DeForest Buckner DL - Oregon

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Campbell is a 4-3 DE NOT a dominant 3-4 DE, no comparison there, but further proves my point that trenches would be far more important hence Mario Williams going #1 overall. Who was that DB to go #1 overall again??

Btw I'm not comparing Landry to Ramsey, all I'm saying is that there's always a DB to come around that the media will claim is a special talent.

In the last 15 Drafts NO DB, none, nada, zip, zero has ever been drafted in the top 3. In the last 15 Drafts 10 DT/DE's have been drafted in the top 3 and 3 of them went #1 overall. I'm gonna go with history on this one, teams know trenches are far more important than some Youtube DB.

What are you talking about Campbell is a 3-4 DE! He's paid as a 3-4 DE and bleacher report just named him the 7th best 3-4 DE in the league, who does Buckner get compared to all the time? Campbell,Your wayyyy of base on that.


Listen you have your opionion on the matter I have mind...I don't care if a DB hasn't been drafted top 3, I look at the talent of THIS draft and who ranks on my board along with draft analysists....most if not all have him higher than Buckner and DBs are becoming more and more important.

We will see come draft day....a team that has issues all over the place should take the best player and Ramsey is regarded as a better overall prospect and it's at a major position of need.

Didn't know Campbell played in a 3-4 now, coming outta college I always thought he was a 4-3 guy, oh well no biggie. One thing to note, out of the 10 D-lineman to be drafted in the top 3 in the last 15 years, only one has really turned out to be a bust in Dion Jordan, Jadeveon Clowney is still a question mark IMO.

Just for s**ts and giggles, remember when Antrel Rolle was thought to be drafted #1 overall by the 49ers. lol

Also it's really a matter of opinion that Ramsey is the best player in the draft, no telling what teams are rating who the best player in the draft is, or was there team meetings on the consensus??

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Campbell is a 4-3 DE NOT a dominant 3-4 DE, no comparison there, but further proves my point that trenches would be far more important hence Mario Williams going #1 overall. Who was that DB to go #1 overall again??

Btw I'm not comparing Landry to Ramsey, all I'm saying is that there's always a DB to come around that the media will claim is a special talent.

In the last 15 Drafts NO DB, none, nada, zip, zero has ever been drafted in the top 3. In the last 15 Drafts 10 DT/DE's have been drafted in the top 3 and 3 of them went #1 overall. I'm gonna go with history on this one, teams know trenches are far more important than some Youtube DB.

What are you talking about Campbell is a 3-4 DE! He's paid as a 3-4 DE and bleacher report just named him the 7th best 3-4 DE in the league, who does Buckner get compared to all the time? Campbell,Your wayyyy of base on that.


Listen you have your opionion on the matter I have mind...I don't care if a DB hasn't been drafted top 3, I look at the talent of THIS draft and who ranks on my board along with draft analysists....most if not all have him higher than Buckner and DBs are becoming more and more important.

We will see come draft day....a team that has issues all over the place should take the best player and Ramsey is regarded as a better overall prospect and it's at a major position of need.

Didn't know Campbell played in a 3-4 now, coming outta college I always thought he was a 4-3 guy, oh well no biggie. One thing to note, out of the 10 D-lineman to be drafted in the top 3 in the last 15 years, only one has really turned out to be a bust in Dion Jordan, Jadeveon Clowney is still a question mark IMO.

Just for s**ts and giggles, remember when Antrel Rolle was thought to be drafted #1 overall by the 49ers. lol

Also it's really a matter of opinion that Ramsey is the best player in the draft, no telling what teams are rating who the best player in the draft is, or was there team meetings on the consensus??

I wouldn't say Tyson Jackson is killing it, Chris Long IMO wasn't worth the 2nd pick,granted Gholston was the 6th pick but he was bust city,Gaines Adams was the 4th overall pick ,Courtney Brown at #1 there are busts at every position.

my real argument is your basically saying there's no way they draft Ramsey and I disagree....I get the value of a position (DL vs S/CB) but when a player is regarded as the best player in the draft by a lot of people and also plays a position of need the value of the position kinda devalues IMO.

we will see....don't be surprised if SD goes Ramsey or he even get's drafted before that.

with all that said I think one of the follow will be there at seven...Wentz, Goff, Bosa, Buckner, Jack and I'm cool with taking any of them

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Didn't know Campbell played in a 3-4 now, coming outta college I always thought he was a 4-3 guy, oh well no biggie. One thing to note, out of the 10 D-lineman to be drafted in the top 3 in the last 15 years, only one has really turned out to be a bust in Dion Jordan, Jadeveon Clowney is still a question mark IMO.

