DeForest Buckner DL - Oregon

Originally posted by Andra:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Lol and if you were a Chargers fan you would also have no doubt in your mind that the Bolts don't pass on Buckner.

I'm sensing a bias.

That was a good idea,so I googled a San Diego Chargers forum most fans want Tunsil, Jack, Conklin, and Buckner, in that order.
That being said I think that there's a solid chance that they take Buckner. I just hope they don't. I want him.

I don't agree with them about Jack since they have Te'o and Perryman. Te'o is solid player when he's healthy and I just saw Te'o a week ago swimming at the Sheraton Waikiki that fool is healthy. lol

But thanks for searching and that's pretty much what I expected.

Originally posted by Since07:

Originally posted by Andra:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Lol and if you were a Chargers fan you would also have no doubt in your mind that the Bolts don't pass on Buckner.

I'm sensing a bias.

That was a good idea,so I googled a San Diego Chargers forum most fans want Tunsil, Jack, Conklin, and Buckner, in that order.
That being said I think that there's a solid chance that they take Buckner. I just hope they don't. I want him.

Why wouldn't they want Ramsey? They just lost Eric Weddle

Probably because Buckner would be the best D-lineman they'd have if drafted. Mebane would be outta place IMO at DE, they'd be much better off with him in the middle while Buckner and Liuget man the Ends.

I also think their secondary is in much better shape than the D-line, they have Verrett, Flowers and Casey Hayward. They can always go Karl Joseph or Darian Thompson in the 2nd.

I honestly think they would be pretty dumb to take Ramsey when Buckner would improve their defense much more. Their DL could not hold up against the run last year, why on earth would you take a DB.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Andra:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Lol and if you were a Chargers fan you would also have no doubt in your mind that the Bolts don't pass on Buckner.

I'm sensing a bias.

That was a good idea,so I googled a San Diego Chargers forum most fans want Tunsil, Jack, Conklin, and Buckner, in that order.
That being said I think that there's a solid chance that they take Buckner. I just hope they don't. I want him.

I don't agree with them about Jack since they have Te'o and Perryman. Te'o is solid player when he's healthy and I just saw Te'o a week ago swimming at the Sheraton Waikiki that fool is healthy. lol

But thanks for searching and that's pretty much what I expected.

Chargers want Jack to play safety.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Since07:

Originally posted by Andra:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Lol and if you were a Chargers fan you would also have no doubt in your mind that the Bolts don't pass on Buckner.

I'm sensing a bias.

That was a good idea,so I googled a San Diego Chargers forum most fans want Tunsil, Jack, Conklin, and Buckner, in that order.
That being said I think that there's a solid chance that they take Buckner. I just hope they don't. I want him.

Why wouldn't they want Ramsey? They just lost Eric Weddle

Probably because Buckner would be the best D-lineman they'd have if drafted. Mebane would be outta place IMO at DE, they'd be much better off with him in the middle while Buckner and Liuget man the Ends.

I also think their secondary is in much better shape than the D-line, they have Verrett, Flowers and Casey Hayward. They can always go Karl Joseph or Darian Thompson in the 2nd.

I honestly think they would be pretty dumb to take Ramsey when Buckner would improve their defense much more. Their DL could not hold up against the run last year, why on earth would you take a DB.

I went on the Ravens forum as well they had a pole on who they want with the #6 pick. Vernon Hargraves is winning by a landslide.

Originally posted by Andra:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Since07:

Originally posted by Andra:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Lol and if you were a Chargers fan you would also have no doubt in your mind that the Bolts don't pass on Buckner.

I'm sensing a bias.

That was a good idea,so I googled a San Diego Chargers forum most fans want Tunsil, Jack, Conklin, and Buckner, in that order.
That being said I think that there's a solid chance that they take Buckner. I just hope they don't. I want him.

