DeForest Buckner DL - Oregon

Originally posted by Draftology:

Originally posted by StOnEy333:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by Draftology:

Originally posted by StOnEy333:

Originally posted by Draftology:

We've gone back and forth on Buckner before, but I just personally think this was a wasted pick. If you take a defensive lineman in the top 10, he better be a pass-rushing beast. Buckner could really turn out to be a two down player. I know he had 12 sacks last year, but the way he got those sacks doesn't translate to the NFL. I haven't seen a single scouting report claim that he is an elite pass rusher. We took the two best players off a terrible defense in back to back years...

This doesn't translate to the NFL? lol

It literally doesn't...he is not going to be able to manhandle NFL guards like that. His only pass rush move is a bullrush...

Uhh ok

Right. Because no Olineman in the NFL can be bullrushed. lol

No lineman in the NFL can get bullrushed if that's your only move. That move is effective when the lineman has to account for other moves as well and gets caught off balance.

Just stop dude. You're too funny. lol

Originally posted by Draftology:

Originally posted by StOnEy333:

Originally posted by Draftology:
We've gone back and forth on Buckner before, but I just personally think this was a wasted pick. If you take a defensive lineman in the top 10, he better be a pass-rushing beast. Buckner could really turn out to be a two down player. I know he had 12 sacks last year, but the way he got those sacks doesn't translate to the NFL. I haven't seen a single scouting report claim that he is an elite pass rusher. We took the two best players off a terrible defense in back to back years...

This doesn't translate to the NFL? lol

It literally doesn't...he is not going to be able to manhandle NFL guards like that. His only pass rush move is a bullrush...

Why? Explain.

EDIT: nevermind. I just saw your other baseless arguments. Don't bother explaining, please.

Bottom line is we've spent two first round picks on a position that is very low on the positional value hierarchy. The NFL is riddled with great 3-4 ends drafted in the later rounds. I haven't seen anything from Buckner that makes me think that he is an elite prospect that warrants a pick regardless of positional value like Ezekiel Elliot.

Originally posted by glorydayz:

DE's are not the pass rushers in our 3-4 defense. Buckner will now be the reason our pass rushers actually get to the QB like Justin Smith did for Aldon Smith. Everything starts up front! He or Armstead will need to be double teamed or they can cause problems.

Quintin Dial/Ian Williams/Dorsey at NT will make things even harder for O-lines and easier for our pass rushing LBer's. I don't ever really agree with Baalke, but this was a great pick!

You're right. The year we got over the hump Baalke finished building the lines...Davis, Iupati, Goodwin. On defense he had Justin, Sopoaga, McDonald.

DL is set with quality rotational depth. No more TJE!

Now, onto the OL!

Originally posted by Draftology:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by Draftology:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Draftology:

Originally posted by PacTiger:

Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:

Originally posted by 9moon:
I promise you, we will have the Biggest, Tallest and SOFTEST defensive line in the history of the NFL if we end up having Buckner - Dial - Armstead as the starting DL for years to come..

this

meh, buckner is better than armstead and dial is on his way out

How is Dial on his way out? We just gave him an extension...I have no idea why we didn't do the trade Cleveland did with Tennessee. No elite prospect on the board, trade back and accumulate picks.

2nd highest player on their board hoe do you not take him...build through the trenches.

We've gone back and forth on Buckner before, but I just personally think this was a wasted pick. If you take a defensive lineman in the top 10, he better be a pass-rushing beast. Buckner could really turn out to be a two down player. I know he had 12 sacks last year, but the way he got those sacks doesn't translate to the NFL. I haven't seen a single scouting report claim that he is an elite pass rusher. We took the two best players off a terrible defense in back to back years...

DE's are not the pass rushers in our 3-4 defense. Buckner will now be the reason our pass rushers actually get to the QB like Justin Smith did for Aldon Smith. Everything starts up front! He or Armstead will need to be double teamed or they can cause problems.

Quintin Dial/Ian Williams/Dorsey at NT will make things even harder for O-lines and easier for our pass rushing LBer's. I don't ever really agree with Baalke, but this was a great pick!