Just for s**ts and giggles, remember when Antrel Rolle was thought to be drafted #1 overall by the 49ers. lol

Also it's really a matter of opinion that Ramsey is the best player in the draft, no telling what teams are rating who the best player in the draft is, or was there team meetings on the consensus??

NFL Media analyst Charles Davis believes that the Chargers would be a perfect fit for FSU DB Jalen Ramsey.

Ramsey opened Davis' list of the top instant-impact players from this draft class. Wrote the analyst, "No matter which position he plays [between safety or corner], he'll be a difference maker as a rookie." Barring the Titans selecting the 6-foot-1, 209-pound defensive dynamo with the first overall selection, he likely would be available to the Chargers at No. 3 (assuming the Browns select a quarterback). Lurking just behind them, Dallas at No. 4. TFY Draft Insider's Tony Pauline hears that Ramsey sits atop the Cowboy draft board.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Didn't know Campbell played in a 3-4 now, coming outta college I always thought he was a 4-3 guy, oh well no biggie. One thing to note, out of the 10 D-lineman to be drafted in the top 3 in the last 15 years, only one has really turned out to be a bust in Dion Jordan, Jadeveon Clowney is still a question mark IMO.

Just for s**ts and giggles, remember when Antrel Rolle was thought to be drafted #1 overall by the 49ers. lol

Also it's really a matter of opinion that Ramsey is the best player in the draft, no telling what teams are rating who the best player in the draft is, or was there team meetings on the consensus??

NFL Media analyst Charles Davis believes that the Chargers would be a perfect fit for FSU DB Jalen Ramsey.

Ramsey opened Davis' list of the top instant-impact players from this draft class. Wrote the analyst, "No matter which position he plays [between safety or corner], he'll be a difference maker as a rookie." Barring the Titans selecting the 6-foot-1, 209-pound defensive dynamo with the first overall selection, he likely would be available to the Chargers at No. 3 (assuming the Browns select a quarterback). Lurking just behind them, Dallas at No. 4. TFY Draft Insider's Tony Pauline hears that Ramsey sits atop the Cowboy draft board.

Again, you're buying into media hype, just curious NY is this your first draft??

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Campbell is a 4-3 DE NOT a dominant 3-4 DE, no comparison there, but further proves my point that trenches would be far more important hence Mario Williams going #1 overall. Who was that DB to go #1 overall again??

Btw I'm not comparing Landry to Ramsey, all I'm saying is that there's always a DB to come around that the media will claim is a special talent.

In the last 15 Drafts NO DB, none, nada, zip, zero has ever been drafted in the top 3. In the last 15 Drafts 10 DT/DE's have been drafted in the top 3 and 3 of them went #1 overall. I'm gonna go with history on this one, teams know trenches are far more important than some Youtube DB.

What are you talking about Campbell is a 3-4 DE! He's paid as a 3-4 DE and bleacher report just named him the 7th best 3-4 DE in the league, who does Buckner get compared to all the time? Campbell,Your wayyyy of base on that.


Listen you have your opionion on the matter I have mind...I don't care if a DB hasn't been drafted top 3, I look at the talent of THIS draft and who ranks on my board along with draft analysists....most if not all have him higher than Buckner and DBs are becoming more and more important.

We will see come draft day....a team that has issues all over the place should take the best player and Ramsey is regarded as a better overall prospect and it's at a major position of need.

Didn't know Campbell played in a 3-4 now, coming outta college I always thought he was a 4-3 guy, oh well no biggie. One thing to note, out of the 10 D-lineman to be drafted in the top 3 in the last 15 years, only one has really turned out to be a bust in Dion Jordan, Jadeveon Clowney is still a question mark IMO.

Just for s**ts and giggles, remember when Antrel Rolle was thought to be drafted #1 overall by the 49ers. lol

Also it's really a matter of opinion that Ramsey is the best player in the draft, no telling what teams are rating who the best player in the draft is, or was there team meetings on the consensus??

