DeForest Buckner DL - Oregon

Well this is disappointing. I really wanted to know what DE susweel would like the Niners to go for if it's not Buckner and why. You guys scared him away with your facts.

Originally posted by Alfienator:
Well this is disappointing. I really wanted to know what DE susweel would like the Niners to go for if it's not Buckner and why. You guys scared him away with your facts.

No way he would pick Buckner based of the hate he has for AA

Originally posted by ESWYoung08:

And we passed on him...

Honestly the Aldon Smith pick looked really good for almost 2 years. Baalke can't see the future. Watt would be amazing on our team but Aldon was amazing until he showed his maturity level was that of a 13 year old. Not making excuses for Baalke A.J. Jenkins pick still pisses me off when you could have drafted Alshon Jefferies.

Originally posted by Alfienator:

Well this is disappointing. I really wanted to know what DE susweel would like the Niners to go for if it's not Buckner and why. You guys scared him away with your facts.

Meh dont let a bunch of rubbish comments scare you off. Buckner is coming off a 10 sack season for a 3-4 DE. He has improved in every way over the course of the season. He absolutely would not be a bad pick at all in the 1st round.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by JDMathews49ers:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by joaosoarrs99:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

I don't think anyone thinks Simpson is a #1 Torrey smith and smelter will be the top dogs...I think grabbing a player like Thomas or fuller in the 2nd would be nice. Minus Treadwell I don't see any real studs at WR in this draft. FA is always a option as well for WR.

Buckner is a beast I'd be happy with him.

IMO this class WR studs are Boyd and Doctson.

Pass on Boyd doctson is pretty good but I think he just got hurt?

Treadwell is #1 IMO he reminds me of Dez...as long as he stays healthy he will be a fine wr.

Living in Mississippi, I've watch Treadwell a ton and he is no Dez NY. I would compare him more to Alshon Jeffrey, which isn't a bad comparison, but I consider Dez the most athletic WR in the NFL. Treadwell doesn't separate as well, but his size makes up for that. I'll take Treadwell, but I could pas on him in the first for another stud player and go after Boyd or Dotson.

Thanks for the input I don't get to watch him as much as you that's for sure...but from what I've seen he seems a lot faster than Jeffrey.

OH and I think OBJ and Julio Jones would have something to say about being the most athletic WR in the NFL

Here's what CBS sports said about Treadwell:



STRENGTHS: One of the most physically gifted receivers at the college level even when he was a freshman. Even when covered, he's not covered due to his size, hand strength and catching radius to physically dominate defensive backs. Treadwell always picks up more yardage than he should after the catch due to his power and athleticism

WEAKNESSES: Recovered from gruesome knee injury in 2014, but pre-draft medical checks will be key to final grade with many teams. Although he won't be a receiver who consistently creates separation, he doesn't need to with his body control and ballskills.



COMPARES TO: Dez Bryant, Cowboys - Treadwell shows a Bryant-like skillset with his size and athleticism combination to be a mismatch against cornerbacks on the outside.

I've watched him a ton and he can't be checked in the SEC because of his size, but I can't compare him to Dez. While OBJ is crazy athletic, I think Dez is a specimen. Maybe I should say that over athleticism. That guy has the size, speed, leaping ability, catch radius, and just all around toughness that I would want in a WR. He's just a freaking head case.

As the article said about Treadwell, he is open because of his size, but he does separate very well. I'm not sure if he's the downfield threat in the NFL that Julio and Dez are. Gotta see what he runs at the combine. To me Dupree of LSU became the best WR in the SEC this season. It's like watching OBJ all over again.

I say all that to say that I can pass on Treadwell early for a Buckner and be fine with Boyd or Dotson later.

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NinerSickness:
If the Niners drafted Buckner, they'd have 2 former pairs of teammates (Armstead) on the defense who'd be current teammates who play the same position (Ward & Tartt in high school as DBs).

I'd be cool with two 6-7 290 Lbs athletic freaks up front

What are your thoughts on Dial? How do you think he's been playing?