Armstead hasn't shown that he can beat one lineman, let alone warrant two. I know 3-4 ends are not meant to be the sack guys, which is why I am very against taking them in the 1st round, let alone the top 10 unless they are elite players (which I obviously don't think Buckner is). You can get a great player to fill that role, especially in this draft, in rounds 2-3.

Remember, you get what you pay for though. At #7 we had to take the #1 prospect at whatever position we were targeting.

Harbaugh showed how important it is to win in the trenches, and boy can Buckner win in the trenches!

Originally posted by ChipKelly:
We are keeping Dial. Kellys Offense puts a lot of pressure on our Defense. We will need plenty of good fresh bodies especially on the Dline.

This. And Dial can also play NT, among DE.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
DE's are not the pass rushers in our 3-4 defense. Buckner will now be the reason our pass rushers actually get to the QB like Justin Smith did for Aldon Smith. Everything starts up front! He or Armstead will need to be double teamed or they can cause problems.

Quintin Dial/Ian Williams/Dorsey at NT will make things even harder for O-lines and easier for our pass rushing LBer's. I don't ever really agree with Baalke, but this was a great pick!

You're right. The year we got over the hump finished building the lines...Davis, Iupati, Goodwin. On defense he had Justin, Sopoaga, McDonald.

DL is set with quality rotational depth. No more TJE!

Now, onto the OL!

Now TJE will only be used to give these elite guys a breather. I have been one of the most critical posters on this board, but when things are done the right way I will be the first to take my hat off and recognize. This was a great pick!

For all I'm concerned we can build out the O-line with elite talent next year. We should build around that D-line in this draft.

CB's and LBer's and we are set on D.

Originally posted by Draftology:

We've gone back and forth on Buckner before, but I just personally think this was a wasted pick. If you take a defensive lineman in the top 10, he better be a pass-rushing beast. Buckner could really turn out to be a two down player. I know he had 12 sacks last year, but the way he got those sacks doesn't translate to the NFL. I haven't seen a single scouting report claim that he is an elite pass rusher. We took the two best players off a terrible defense in back to back years...

How is he a two down player as a 3-4 DE? How does he come of the field on 3rd down? You making zero sense man...go watch Williams and Campbell that's who we got. Lol he's sack don't translate to the NFL? He gets into the back field quickly and had great movement for a 6-7 290 lb guy with 35 inch arms.

Just stop it with him being a two down player.

Originally posted by Empire49:

Why? Explain.

EDIT: nevermind. I just saw your other baseless arguments. Don't bother explaining, please.

But he doesn't just have a bull rush he clearly hasn't watched him play

So stoked about this pick.

At 1:07 he beats a double team with a swim move and gets a sack. At 2:45 he uses his hands with a little swim move to sack Goff. Throughout the whole video he shows he has great pursuit in the backfield on QBs as well as RBs.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
How is he a two down player as a 3-4 DE? How does he come of the field on 3rd down? You making zero sense man...go watch Williams and Campbell that's who we got. Lol he's sack don't translate to the NFL? He gets into the back field quickly and had great movement for a 6-7 290 lb guy with 35 inch arms.

Just stop it with him being a two down player.

I'm not saying he can't develop into a great 3rd down player, but he absolutely has work to do. He plays with high pad level, which is exacerbated because he is so tall. He doesn't have active hands, but he does have heavy hands (which helps with his power moves). I guarantee when the season starts, he won't be on the field on 3rd down. That may change by the end of the season, but he's not there yet.

And I'm not saying he will be a bad player. I'm saying that his position does not warrant a top 10 pick unless you think you're getting a game changer, especially considering we spent a top 15 pick on the same position last year. Ian Williams may be our best defensive player, and we have several other positions we need to address on offense and defense.

OK, thank you for proving this debate is not worth having. Have a good hate.

Originally posted by Draftology:

Bottom line is we've spent two first round picks on a position that is very low on the positional value hierarchy. The NFL is riddled with great 3-4 ends drafted in the later rounds. I haven't seen anything from Buckner that makes me think that he is an elite prospect that warrants a pick regardless of positional value like Ezekiel Elliot.

But it's not! Do you even know what makes a 3-4 defense go??? Jesus dude I don't want to be an ass but your soooo far off base it ridiculous. Top end DE are hard to find

Beast of a pick