Why wouldn't they want Ramsey? They just lost Eric Weddle

Probably because Buckner would be the best D-lineman they'd have if drafted. Mebane would be outta place IMO at DE, they'd be much better off with him in the middle while Buckner and Liuget man the Ends.

I also think their secondary is in much better shape than the D-line, they have Verrett, Flowers and Casey Hayward. They can always go Karl Joseph or Darian Thompson in the 2nd.

I honestly think they would be pretty dumb to take Ramsey when Buckner would improve their defense much more. Their DL could not hold up against the run last year, why on earth would you take a DB.

I went on the Ravens forum as well they had a pole on who they want with the #6 pick. Vernon Hargraves is winning by a landslide.

That would suck for us. It's very likely they could trade back with Philly and still get him.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Since07:

Originally posted by Andra:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Lol and if you were a Chargers fan you would also have no doubt in your mind that the Bolts don't pass on Buckner.

I'm sensing a bias.

That was a good idea,so I googled a San Diego Chargers forum most fans want Tunsil, Jack, Conklin, and Buckner, in that order.
That being said I think that there's a solid chance that they take Buckner. I just hope they don't. I want him.

Why wouldn't they want Ramsey? They just lost Eric Weddle

Probably because Buckner would be the best D-lineman they'd have if drafted. Mebane would be outta place IMO at DE, they'd be much better off with him in the middle while Buckner and Liuget man the Ends.

I also think their secondary is in much better shape than the D-line, they have Verrett, Flowers and Casey Hayward. They can always go Karl Joseph or Darian Thompson in the 2nd.

I honestly think they would be pretty dumb to take Ramsey when Buckner would improve their defense much more. Their DL could not hold up against the run last year, why on earth would you take a DB.

See I disagree with that....their current safety situation is much much worse than their DL situation IMO. The drop off from Ramsey to the next safety is HUGE. He's regarded as the best player in the whole draft.

Joseph and Thompson aren't even in the same planet as Ramsey. Also you need to look at the draft as a whole there are really good DL prospects throughout this draft (one of the better DL draft classes in a while) Buckner is at the top of the list no doubt, but IMHO if I could come away with Ramsey and someone like Bullard, Jones, OR Butler with my first two picks vs Buckner and Joseph I think I'd created a better overall defense.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Since07:

Originally posted by Andra:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Lol and if you were a Chargers fan you would also have no doubt in your mind that the Bolts don't pass on Buckner.

I'm sensing a bias.

That was a good idea,so I googled a San Diego Chargers forum most fans want Tunsil, Jack, Conklin, and Buckner, in that order.
That being said I think that there's a solid chance that they take Buckner. I just hope they don't. I want him.

Why wouldn't they want Ramsey? They just lost Eric Weddle

Probably because Buckner would be the best D-lineman they'd have if drafted. Mebane would be outta place IMO at DE, they'd be much better off with him in the middle while Buckner and Liuget man the Ends.

I also think their secondary is in much better shape than the D-line, they have Verrett, Flowers and Casey Hayward. They can always go Karl Joseph or Darian Thompson in the 2nd.

I honestly think they would be pretty dumb to take Ramsey when Buckner would improve their defense much more. Their DL could not hold up against the run last year, why on earth would you take a DB.

See I disagree with that....their current safety situation is much much worse than their DL situation IMO. The drop off from Ramsey to the next safety is HUGE. He's regarded as the best player in the whole draft.

Joseph and Thompson aren't even in the same planet as Ramsey. Also you need to look at the draft as a whole there are really good DL prospects throughout this draft (one of the better DL draft classes in a while) Buckner is at the top of the list no doubt, but IMHO if I could come away with Ramsey and someone like Bullard, Jones, OR Butler with my first two picks vs Buckner and Joseph I think I'd created a better overall defense.

Again there is a real bias in your post, for one you don't draft a Safety in the top 5 unless he was the next Sean Taylor in which Jalen Ramsey is not. Ramsey is also very overrated IMO as a Corner, he's known for his big hits, if you watched Ramsey in college you'd see he allows a lot of completions and tackles high, something LaRon Landry was criticized for.

