is defiantly no slouch himself. Buckner was very consistent, fought to the whistle and you just don't see that on Nkemdiche's tape.

Also the most underlying factor here that isn't being discussed was run defense. Buckner was fantastic in run defense. His technique completely superior to Nkemdiche in every way who was honestly pretty bad in run defense. He was constantly caught out of position and trying to take on blockers with his inside shoulder. To me the effort, the consistency just make Buckner the better football player right now.

Nkemdiche has the traits to become dominant but the 49ers really need instant contributors at this point. We just took a similar dlineman last year in the sense that he had great physical gifts but is/was viewed as a project and our roster isn't what it was 3 years ago when we could afford developmental players. We really need a strong off season and right now Buckner is just a better player in my opinion and far more ready to contribute quicker. Anything could change in the future but we have seen this song and dance played out so much haven't we? Player comes in with elite physical gifts but questionable effort and in the end usually becomes a non factor as usually the latter wins out. Or they become a factor long enough to get that big contract then in which they phase out.

For me I'm going with more of the you know what your getting over the you don't know what your getting. To each their own. We'll see.

Originally posted by yung_prophet_one:

Nkemdiche played in the sec and was a factor..and yes I am going that route... The sec is a physical NFL type of game...there is something that has to be said about that..the PAC 12 no disrespect is no sec..also nkemdiche has so much potential... He can play all fronts on the dline and his athleticism is superior to bucker IMO

Give me a break with the SEC BS...then Robinson from Alabama is better, better stats and didn't take plays off.

He's athleticism is not better than Buckner...an the only reason you say he has potential is because we haven't seen it yet. I wouldn't touch this dude in the 1st.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by KRS-1:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by KRS-1:

FOX Sports' Peter Schrager noted that "the growing interest and hype for [Oregon DE] DeForest Buckner is real."
"Joey Bosa isn't clear and away the first defensive end on teams' boards," Schrager wrote. We've seen this notion begin to play out in several mock drafts by analysts, with NFL Media's Lance Zierlein and ESPN's Mel Kiper Jr. both tabbing the 6-foot-7, 290-pound Buckner to the Chargers at No. 3. Both experts have Bosa sliding to the Ravens at No. 6. Rotoworld's Josh Norris hasn't caved to the recent hype wave, though, writing "I'm not completely sold on Buckner's pass rushing success early on." He pegs the Oregon product to the Giants at No. 10

Not surprising really IMHO. Could see a scenario where if Bosa and Buckner are both on the board at 3 that SD takes Buckner over Bosa. ..but no way do I think Dallas passes on Bosa in said scenario.

Yeah I agree somewhat...honestly I don't see how SD doesn't go OT or safety though. That OL was straight trash and Weedle is gone. Standley or Ramsey would make a ton of sense you'd think? Also don't see how the Cowboys don't go defense...all the talk about QB makes me think they want to trade down, IMO you don't draft a QB to hold a clip board for a couple season at 5 when your a playoff team.

Buckner won't be making it to us

I do see QB as a real possibility for Dallas but IMO their pick will come down to father Vs son. Will be similar to when Stephen convinced Daddy Jerry to take Martin instead of Daddy's Draft crush Manziel. I think one will lean with impact defensive player while the other long-term QB answer.

With this Draft class being OT rich, the Chargers could opt for a DL/pass rusher first or Ramsey. Defensively they need an impact player whether that is in the trenches or on the back end. Chargers had only 4 sacks more than we did last year.

I just don't see why QB would be their top priority especially when there's players at positions of need right now that IMO are rated higher than QB. They need some serious help at DB the only solid player they have is Scandrick and he torn up his ACL. I like Jones I think they will keep him at safety but they are hurting there. LB is a serious issue with Lee's health and McClain a FA (plus didn't play well) Jack would be a perfect fit for them.

SD had a ton of injuries and I think that was a issue on both sides of the ball...it will be interesting to see what they do, I wouldn't be surprised if a team jumps ahead of us for a QB either at SD, Dallas, or Baltimore's pick.

It will be interesting I wonder how people are feeling now that loved the Rams win? We might lose out on a a top talent like Buckner because of a meaningless game smh.

You make a solid case for the Cowboys not going QB. And while Stephen Jones has said they will look at taking a QB at 4 even though he knows well said QB could sit for 2-3 years he could be bluffing in hopes of someone moving ahead of them to drop another prospect and or possibly the top rated defensive player into their laps. Peyton, Brady and Favre were all the same age as Romo when their teams invested in QB's with a higher pick (2nd rounders with the first two and a first with GB). I think they will remain a wildcard with the way things stand now as to what their true intentions are but if you are that FO you have to at least do your homework on those top QB's before FA starts to go into all this with a sound strategy and make the right decisions.

San Diego probably goes with the top player on their board that is not a QB however like Dallas, what they do in FA will be the key.