It will be SAD to watch these 2 guys (Twin Tower) along w/Dial to get pushed around every Sunday.. both are "baby huey" type of players in my opinion..

you clearly haven't watch him play this year...dude is anything but a "baby huey" or whatever lol. He's one of the top 3-4 DEs in college.... and if there's one thing that AA isn't doing this year it's getting pushed around he's already commanding double-teams on a regular basis.

Please don't tell me you think a DE in our 3-4 defense is supposed to rack up a ton of sacks but there not.

I just dont see the logic of drafting a DE with no pass rushing ability to rack up sacks..

Have you not been watching the last 5 Super Bowls??

The Giants PASS RUSHERS was the difference against the Patriots.

The Seahawks RUSH got Manning out of his usual great rythm..

and your gonna tell me that we would be fine with 2 DEs who are commanding double teams but yet, can not get to the QB???

with no pass rushers, you best pray that you have two Deion Neon Prime Time Sanders as your CB, and Ronnie Lott teaming with Rod Woodson at the Safety position..

Yo NY,

can you try READING my this post of mine again, and point out where I brought up the "4-3" scheme???

all I ever said is that pass rushers are the reasons why the Giants and Seattle had success with both the Patriots and Manning.. I never said anything about 4-3..

as far as knowing our 3-4 defense, I too am very familiar with it.. and I'm telling you all, Buckner is no different than AA.. both are huge DL but very soft.. they aren't the typical ROUGH RIDERS like Pierce Holt, Kevin f*gan, Justin Smith type of DEs..

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by ESWYoung08:

And we passed on him...

Honestly the Aldon Smith pick looked really good for almost 2 years. Baalke can't see the future. Watt would be amazing on our team but Aldon was amazing until he showed his maturity level was that of a 13 year old. Not making excuses for Baalke A.J. Jenkins pick still pisses me off when you could have drafted Alshon Jefferies.

Aldon was the best pick of Trent's era, until he went full potatoe. If Aldon alcoholism doens't get the best of him, I don't anyone even mentions JJ. Remember Denver took Vaughn over JJ as well and for a minute he was coming off the rails. He seemed to have gotten himself together and it's making that pick look special.

Originally posted by JDMathews49ers:

Aldon was the best pick of Trent's era, until he went full potatoe. If Aldon alcoholism doens't get the best of him, I don't anyone even mentions JJ. Remember Denver took Vaughn over JJ as well and for a minute he was coming off the rails. He seemed to have gotten himself together and it's making that pick look special.

Agreed. Von's not even in the NFL drug testing program anymore. We also passed on my favorite pass rusher in that draft Robert Quinn and he has done incredible. If Aldon can keep himself in check and I hope he can then that Draft will be looked as the best pass rushing draft or atleast one of the best Drafts in general.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by JDMathews49ers:

Aldon was the best pick of Trent's era, until he went full potatoe. If Aldon alcoholism doens't get the best of him, I don't anyone even mentions JJ. Remember Denver took Vaughn over JJ as well and for a minute he was coming off the rails. He seemed to have gotten himself together and it's making that pick look special.

Agreed. Von's not even in the NFL drug testing program anymore. We also passed on my favorite pass rusher in that draft Robert Quinn and he has done incredible. If Aldon can keep himself in check and I hope he can then that Draft will be looked as the best pass rushing draft or atleast one of the best Drafts in general.

I thought about that after I posted. It definitely can go down as the best ever for pass rushers. That draft alone can be considered one of the best.

Originally posted by 9moon:
Yo NY,

can you try READING my this post of mine again, and point out where I brought up the "4-3" scheme???

all I ever said is that pass rushers are the reasons why the Giants and Seattle had success with both the Patriots and Manning.. I never said anything about 4-3..

as far as knowing our 3-4 defense, I too am very familiar with it.. and I'm telling you all, Buckner is no different than AA.. both are huge DL but very soft.. they aren't the typical ROUGH RIDERS like Pierce Holt, Kevin f*gan, Justin Smith type of DEs..

No I read it...you said the reason NY and Seattle won the super bowl was because of their pass rushers. Why I brought up the 4-3 defense is because well first we are talking about Buckner who is a 3-4 DE (which is totally different then what NY or Seattle does) the Giants got their pass rush from their DEs because they run a 4-3 defense which allows them to go after the passer. In our 3-4 D the OLB are the ones getting the sacks while our DE take on blockers, if they can get some pass rush too well that's just gravy.