Btw you and can agree that Buckner trumps all the rest of the DT's in this draft, but Ramsey wouldn't even be the best CB in this class, best Safety no doubt but best CB no way you can sit there all you want and try to convince me otherwise but that ain't happening and you don't draft a Safety with the 3rd pick in the draft.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Since07:

Originally posted by Andra:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Lol and if you were a Chargers fan you would also have no doubt in your mind that the Bolts don't pass on Buckner.

I'm sensing a bias.

That was a good idea,so I googled a San Diego Chargers forum most fans want Tunsil, Jack, Conklin, and Buckner, in that order.
That being said I think that there's a solid chance that they take Buckner. I just hope they don't. I want him.

Why wouldn't they want Ramsey? They just lost Eric Weddle

Probably because Buckner would be the best D-lineman they'd have if drafted. Mebane would be outta place IMO at DE, they'd be much better off with him in the middle while Buckner and Liuget man the Ends.

I also think their secondary is in much better shape than the D-line, they have Verrett, Flowers and Casey Hayward. They can always go Karl Joseph or Darian Thompson in the 2nd.

I honestly think they would be pretty dumb to take Ramsey when Buckner would improve their defense much more. Their DL could not hold up against the run last year, why on earth would you take a DB.

See I disagree with that....their current safety situation is much much worse than their DL situation IMO. The drop off from Ramsey to the next safety is HUGE. He's regarded as the best player in the whole draft.

Joseph and Thompson aren't even in the same planet as Ramsey. Also you need to look at the draft as a whole there are really good DL prospects throughout this draft (one of the better DL draft classes in a while) Buckner is at the top of the list no doubt, but IMHO if I could come away with Ramsey and someone like Bullard, Jones, OR Butler with my first two picks vs Buckner and Joseph I think I'd created a better overall defense.

Again there is a real bias in your post, for one you don't draft a Safety in the top 5 unless he was the next Sean Taylor in which Jalen Ramsey is not. Ramsey is also very overrated IMO as a Corner, he's known for his big hits, if you watched Ramsey in college you'd see he allows a lot of completions and tackles high, something LaRon Landry was criticized for.

Btw you and can agree that Buckner trumps all the rest of the DT's in this draft, but Ramsey wouldn't even be the best CB in this class, best Safety no doubt but best CB no way you can sit there all you want and try to convince me otherwise but that ain't happening and you don't draft a Safety with the 3rd pick in the draft.

What bias do you keep talking about? They have nothing at safety and the drop from Ramsey to the next safety is epic....sounds like your the one a little bias to me lol. IF I was SD I'd rather have Ramsey and Bullard or Butler vs Buckner and Joseph all day everyday.

I bet most teams have Ramsey rated higher than Buckner on their Boards. Eric Berry was the 5th pick in the draft a couple years a ago Bucky Brooks wrote this about him and compared him to Charles Woodson. Safeties have become much much more important in today's game, especially someone as versatile as Ramsey

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000613154/article/fsus-jalen-ramsey-displays-unique-talents-at-defensive-back

Ramsey was the 1st freshman to start at CB at FSU since Sanders. Dude can be a big press-corner like Sherman or Smith OR be a safety like Woodson. OH and I've watched plenty of FSU games

I'm not saying they don't go Buckner, but IMO Ramsey is the better player and most mocks and analysts will agree.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Since07:

Originally posted by Andra:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Lol and if you were a Chargers fan you would also have no doubt in your mind that the Bolts don't pass on Buckner.

I'm sensing a bias.

That was a good idea,so I googled a San Diego Chargers forum most fans want Tunsil, Jack, Conklin, and Buckner, in that order.
That being said I think that there's a solid chance that they take Buckner. I just hope they don't. I want him.

