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DeForest Buckner DL - Oregon

This draft class is pretty deep at DL. If there is a slam dunk franchise ALL-Pro DL, you have to take him.

But barring that,I think there are other positions of need that will still qualify in a BPA tier
Originally posted by 9moon:
I promise you, we will have the Biggest, Tallest and SOFTEST defensive line in the history of the NFL if we end up having Buckner - Dial - Armstead as the starting DL for years to come..

Why do you keep calling them soft? AA has one of the best PPF scores in QB pressures among 3-4 DE in the league. Did you not watch him flatten browns linemen last week (it was the only good thing the team did). He needs constant double teams already.

Buckner has 9.5 sacks and 16 TFL which is huge for a 3-4 DE.

CBS:

Buckner carries his 290 pounds well, sporting broad shoulders, long arms and no extra weight around the middle. Though quick enough to get tackles turning as a pass rusher, his game is based on power, not speed. Buckner has a powerful bull rush to knock tackles onto their heels and uses his long arms to lasso ballcarriers as they attempt to run by.

Like former teammate Arik Armstead, Buckner is well suited to playing defensive end in a 3-4 scheme as he has the strength to set the edge and force ballcarriers to cut back inside. He's surprisingly agile for a man of his size, demonstrating enough burst to split gaps and the fluidity to occasionally drop into coverage on zone blitzes.


please explain to me why they are soft?? That's why I can't take half of what you say serious (no disrespect) because you don't back it up with anything.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by joaosoarrs99:
Ogbah is also much stronger.

Ogbah has the prototypical everything in terms of his physical size and strength, questions remain about his lateral movement and agility. He might just be a guy better suited for a 4-3, that remains to be seen.

Everybody said that about Aldon Smith, too. Not the same guy, just saying.
Originally posted by WRATHman44:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by joaosoarrs99:
Ogbah is also much stronger.

Ogbah has the prototypical everything in terms of his physical size and strength, questions remain about his lateral movement and agility. He might just be a guy better suited for a 4-3, that remains to be seen.

Everybody said that about Aldon Smith, too. Not the same guy, just saying.

??? People lauded Aldon for his movement and agility. Ogbah's biggest weakness was one of Aldon's greatest strengths.
Originally posted by shmuck:
Originally posted by WRATHman44:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by joaosoarrs99:
Ogbah is also much stronger.

Ogbah has the prototypical everything in terms of his physical size and strength, questions remain about his lateral movement and agility. He might just be a guy better suited for a 4-3, that remains to be seen.

Everybody said that about Aldon Smith, too. Not the same guy, just saying.

??? People lauded Aldon for his movement and agility. Ogbah's biggest weakness was one of Aldon's greatest strengths.

People were impressed with Aldon's Length, strength, and straight line speed. There were HUGE questions about his lateral agility and ability to drop in coverage. Baalke had to come out to a press conference and explain that Fangio's OLBs had to set the edge and rush the passer first, and that coverage wouldn't be a big deal. The vast majority of draftnicks had Aldon painted as a 4-3 DE only.
Originally posted by WRATHman44:
Originally posted by shmuck:
Originally posted by WRATHman44:
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by joaosoarrs99:
Ogbah is also much stronger.

Ogbah has the prototypical everything in terms of his physical size and strength, questions remain about his lateral movement and agility. He might just be a guy better suited for a 4-3, that remains to be seen.

Everybody said that about Aldon Smith, too. Not the same guy, just saying.

??? People lauded Aldon for his movement and agility. Ogbah's biggest weakness was one of Aldon's greatest strengths.

People were impressed with Aldon's Length, strength, and straight line speed. There were HUGE questions about his lateral agility and ability to drop in coverage. Baalke had to come out to a press conference and explain that Fangio's OLBs had to set the edge and rush the passer first, and that coverage wouldn't be a big deal. The vast majority of draftnicks had Aldon painted as a 4-3 DE only.

This^^

Ogbah just screams a baalke pick IMO....big, long, and, athletic.

If we could draft back up into the 1st I'd love to get this guy.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by 9moon:
I promise you, we will have the Biggest, Tallest and SOFTEST defensive line in the history of the NFL if we end up having Buckner - Dial - Armstead as the starting DL for years to come..

Why do you keep calling them soft? AA has one of the best PPF scores in QB pressures among 3-4 DE in the league. Did you not watch him flatten browns linemen last week (it was the only good thing the team did). He needs constant double teams already.