I wouldn't say Tyson Jackson is killing it, Chris Long IMO wasn't worth the 2nd pick,granted Gholston was the 6th pick but he was bust city,Gaines Adams was the 4th overall pick ,Courtney Brown at #1 there are busts at every position.

my real argument is your basically saying there's no way they draft Ramsey and I disagree....I get the value of a position (DL vs S/CB) but when a player is regarded as the best player in the draft by a lot of people and also plays a position of need the value of the position kinda devalues IMO.

we will see....don't be surprised if SD goes Ramsey or he even get's drafted before that.

with all that said I think one of the follow will be there at seven...Wentz, Goff, Bosa, Buckner, Jack and I'm cool with taking any of them

I wouldn't call Tyson Jackson or Chris Long a bust either. Gholston and Adams are irrelevant I thought we were talking about top 3 picks. I also wouldn't go there if I were you it hasn't looked that much better for DB's in the top 10??

And yes I am on record saying that I guarantee you that the Chargers don't draft Ramsey.

It's like you really believe that if a prospect visits team head quarters that team will get him.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I wouldn't say Tyson Jackson is killing it, Chris Long IMO wasn't worth the 2nd pick,granted Gholston was the 6th pick but he was bust city,Gaines Adams was the 4th overall pick ,Courtney Brown at #1 there are busts at every position.

my real argument is your basically saying there's no way they draft Ramsey and I disagree....I get the value of a position (DL vs S/CB) but when a player is regarded as the best player in the draft by a lot of people and also plays a position of need the value of the position kinda devalues IMO.

we will see....don't be surprised if SD goes Ramsey or he even get's drafted before that.

with all that said I think one of the follow will be there at seven...Wentz, Goff, Bosa, Buckner, Jack and I'm cool with taking any of them

Agree

They have to replace Weddle and why not get the best.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Again, you're buying into media hype, just curious NY is this your first draft??

HA rude! I do value the opinion of people like Davis, Jeremiah, mayock etc all who have been raving about him...and it's not hype dude his a top prospect in the draft and for good reason.

Did you not watch him play for the past 3 yrs??

Originally posted by Kolohe:

I wouldn't call Tyson Jackson or Chris Long a bust either. Gholston and Adams are irrelevant I thought we were talking about top 3 picks. I also wouldn't go there if I were you it hasn't looked that much better for DB's in the top 10??

And yes I am on record saying that I guarantee you that the Chargers don't draft Ramsey.

It's like you really believe that if a prospect visits team head quarters that team will get him.

Jackson was the 74th ranks interior DL this past season in Atlanta, you don't exspect top 3 players to leave the team they were drafted by unless they didn't feel they were worth keeping IMO.

Where did I say if a team has a guy visit him that means they are gonna draft him? I'm simply saying they've showed interest in him and should his very good.

We will see

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
I wouldn't call Tyson Jackson or Chris Long a bust either. Gholston and Adams are irrelevant I thought we were talking about top 3 picks. I also wouldn't go there if I were you it hasn't looked that much better for DB's in the top 10??

And yes I am on record saying that I guarantee you that the Chargers don't draft Ramsey.

It's like you really believe that if a prospect visits team head quarters that team will get him.

Jackson was the 74th ranks interior DL this past season in Atlanta, you don't exspect top 3 players to leave the team they were drafted by unless they didn't feel they were worth keeping IMO.

Where did I say if a team has a guy visit him that means they are gonna draft him? I'm simply saying they've showed interest in him and should his very good.

We will see

Don't really wanna get into another turn in the thread but Jackson has been in different defenses over the years which lead to different assignments. Either way, I don't consider him a bust, he was decent with KC. Also why are you bringing ratings into the discussion after the player has been in the league what 7 years, reaching bro.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Again, you're buying into media hype, just curious NY is this your first draft??

HA rude! I do value the opinion of people like Davis, Jeremiah, mayock etc all who have been raving about him...and it's not hype dude his a top prospect in the draft and for good reason.

Did you not watch him play for the past 3 yrs??

Well I'll honestly say I didn't follow him the whole season, but please enlighten me on why he's much better in coverage than Hargreaves, Apple or Alexander??

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Again, you're buying into media hype, just curious NY is this your first draft??

HA rude! I do value the opinion of people like Davis, Jeremiah, mayock etc all who have been raving about him...and it's not hype dude his a top prospect in the draft and for good reason.

Did you not watch him play for the past 3 yrs??

Well I'll honestly say I didn't follow him the whole season, but please enlighten me on why he's much better in coverage than Hargreaves, Apple or Alexander??

He's a safety more than a CB IMO but can be a great press coner as well...his arms are almost 34 inches and at 210 lbs he runs a 4.4. in 2013 he has 12 pass break ups 2 INTs and 9 tackles for a lossas a safety...last year they needed him to play corner and he still lead he team in pass breakups.