Even in OU's 3-4 where DEs don't get a ton of sacks Buckner has 9.5 which are big number for a 3-4 DE. Baalke drafted AA because he could be a 5-tech 3-4 DE which are hard to find. Neither get pushed around not sure why you're saying that?

Buckner is the 12 overall rated player according to CBS (and the second DE behind only Bosa) I wouldn't be surprised to see him go top 10 after the combine where teams will see the athleticism along with the size.

Teams don't give AA one-on-ones anymore because he will win every time. If we could have Buckner and AA who can line up all over because of their size, strength and speed that's a HUGE plus for our run stopping and pass rush.

Also I don't really see the reasoning or point to compare players based on the school they go to...AA and Buckner aren't the same players and Jordan is a OLB and is about 45 Lbs lighter.

IF you want to look at OLB for some pass rush I like Ogbah

Originally posted by NYniner85:
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Even in OU's 3-4 where DEs don't get a ton of sacks Buckner has 9.5 which are big number for a 3-4 DE. Baalke drafted AA because he could be a 5-tech 3-4 DE which are hard to find. Neither get pushed around not sure why you're saying that?

Not to nitpick, but it was his ability to play 4-technique which is pretty rare. With Mangini around it makes sense as to why they'd value a 4-technique as that was a key part of New England's defense back when he was with them with Ty Warren playing.


And there's varied approaches to playing DE in a 3-4, some utilize smaller, faster players the way Fangio and Manusky did, some like much bigger, heftier DE's the way the Steelers have done in the past.

Mangini runs more of a traditional two gap defense. For what Mangini is looking for, you simply need bigger, longer guys upfront.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
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Even in OU's 3-4 where DEs don't get a ton of sacks Buckner has 9.5 which are big number for a 3-4 DE. Baalke drafted AA because he could be a 5-tech 3-4 DE which are hard to find. Neither get pushed around not sure why you're saying that?

Not to nitpick, but it was his ability to play 4-technique which is pretty rare. With Mangini around it makes sense as to why they'd value a 4-technique as that was a key part of New England's defense back when he was with them with Ty Warren playing.


And there's varied approaches to playing DE in a 3-4, some utilize smaller, faster players the way Fangio and Manusky did, some like much bigger, heftier DE's the way the Steelers have done in the past.

Mangini runs more of a traditional two gap defense. For what Mangini is looking for, you simply need bigger, longer guys upfront.

My bad 4-tech good catch

Originally posted by NYniner85:
My bad 4-tech good catch

In anycase, Buckner would be considered a pretty good fit for the defense that is currently being run. If you draft a guy like Buckner to go along with Armstead then what you need are some true race-track guys at OLB. Lynch is one such guy but then you need some more to go along with. Harold could be one as he develops but you need to add someone with truly explosive off the edge speed that can take advantage of having all these blockers tied up across the OL.

In theory if you add a guy like Buckner, you should be able to tie up the LT and a TE, or even the LT and LG like what Stanford did to stop Buckner. Now you've got the NT handling a center or guard and you've got at least one of your OLB's with a major mismatch.

Found this from PFF, a breakdown of how some 3-4 DE's were used and where they lined up most. Out of this group only Cedric Thornton of the Eagles lined up as a 4 technique often.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
My bad 4-tech good catch

In anycase, Buckner would be considered a pretty good fit for the defense that is currently being run. If you draft a guy like Buckner to go along with Armstead then what you need are some true race-track guys at OLB. Lynch is one such guy but then you need some more to go along with. Harold could be one as he develops but you need to add someone with truly explosive off the edge speed that can take advantage of having all these blockers tied up across the OL.

In theory if you add a guy like Buckner, you should be able to tie up the LT and a TE, or even the LT and LG like what Stanford did to stop Buckner. Now you've got the NT handling a center or guard and you've got at least one of your OLB's with a major mismatch.

Who do you see along those lines in the draft at OLB? What are you're thoughts on Ogbah?