Why wouldn't they want Ramsey? They just lost Eric Weddle

Probably because Buckner would be the best D-lineman they'd have if drafted. Mebane would be outta place IMO at DE, they'd be much better off with him in the middle while Buckner and Liuget man the Ends.

I also think their secondary is in much better shape than the D-line, they have Verrett, Flowers and Casey Hayward. They can always go Karl Joseph or Darian Thompson in the 2nd.

I honestly think they would be pretty dumb to take Ramsey when Buckner would improve their defense much more. Their DL could not hold up against the run last year, why on earth would you take a DB.

See I disagree with that....their current safety situation is much much worse than their DL situation IMO. The drop off from Ramsey to the next safety is HUGE. He's regarded as the best player in the whole draft.

Joseph and Thompson aren't even in the same planet as Ramsey. Also you need to look at the draft as a whole there are really good DL prospects throughout this draft (one of the better DL draft classes in a while) Buckner is at the top of the list no doubt, but IMHO if I could come away with Ramsey and someone like Bullard, Jones, OR Butler with my first two picks vs Buckner and Joseph I think I'd created a better overall defense.

Again there is a real bias in your post, for one you don't draft a Safety in the top 5 unless he was the next Sean Taylor in which Jalen Ramsey is not. Ramsey is also very overrated IMO as a Corner, he's known for his big hits, if you watched Ramsey in college you'd see he allows a lot of completions and tackles high, something LaRon Landry was criticized for.

Btw you and can agree that Buckner trumps all the rest of the DT's in this draft, but Ramsey wouldn't even be the best CB in this class, best Safety no doubt but best CB no way you can sit there all you want and try to convince me otherwise but that ain't happening and you don't draft a Safety with the 3rd pick in the draft.

What bias do you keep talking about? They have nothing at safety and the drop from Ramsey to the next safety is epic....sounds like your the one a little bias to me lol. IF I was SD I'd rather have Ramsey and Bullard or Butler vs Buckner and Joseph all day everyday.

I bet most teams have Ramsey rated higher than Buckner on their Boards. Eric Berry was the 5th pick in the draft a couple years a ago Bucky Brooks wrote this about him and compared him to Charles Woodson. Safeties have become much much more important in today's game, especially someone as versatile as Ramsey

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000613154/article/fsus-jalen-ramsey-displays-unique-talents-at-defensive-back

Ramsey was the 1st freshman to start at CB at FSU since Sanders. Dude can be a big press-corner like Sherman or Smith OR be a safety like Woodson. OH and I've watched plenty of FSU games

I'm not saying they don't go Buckner, but IMO Ramsey is the better player and most mocks and analysts will agree.

A bias of the idea of Buckner falling to the 49ers, c'mon tell me I'm wrong.

Seriously though, you don't see Safety's drafted in the top 3 unless they are a top flight CB too, and from what I've seen Ramsey is not. For as long as I can remember I've never seen a DB go top 3 and I will guarantee you Chargers DO NOT draft Ramsey with the #3 overall pick.

I also think many of you are buying into the hype of Ramsey being the best since Woodson. lol they say that crap about a player EVERY YEAR.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

A bias of the idea of Buckner falling to the 49ers, c'mon tell me I'm wrong.

Seriously though, you don't see Safety's drafted in the top 3 unless they are a top flight CB too, and from what I've seen Ramsey is not. For as long as I can remember I've never seen a DB go top 3 and I will guarantee you Chargers DO NOT draft Ramsey with the #3 overall pick.

I also think many of you are buying into the hype of Ramsey being the best since Woodson. lol they say that crap about a player EVERY YEAR.

without trading because we can't predict that.

1-Tunsil-They need a LT and there are reports that they are huge on Ramsey as well (if that happens Tunsil goes to SD for sure)
2-Goff-Still no reason to beleive they don't go QB
3-Ramsey-best player in the draft overall and fills a need
4-Wentz-reports are he's top three on their big board
5-Jack-this makes too much sense
6-Bosa-they've reported they they are big on Bosa and wouldn't let him get past them
7-Buckner-fills need BPA chip get's his recruit and he get's to work with his old roommate AA

it's not out of the realm AT ALL.