He can play all over the field and played some LB as well, he's a straight up football player much like Jack. Like you said SD doesn't need a CB but they do need a stud safety.

We will have a answer in two weeks, no sense to keep arguing go watch some of his tapes if you want good convo

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Well I'll honestly say I didn't follow him the whole season, but please enlighten me on why he's much better in coverage than Hargreaves, Apple or Alexander??

He's a lot more versatile than any of those guys, he can play in the slot, can play outside, can play safety, matches up against WR's and TE's, he is better at pressing than any of those guys, won't get beaten deep, QB's competed about 30% of the passes that were thrown towards Ramsey. The average QB rating was around 40.

He's got some weaknesses similar to other bigger DB's, can struggle with quicker receivers, but I don't have any trouble seeing him as the best player in this draft and he's drawn comparisons to people such as deceased former Redskins safety Sean Taylor. I think if you pair him up with an especially creative defensive coordinator he can be quite a weapon on defense.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Again, you're buying into media hype, just curious NY is this your first draft??

HA rude! I do value the opinion of people like Davis, Jeremiah, mayock etc all who have been raving about him...and it's not hype dude his a top prospect in the draft and for good reason.

Did you not watch him play for the past 3 yrs??

Well I'll honestly say I didn't follow him the whole season, but please enlighten me on why he's much better in coverage than Hargreaves, Apple or Alexander??

He's a safety more than a CB IMO but can be a great press coner as well...his arms are almost 34 inches and at 210 lbs he runs a 4.4. in 2013 he has 12 pass break ups 2 INTs and 9 tackles for a lossas a safety...last year they needed him to play corner and he still lead he team in pass breakups.

He can play all over the field and played some LB as well, he's a straight up football player much like Jack. Like you said SD doesn't need a CB but they do need a stud safety.

We will have a answer in two weeks, no sense to keep arguing go watch some of his tapes if you want good convo

Chargers need O line 1, D line 2, and Safety 3.

Ramsey is no where near the force Sean Taylor was from a physicality standpoint. He definitely has the tools to be a top notch cover guy but there is a lot of hype surrounding him. He may never live up to the label some are placing on him.

I know this is a Buckner thread but Bosa is the best player in this draft IMHO. A lot of people are hating on him saying a "5 technique" shouldn't go 1 (1). Wrong. He is an absolute stud.

J.J. Watt Combine Numbers
6'5" 290 Pounds 34 Inch Arms 11 1/8 Inch Hands
4.84 40
34 Reps
37 Vertical
120 Broad
6.88 3-Cone
4.21 20-Yard Shuttle

Joey Bosa Combine Numbers
6'5" 269 Pounds 33 3/8 Inch Arms 10 1/4 Inch Hands
4.86 40 (4.77 at Pro Day)
24 Reps
32 Vertical
120 Broad
6.89 3-Cone
4.21 20-Yard Shuttle

Now obviously I am not saying he will be a Watt clone but there is some similar athleticism with Bosa. I think people are putting too much stock into his lower production in 2015. Best player in this class for me.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Again, you're buying into media hype, just curious NY is this your first draft??

HA rude! I do value the opinion of people like Davis, Jeremiah, mayock etc all who have been raving about him...and it's not hype dude his a top prospect in the draft and for good reason.

Did you not watch him play for the past 3 yrs??

Well I'll honestly say I didn't follow him the whole season, but please enlighten me on why he's much better in coverage than Hargreaves, Apple or Alexander??

He's a safety more than a CB IMO but can be a great press coner as well...his arms are almost 34 inches and at 210 lbs he runs a 4.4. in 2013 he has 12 pass break ups 2 INTs and 9 tackles for a lossas a safety...last year they needed him to play corner and he still lead he team in pass breakups.

He can play all over the field and played some LB as well, he's a straight up football player much like Jack. Like you said SD doesn't need a CB but they do need a stud safety.

We will have a answer in two weeks, no sense to keep arguing go watch some of his tapes if you want good convo

But that's just it, you don't draft a SAFETY within the top 5, I'm not sure why teams DIDN'T draft one there because Sean Taylor and Eric Berry should've been #2 and #3 overall picks IMO they were/are just that much of a difference maker on the field.

But you're right no sense in keep arguing, and trust me I've kept an eye out for more of the top 20 prospects this year including Ramsey who I thought was top 15 at best till the media starting hyping him up as the best DB on the planet. I have Hargreaves rated higher because of better ball skills and then some....