DeForest Buckner DL - Oregon

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by IdahoNiner:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Buckner will be the player Big Daddy Wilkerson was ... if we (49ers) want him, fine, but please, not with the 7th overall pick..

IMO He is worthy of #1 overall. What flaws do you see that put him out of the top ten players in the draft for you?

We could do a lot worse than Buckner at #7 overall.

Well, Big Daddy was Cincy's #1 overall pick as well..and if that's the case, how come Buckner has not made any kinda noixe being a possible 1st overall pick.. the guy's size and athletecism is very imposing, no doubt, but he's motor doesn't run that much..

I'm just saying, he's a 1st rounder, but NOT a top flight DL IMO... for some reason, there are times that his engine just shots off, that's the one thing that I'm concern about the most..

Has motor issues? He played on two separate games with 100 snaps

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2016/02/23/draft-why-pff-is-obsessed-with-deforest-buckner/

http://www.fantasysharks.com/2016-idp-draft-preview-deforest-buckner-dl-oregon/

Motor is far from a issue

Originally posted by 9moon:
Well, Big Daddy was Cincy's #1 overall pick as well..and if that's the case, how come Buckner has not made any kinda noixe being a possible 1st overall pick.. the guy's size and athletecism is very imposing, no doubt, but he's motor doesn't run that much..

I'm just saying, he's a 1st rounder, but NOT a top flight DL IMO... for some reason, there are times that his engine just shots off, that's the one thing that I'm concern about the most..

buckner is a 3-4 guy, that limits his suitors

Best breakdown of Buckner I've read so far w/some film.

http://www.sbnation.com/2016/3/21/11214142/2016-nfl-draft-deforest-buckner-breakdown-oregon?_ga=1.46701154.491850794.1458338879

Thoughts??

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by IdahoNiner:

Originally posted by 9moon:
Buckner will be the player Big Daddy Wilkerson was ... if we (49ers) want him, fine, but please, not with the 7th overall pick..

IMO He is worthy of #1 overall. What flaws do you see that put him out of the top ten players in the draft for you?

We could do a lot worse than Buckner at #7 overall.

Well, Big Daddy was Cincy's #1 overall pick as well..and if that's the case, how come Buckner has not made any kinda noixe being a possible 1st overall pick.. the guy's size and athletecism is very imposing, no doubt, but he's motor doesn't run that much..

I'm just saying, he's a 1st rounder, but NOT a top flight DL IMO... for some reason, there are times that his engine just shots off, that's the one thing that I'm concern about the most..

Has motor issues? He played on two separate games with 100 snaps

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2016/02/23/draft-why-pff-is-obsessed-with-deforest-buckner/

http://www.fantasysharks.com/2016-idp-draft-preview-deforest-buckner-dl-oregon/

Motor is far from a issue

THIS IS WHAT I HIGHLIGHTED (AND MY REASON WHY I JUST DONT BELIEVE HE'S A TOP 10) FROM THE REPORT ABOVE..

Despite 67 total pressures this season Buckner "only" had 12 sacks. There were multiple plays throughout the season where he generated quick pressure but couldn't finish, finding himself outmaneuvered in the backfield by a superior athlete, or simply lacking the burst to close the distance between himself and the quarterback once he had defeated his blocker.
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Also, if he's best comparison is Calais Campbell, then he surey does not belong in the top 10..

what many of you guys are forgetting is that all these reports, good, bad, are done by representatives.. it goes beyond the back stage of the building, reps paying under the table to advertise their players more, or even paying reporters to put some dirt on other players..

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by IdahoNiner:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Buckner will be the player Big Daddy Wilkerson was ... if we (49ers) want him, fine, but please, not with the 7th overall pick..

IMO He is worthy of #1 overall. What flaws do you see that put him out of the top ten players in the draft for you?

We could do a lot worse than Buckner at #7 overall.

Well, Big Daddy was Cincy's #1 overall pick as well..and if that's the case, how come Buckner has not made any kinda noixe being a possible 1st overall pick.. the guy's size and athletecism is very imposing, no doubt, but he's motor doesn't run that much..

I'm just saying, he's a 1st rounder, but NOT a top flight DL IMO... for some reason, there are times that his engine just shots off, that's the one thing that I'm concern about the most..

Has motor issues? He played on two separate games with 100 snaps

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2016/02/23/draft-why-pff-is-obsessed-with-deforest-buckner/

http://www.fantasysharks.com/2016-idp-draft-preview-deforest-buckner-dl-oregon/

Motor is far from a issue

THIS IS WHAT I HIGHLIGHTED (AND MY REASON WHY I JUST DONT BELIEVE HE'S A TOP 10) FROM THE REPORT ABOVE..