Like I said Ramsey was the first freshman to play CB at FSU since Sanders! dude can play both positions at a elite level.

here's what Rang said when he projected him to the Chargers

SAN DIEGO CHARGERS | #3 For nine seasons, Eric Weddle roamed the middle for San Diego, earning Pro Bowl nods three times. Despite his popularity, the Chargers opted to let Weddle walk in free agency, perhaps in part because the club saw Ramsey as a cheaper, younger and faster alternative. An Olympic-caliber athlete with instincts, size and physicality, Ramsey has starred all over the secondary and even at linebacker for the Seminoles, projecting best as a safety in the NFL.

Overview:

"It's rare to see defensive backs mentioned as worthy of the No. 1 overall selection in the NFL Draft, but Ramsey deserves it with his natural playmaking skills. He can play cornerback (inside or outside), but his best NFL fit is in a nickel or safety role.

As a true sophomore in 2014, he led the Seminoles with 14 passes defended and finished second on the team with 9.5 tackles for loss, adding 79 tackles, three sacks and two interceptions. Ramsey occasionally lined up as Florida State's starting free safety in 2014, also moving inside as the "big" nickel defender and showing his versatility as a cornerback and hybrid safety/linebacker.

Ramsey moved to boundary cornerback as a junior in 2015 and although he didn't record an interception, Ramsey led the Seminoles in passes defended (10) for the second straight season, earning First Team All-ACC honors."


Please tell me when a safety/CB get's compared to Woodson every year??

3 of the 5 analysis on CBS Sports have him going to the Chargers.....Brooks and jeremiah have him going to the Chargers as well.

I'm not saying they don't go Buckner but you make it sound like there's not a chance he goes the SD which is just silly given the need, lack of depth in the draft, and the star potential he brings.

And that's all fine and dandy about Eric Weddle, but where was he drafted again, remind me, my memory seems to have slipped a little. I also think you're proving my point that a DB can be had in the next few rounds.

Btw I could careless about Ramsey's credentials, again there's always a DB to come around in the draft that is the next Ronnie Lott, Sean Taylor or Ed Reed. Antrell Rolle was suppose to be the next best thing, same goes for Michael Huff, LaRon Landry and so on.

I also think you read too much into reports and stick to them, not sure if you've ever heard of something called smoke screen??

One more question I have for you that coaches on all levels has said and mentioned.......football starts in the where.......in the trenches.

Originally posted by Kolohe:
And that's all fine and dandy about Eric Weddle, but where was he drafted again, remind me, my memory seems to have slipped a little. I also think you're proving my point that a DB can be had in the next few rounds.

Btw I could careless about Ramsey's credentials, again there's always a DB to come around in the draft that is the next Ronnie Lott, Sean Taylor or Ed Reed. Antrell Rolle was suppose to be the next best thing, same goes for Michael Huff, LaRon Landry and so on.

I also think you read too much into reports and stick to them, not sure if you've ever heard of something called smoke screen??

One more question I have for you that coaches on all levels has said and mentioned.......football starts in the where.......in the trenches.

lol ahhh yes his credentials of playing CB at a high level, starting as a freshman at a top 10 collegiate organization is meaningless Where was Calais Campbell drafted?? Can you remind me again??

you keep throwing LaRon Landry around, but Ramsey is nothing like him...what smokescreen? every single draft analysts is throwing smokescreens? SD hasn't said anything regarding either players and both have been evaluated by SD. It's one thing to say S/CB facts are this draft is deep at DT and outside of Ramsey is awful at safety.

I think it's ridiculous that you don't think Ramsey has a chance at going 3.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
And that's all fine and dandy about Eric Weddle, but where was he drafted again, remind me, my memory seems to have slipped a little. I also think you're proving my point that a DB can be had in the next few rounds.

