DeForest Buckner DL - Oregon

Originally posted by Trath44:
So what? That doesn't change the fact that Smith is a better athlete. He had a great bull rush as well even being smaller.

you said he wasn't as athletic because of this 40 and you didn't factor in that Buckner is almost 30 lbs bigger....it does change.

Originally posted by Heroism:
You would have to leapfrog 6 because ozzy newsome doesn't pass on blue chip talents on defense like Buckner.

Joey Bosa isn't a blue chip player? Daniel Jeremiah said he'd Bosa would be a perfect fit for them. I'll take either one personally

Originally posted by SoCold:
6th pick is 1,600 points
7th is 1,500

4th round pick 100 is worth 100

49ers have pick 105 worth 84 points (their other 4th can't be traded)

It would take swapping first and their 3rd #68 worth 250

Thanks!

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Joey Bosa isn't a blue chip player? Daniel Jeremiah said he'd Bosa would be a perfect fit for them. I'll take either one personally

Just my opinion, but you have to be a damn moron if you're running a 3-4 and choose Bosa over Buckner.

I lost all my hope on drafting Goff, so I'm all in on Buckner! I'd love to have a beefy Defensive line again and dominate.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Joey Bosa isn't a blue chip player? Daniel Jeremiah said he'd Bosa would be a perfect fit for them. I'll take either one personally

Just my opinion, but you have to be a damn moron if you're running a 3-4 and choose Bosa over Buckner.

Why a damn moron??

Both probably won't be there at the same time at #7 so kinda irrelevant, but the 49ers couldn't go wrong with either one.

BUT if I had to choose, my two questions I would ask myself if both were available:

1. Could/Should I go into the season with Eli Harold and Aaron Lynch as my starters??

or

2. Could/Should I go into the season with Armstead and Dial as my starters??

For me personally, I think Armstead showed more potential than Harold, so to answer my question I would feel content to go with Armstead and Dial and select Joey Bosa #7 overall. Thank You very much.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Joey Bosa isn't a blue chip player? Daniel Jeremiah said he'd Bosa would be a perfect fit for them. I'll take either one personally

Just my opinion, but you have to be a damn moron if you're running a 3-4 and choose Bosa over Buckner.

Why a damn moron??

Both probably won't be there at the same time at #7 so kinda irrelevant, but the 49ers couldn't go wrong with either one.

BUT if I had to choose, my two questions I would ask myself if both were available:

1. Could/Should I go into the season with Eli Harold and Aaron Lynch as my starters??

or

2. Could/Should I go into the season with Armstead and Dial as my starters??

For me personally, I think Armstead showed more potential than Harold, so to answer my question I would feel content to go with Armstead and Dial and select Joey Bosa #7 overall. Thank You very much.

Because Buckner is a better 3-4 DE than Bosa would be a 3-4 OLB from day one. Not to say that Bosa can't become a good OLB but I think he'd be a better fit on a 4-3 team.

Buckner is as close to a day 1 starter Trent is going to find, IMO.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Joey Bosa isn't a blue chip player? Daniel Jeremiah said he'd Bosa would be a perfect fit for them. I'll take either one personally

Just my opinion, but you have to be a damn moron if you're running a 3-4 and choose Bosa over Buckner.

Bosa is a blue chip player as well. He actually gotten a ton of comps to T Suggs who's going on 34 coming off a torn Achilles. Buckner would be a solid pick but don't count out Bosa either.

I'd be more than happy if one of the two were there at 7

Originally posted by SoCold:
Because Buckner is a better 3-4 DE than Bosa would be a 3-4 OLB from day one. Not to say that Bosa can't become a good OLB but I think he'd be a better fit on a 4-3 team.

Buckner is as close to a day 1 starter Trent is going to find, IMO.

Bosa get's compared to Suggs all over the place. I don't see why Bosa can't be a pro-bowl OLB. I don't really care about 40xs for OLB, his 3-cone and 20 yard dash were 2nd among all DEs. He's got a motor on him, powerful hands, and took on double/triple teams all year and still brought the pressure.

I agree Buckner is without a doubt the best 3-4 DE but they are much much younger at DE with Williams and Jernigan (27 &23) vs Suggs and Dumervil (34 & 33).

I don't think they go wrong with either.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SoCold:
Because Buckner is a better 3-4 DE than Bosa would be a 3-4 OLB from day one. Not to say that Bosa can't become a good OLB but I think he'd be a better fit on a 4-3 team.

Buckner is as close to a day 1 starter Trent is going to find, IMO.

Bosa get's compared to Suggs all over the place. I don't see why Bosa can't be a pro-bowl OLB. I don't really care about 40xs for OLB, his 3-cone and 20 yard dash were 2nd among all DEs. He's got a motor on him, powerful hands, and took on double/triple teams all year and still brought the pressure.

I agree Buckner is without a doubt the best 3-4 DE but they are much much younger at DE with Williams and Jernigan (27 &23) vs Suggs and Dumervil (34 & 33).

I don't think they go wrong with either.

That's fine but you just don't learn how to be an NFL 3-4 OLB overnight.

I'm saying Buckner is a ready 3-4 DE. Bosa will take time to learn things like dropping into coverage as a 3-4 OLB. If Bosa goes to a 3-4 team he's gonna get eaten up by fast strong TE early on.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Joey Bosa isn't a blue chip player? Daniel Jeremiah said he'd Bosa would be a perfect fit for them. I'll take either one personally

Just my opinion, but you have to be a damn moron if you're running a 3-4 and choose Bosa over Buckner.