Despite 67 total pressures this season Buckner "only" had 12 sacks. There were multiple plays throughout the season where he generated quick pressure but couldn't finish, finding himself outmaneuvered in the backfield by a superior athlete, or simply lacking the burst to close the distance between himself and the quarterback once he had defeated his blocker.
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Also, if he's best comparison is Calais Campbell, then he surey does not belong in the top 10..

what many of you guys are forgetting is that all these reports, good, bad, are done by representatives.. it goes beyond the back stage of the building, reps paying under the table to advertise their players more, or even paying reporters to put some dirt on other players..

Hahahaha you disregard all the positives and focus on the one weakness they talk about because they have to talk about a weakeness. If he had zero weaknesses he'd be the top pick in the draft man! You know what players can do??? Get better wierd I know, focusing on football full time can do that to a player. Campbell is one of the most dominating 3-4 DEs in he game! Any GM would take him in the top 10 don't be dumb.

You notice how the put "only" in quotes!? Because 12 sacks for a 3-4 DE is amazing man..go look at Justin smiths stats he had 8 sacks in his best season with us.

Oh and PFF was talking up Buckner well before he had representives...your so full of it saying his reps are paying PFF to say he's good lol. What a joke

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by IdahoNiner:

Originally posted by 9moon:
Buckner will be the player Big Daddy Wilkerson was ... if we (49ers) want him, fine, but please, not with the 7th overall pick..

IMO He is worthy of #1 overall. What flaws do you see that put him out of the top ten players in the draft for you?

We could do a lot worse than Buckner at #7 overall.

Well, Big Daddy was Cincy's #1 overall pick as well..and if that's the case, how come Buckner has not made any kinda noixe being a possible 1st overall pick.. the guy's size and athletecism is very imposing, no doubt, but he's motor doesn't run that much..

I'm just saying, he's a 1st rounder, but NOT a top flight DL IMO... for some reason, there are times that his engine just shots off, that's the one thing that I'm concern about the most..

Has motor issues? He played on two separate games with 100 snaps

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2016/02/23/draft-why-pff-is-obsessed-with-deforest-buckner/

http://www.fantasysharks.com/2016-idp-draft-preview-deforest-buckner-dl-oregon/

Motor is far from a issue

THIS IS WHAT I HIGHLIGHTED (AND MY REASON WHY I JUST DONT BELIEVE HE'S A TOP 10) FROM THE REPORT ABOVE..

Despite 67 total pressures this season Buckner "only" had 12 sacks. There were multiple plays throughout the season where he generated quick pressure but couldn't finish, finding himself outmaneuvered in the backfield by a superior athlete, or simply lacking the burst to close the distance between himself and the quarterback once he had defeated his blocker.
.
Also, if he's best comparison is Calais Campbell, then he surey does not belong in the top 10..

what many of you guys are forgetting is that all these reports, good, bad, are done by representatives.. it goes beyond the back stage of the building, reps paying under the table to advertise their players more, or even paying reporters to put some dirt on other players..

LOL at 67 pressures and 12 sacks being a "weakness"....

I noticed you questioned his motor previously, so im left to assume you simply just dont know much about him, which is fine.

The fact that he might not fall to us just shows this guy is worth our #7 pick.

Originally posted by 9moon:

THIS IS WHAT I HIGHLIGHTED (AND MY REASON WHY I JUST DONT BELIEVE HE'S A TOP 10) FROM THE REPORT ABOVE..

Despite 67 total pressures this season Buckner "only" had 12 sacks. There were multiple plays throughout the season where he generated quick pressure but couldn't finish, finding himself outmaneuvered in the backfield by a superior athlete, or simply lacking the burst to close the distance between himself and the quarterback once he had defeated his blocker.
.
Also, if he's best comparison is Calais Campbell, then he surey does not belong in the top 10..

what many of you guys are forgetting is that all these reports, good, bad, are done by representatives.. it goes beyond the back stage of the building, reps paying under the table to advertise their players more, or even paying reporters to put some dirt on other players..

67 pressures and 12 sacks?! That's amazing!!!! Regardless of position those are great numbers. If generating pressure without getting a sack can be used as aweakness then EVERY pass rusher ever has a glaring weakness. Sacks don't tell the whole story. Sacks don't come easy, either. Pressuring the QB and disrupting the play=a big win IMO. Just look at the Super Bowl. Cam was pressured 21 times and sacked "only" 7 times.

Originally posted by IdahoNiner:

LOL at 67 pressures and 12 sacks being a "weakness"....

I noticed you questioned his motor previously, so im left to assume you simply just dont know much about him, which is fine.

Originally posted by saniner:

67 pressures and 12 sacks?! That's amazing!!!! Regardless of position those are great numbers. If generating pressure without getting a sack can be used as aweakness then EVERY pass rusher ever has a glaring weakness. Sacks don't tell the whole story. Sacks don't come easy, either. Pressuring the QB and disrupting the play=a big win IMO. Just look at the Super Bowl. Cam was pressured 21 times and sacked "only" 7 times.