Btw I could careless about Ramsey's credentials, again there's always a DB to come around in the draft that is the next Ronnie Lott, Sean Taylor or Ed Reed. Antrell Rolle was suppose to be the next best thing, same goes for Michael Huff, LaRon Landry and so on.

I also think you read too much into reports and stick to them, not sure if you've ever heard of something called smoke screen??

One more question I have for you that coaches on all levels has said and mentioned.......football starts in the where.......in the trenches.

lol ahhh yes his credentials of playing CB at a high level, starting as a freshman at a top 10 collegiate organization is meaningless Where was Calais Campbell drafted?? Can you remind me again??

you keep throwing LaRon Landry around, but Ramsey is nothing like him...what smokescreen? every single draft analysts is throwing smokescreens? SD hasn't said anything regarding either players and both have been evaluated by SD. It's one thing to say S/CB facts are this draft is deep at DT and outside of Ramsey is awful at safety.

I think it's ridiculous that you don't think Ramsey has a chance at going 3.

Campbell is a 4-3 DE NOT a dominant 3-4 DE, no comparison there, but further proves my point that trenches would be far more important hence Mario Williams going #1 overall. Who was that DB to go #1 overall again??

Btw I'm not comparing Landry to Ramsey, all I'm saying is that there's always a DB to come around that the media will claim is a special talent.

In the last 15 Drafts NO DB, none, nada, zip, zero has ever been drafted in the top 3. In the last 15 Drafts 10 DT/DE's have been drafted in the top 3 and 3 of them went #1 overall. I'm gonna go with history on this one, teams know trenches are far more important than some Youtube DB.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Campbell is a 4-3 DE NOT a dominant 3-4 DE, no comparison there, but further proves my point that trenches would be far more important hence Mario Williams going #1 overall. Who was that DB to go #1 overall again??

Btw I'm not comparing Landry to Ramsey, all I'm saying is that there's always a DB to come around that the media will claim is a special talent.

In the last 15 Drafts NO DB, none, nada, zip, zero has ever been drafted in the top 3. In the last 15 Drafts 10 DT/DE's have been drafted in the top 3 and 3 of them went #1 overall. I'm gonna go with history on this one, teams know trenches are far more important than some Youtube DB.

What are you talking about Campbell is a 3-4 DE! He's paid as a 3-4 DE and bleacher report just named him the 7th best 3-4 DE in the league, who does Buckner get compared to all the time? Campbell,Your wayyyy of base on that.


Listen you have your opionion on the matter I have mind...I don't care if a DB hasn't been drafted top 3, I look at the talent of THIS draft and who ranks on my board along with draft analysists....most if not all have him higher than Buckner and DBs are becoming more and more important.

We will see come draft day....a team that has issues all over the place should take the best player and Ramsey is regarded as a better overall prospect and it's at a major position of need.

Originally posted by Kolohe:
And that's all fine and dandy about Eric Weddle, but where was he drafted again, remind me, my memory seems to have slipped a little. I also think you're proving my point that a DB can be had in the next few rounds.

Btw I could careless about Ramsey's credentials, again there's always a DB to come around in the draft that is the next Ronnie Lott, Sean Taylor or Ed Reed. Antrell Rolle was suppose to be the next best thing, same goes for Michael Huff, LaRon Landry and so on.

I also think you read too much into reports and stick to them, not sure if you've ever heard of something called smoke screen??

One more question I have for you that coaches on all levels has said and mentioned.......football starts in the where.......in the trenches.

For what it is worth, the only way I see Buckner going to the Chargers is if both Ramsey and Tunsil are off the board. Ramsey is widely regarded as the best player in the draft and would fill an immediate need. If Tunsil was somehow still on the board at #3, the Chargers would take all of about 5 seconds to pick him considering their OL performed worse than the 49ers did last year. An elite left tackle prospect could extend the career of Phillip Rivers.

To me the most likely team for Buckner ahead of #7 is still Baltimore.