Honest question.. 'best player available' doesn't apply?

edit: realized i'm in the Buckner thread, taking the question there

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SoCold:
Because Buckner is a better 3-4 DE than Bosa would be a 3-4 OLB from day one. Not to say that Bosa can't become a good OLB but I think he'd be a better fit on a 4-3 team.

Buckner is as close to a day 1 starter Trent is going to find, IMO.

Bosa get's compared to Suggs all over the place. I don't see why Bosa can't be a pro-bowl OLB. I don't really care about 40xs for OLB, his 3-cone and 20 yard dash were 2nd among all DEs. He's got a motor on him, powerful hands, and took on double/triple teams all year and still brought the pressure.

I agree Buckner is without a doubt the best 3-4 DE but they are much much younger at DE with Williams and Jernigan (27 &23) vs Suggs and Dumervil (34 & 33).

I don't think they go wrong with either.

That's fine but you just don't learn how to be an NFL 3-4 OLB overnight.

I'm saying Buckner is a ready 3-4 DE. Bosa will take time to learn things like dropping into coverage as a 3-4 OLB. If Bosa goes to a 3-4 team he's gonna get eaten up by fast strong TE early on.

But he would be rushing the passer more than dropping into coverage. And it's not like Bosa will be asked to go and cover a deep post or even a hitch route. Bosa like how Aldon Smith did would be pretty much asked to cover flats or drop back maybe 5 yards to cover or just be a body in coverage on a quick pass which I think he's more than capable of doing as shown in the Bosa video I posted. There's a reason Bosa was once considered the #1 overall pick in the draft and it's not just because he can rush the passer.

Originally posted by SoCold:
That's fine but you just don't learn how to be an NFL 3-4 OLB overnight.

I'm saying Buckner is a ready 3-4 DE. Bosa will take time to learn things like dropping into coverage as a 3-4 OLB. If Bosa goes to a 3-4 team he's gonna get eaten up by fast strong TE early on.

I mean Aldon wasn't rolling around with TEs all day either people overvalue coverage skills for a OLB IMO. That's why you have you ILB and safeties locked on to the TEs.

I've seen Bosa knocking down passes in coverage as well....I'll take either but wouldn't be surprised if Baltimore goes either way.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SoCold:
Because Buckner is a better 3-4 DE than Bosa would be a 3-4 OLB from day one. Not to say that Bosa can't become a good OLB but I think he'd be a better fit on a 4-3 team.

Buckner is as close to a day 1 starter Trent is going to find, IMO.

Bosa get's compared to Suggs all over the place. I don't see why Bosa can't be a pro-bowl OLB. I don't really care about 40xs for OLB, his 3-cone and 20 yard dash were 2nd among all DEs. He's got a motor on him, powerful hands, and took on double/triple teams all year and still brought the pressure.

I agree Buckner is without a doubt the best 3-4 DE but they are much much younger at DE with Williams and Jernigan (27 &23) vs Suggs and Dumervil (34 & 33).

I don't think they go wrong with either.

That's fine but you just don't learn how to be an NFL 3-4 OLB overnight.

I'm saying Buckner is a ready 3-4 DE. Bosa will take time to learn things like dropping into coverage as a 3-4 OLB. If Bosa goes to a 3-4 team he's gonna get eaten up by fast strong TE early on.

But he would be rushing the passer more than dropping into coverage. And it's not like Bosa will be asked to go and cover a deep post or even a hitch route. Bosa like how Aldon Smith did would be pretty much asked to cover flats or drop back maybe 5 yards to cover or just be a body in coverage on a quick pass which I think he's more than capable of doing as shown in the Bosa video I posted. There's a reason Bosa was once considered the #1 overall pick in the draft and it's not just because he can rush the passer.

Yeah I think Bosa is a great college player and can be a good NFL player. I just think Buckner is the safer pick. More talent up front that can help right now.

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SoCold:
Because Buckner is a better 3-4 DE than Bosa would be a 3-4 OLB from day one. Not to say that Bosa can't become a good OLB but I think he'd be a better fit on a 4-3 team.

Buckner is as close to a day 1 starter Trent is going to find, IMO.

Bosa get's compared to Suggs all over the place. I don't see why Bosa can't be a pro-bowl OLB. I don't really care about 40xs for OLB, his 3-cone and 20 yard dash were 2nd among all DEs. He's got a motor on him, powerful hands, and took on double/triple teams all year and still brought the pressure.

I agree Buckner is without a doubt the best 3-4 DE but they are much much younger at DE with Williams and Jernigan (27 &23) vs Suggs and Dumervil (34 & 33).

I don't think they go wrong with either.

That's fine but you just don't learn how to be an NFL 3-4 OLB overnight.

I'm saying Buckner is a ready 3-4 DE. Bosa will take time to learn things like dropping into coverage as a 3-4 OLB. If Bosa goes to a 3-4 team he's gonna get eaten up by fast strong TE early on.

But he would be rushing the passer more than dropping into coverage. And it's not like Bosa will be asked to go and cover a deep post or even a hitch route. Bosa like how Aldon Smith did would be pretty much asked to cover flats or drop back maybe 5 yards to cover or just be a body in coverage on a quick pass which I think he's more than capable of doing as shown in the Bosa video I posted. There's a reason Bosa was once considered the #1 overall pick in the draft and it's not just because he can rush the passer.

Yeah I think Bosa is a great college player and can be a good NFL player. I just think Buckner is the safer pick. More talent up front that can help right now.

I would take either of those guys.