It's ridiculous really lol...I value everyone's opinion whether I agree with that or not but for the love of god back it up with some sort of facts....or at very least say you just don't like him because you don't like players from Oregon or you hate the name deforest lol don't make stuff up

I am not gonna waste my time if I'm just making up stuff.. bottom line is, I saw about 6 games minimum of Oregon, this year, and last year .. Ive been outspoken of Armstead all of last year, and again, you will find out that Buckner doesnt deserve to be a TOP 10 pick..

The guy's value blew up after the season because of his imposing size, but he was not all dominating.. his 13 sacks or whatever that was, is what he supposed to get because Oregon was winning their and ahead most of their games.. and this is the complaint I have with Armstead..

Oregon 2 years ago was a better football team, and yet, Arik only had 2.5 sacks.. Buckner is a better player than Arik, but no doubt in my mind that he's not even better than Nkemdiche or those guys from Clemson.

83 tackles in 13 games for a 34 DE is mindblowing. Projected out to a 16 game season, that would be 102 tackles. To give a frame of reference, in his 2015 Defensive Player of the Year stats. JJ Watt had 76 total tackles in 16 games. Calais Campbell had 61 tackles in 2015, the great Aaron Donald (as a 43 DT) had 69.

Of course, nobody is projecting Buckner out to 102 tackles per year, but the volume of tackles, and only 4 games of no sacks in 2015, competing against the likes of Joshua Garnett and Jake Conklin, is pretty phenomenal.

Of course, nobody knows how this will all play out, but he is a very good college football player with all the tools to be an NFL stud.

Matt Miller ‏@nfldraftscout If you told me DeForest Buckner is a better DL than Joey Bosa, I don't think I'd argue. Top 5 player talk isn't crazy

Originally posted by 9moon:
I am not gonna waste my time if I'm just making up stuff.. bottom line is, I saw about 6 games minimum of Oregon, this year, and last year .. Ive been outspoken of Armstead all of last year, and again, you will find out that Buckner doesnt deserve to be a TOP 10 pick..

The guy's value blew up after the season because of his imposing size, but he was not all dominating.. his 13 sacks or whatever that was, is what he supposed to get because Oregon was winning their and ahead most of their games.. and this is the complaint I have with Armstead..

Oregon 2 years ago was a better football team, and yet, Arik only had 2.5 sacks.. Buckner is a better player than Arik, but no doubt in my mind that he's not even better than Nkemdiche or those guys from Clemson.

but you did make stuff up about his "reps" paying off analysis to boost his stock lol...not only is this not true because they were talking him up before he even had reps, but it would totally ruin places like PFF's creditably to do something like that.

13 sacks for a 3-4 DE is stupid good! you talk about him not having a motor yet he played 100 snaps in two different games lol. You don't backup any of your BS on here...MadDog just stated he had 83 tackles in a span of 13 games! Yeah no motor there Face it you don't like him because you think he's the same player as AA and for some reason you don't like him. Maybe you don't like Oregon or hate the name Deforest I don't really know.

Originally posted by 9moon:
I am not gonna waste my time if I'm just making up stuff.. bottom line is, I saw about 6 games minimum of Oregon, this year, and last year .. Ive been outspoken of Armstead all of last year, and again, you will find out that Buckner doesnt deserve to be a TOP 10 pick..

The guy's value blew up after the season because of his imposing size, but he was not all dominating.. his 13 sacks or whatever that was, is what he supposed to get because Oregon was winning their and ahead most of their games.. and this is the complaint I have with Armstead..

Oregon 2 years ago was a better football team, and yet, Arik only had 2.5 sacks.. Buckner is a better player than Arik, but no doubt in my mind that he's not even better than Nkemdiche or those guys from Clemson.

You also need to take into account that Oregon's defensive backfield was awful last year, so he probably lost a lot of sacks because of that.

Originally posted by TexasDuck:

Originally posted by 9moon:

I am not gonna waste my time if I'm just making up stuff.. bottom line is, I saw about 6 games minimum of Oregon, this year, and last year .. Ive been outspoken of Armstead all of last year, and again, you will find out that Buckner doesnt deserve to be a TOP 10 pick..

The guy's value blew up after the season because of his imposing size, but he was not all dominating.. his 13 sacks or whatever that was, is what he supposed to get because Oregon was winning their and ahead most of their games.. and this is the complaint I have with Armstead..

Oregon 2 years ago was a better football team, and yet, Arik only had 2.5 sacks.. Buckner is a better player than Arik, but no doubt in my mind that he's not even better than Nkemdiche or those guys from Clemson.

You also need to take into account that Oregon's defensive backfield was awful last year, so he probably lost a lot of sacks because of that.

How dare you bring up stuff like that