Buckner has 9.5 sacks and 16 TFL which is huge for a 3-4 DE.

CBS:

Buckner carries his 290 pounds well, sporting broad shoulders, long arms and no extra weight around the middle. Though quick enough to get tackles turning as a pass rusher, his game is based on power, not speed. Buckner has a powerful bull rush to knock tackles onto their heels and uses his long arms to lasso ballcarriers as they attempt to run by.

Like former teammate Arik Armstead, Buckner is well suited to playing defensive end in a 3-4 scheme as he has the strength to set the edge and force ballcarriers to cut back inside. He's surprisingly agile for a man of his size, demonstrating enough burst to split gaps and the fluidity to occasionally drop into coverage on zone blitzes.


please explain to me why they are soft?? That's why I can't take half of what you say serious (no disrespect) because you don't back it up with anything.

So, all of a sudden, Buckner's 9.5 sucks doest count and doest matter??

Can you then explain me why you WOULD NOT apply that to the GREAT Armstead when he was at OREGON? having a better team, especially offensivlely, and often up by at least 17 pits, Armstead shoulda had more than 2.5 sacks since he shouldn't worry bout the running game.. NO?

and weren't you the one who often said that WE DO NOT LOOK FOR DEs under the 3-4 who can RUSH THE PASSER??

why is it suddenly, his 9.6 sacks count?

and by the way, SCREW the PFF whatsoever.. that imaginary stuff doesn't even count.. the gerat score or stats that you all look for in that PFF, it will never get a player into the hall of fame..
[ Edited by 9moon on Dec 18, 2015 at 1:18 PM ]
Originally posted by 9moon:
So, all of a sudden, Buckner's 9.5 sucks doest count and doest matter??

Can you then explain me why you WOULD NOT apply that to the GREAT Armstead when he was at OREGON? having a better team, especially offensivlely, and often up by at least 17 pits, Armstead shoulda had more than 2.5 sacks since he shouldn't worry bout the running game.. NO?

and weren't you the one who often said that WE DO NOT LOOK FOR DEs under the 3-4 who can RUSH THE PASSER??

why is it suddenly, his 9.6 sacks count?

and by the way, SCREW the PFF whatsoever.. that imaginary stuff doesn't even count.. the gerat score or stats that you all look for in that PFF, it will never get a player into the hall of fame..

Stats are for losers. By the stats Justin Smith is an average player. If you really watch the game he was one of the best defensive player for quite sometime.
oh no doubt, Justin Smith was a great pickup in my opinion.. in fact, I was hoping we can land him when he was coming out of college.. The guy's motor just runs, and it reminds me of the old guys (f*gan and Holt) .. Those are the type of players I would rather have.. but Bucker and Armstead, IMO.. AGAIN, only MY opinion, are very soft.. .they may have the size and all, but they're soft..
Originally posted by 9moon:
So, all of a sudden, Buckner's 9.5 sucks doest count and doest matter??

Can you then explain me why you WOULD NOT apply that to the GREAT Armstead when he was at OREGON? having a better team, especially offensivlely, and often up by at least 17 pits, Armstead shoulda had more than 2.5 sacks since he shouldn't worry bout the running game.. NO?

and weren't you the one who often said that WE DO NOT LOOK FOR DEs under the 3-4 who can RUSH THE PASSER??

why is it suddenly, his 9.6 sacks count?

and by the way, SCREW the PFF whatsoever.. that imaginary stuff doesn't even count.. the gerat score or stats that you all look for in that PFF, it will never get a player into the hall of fame..

I think Buckner is a better prospect than AA coming out of the draft and he's gonna be drafted higher than AA and yes 9.5 sacks in that defense is really good.

IF a 3-4 DE can rush the passer as well as eat up blockers and create pressure then that's a HUGE + but isn't the main objective in our scheme.

Also if you watch OU football last year you would have known AA had a ankle injury most of the year and towards the end of the season he was finally healthy. Go watch the film from the FSU and OSU games. AA was killing it not one tackle could take him on one-on-one.

LOL yeah screw an actual rating system that scouts and NFL teams use that judges how a player plays on every snap just because it contradicts with whatever you're trying to prove I'll take the advice of someone who's actual job is to grade players then anyone on here...they're impartial unlike a lot of people on here.

Also go look at PFF and see who's at the top...guess what it's the players who are playing the best!

You calling them soft makes zero sense and you have next to nothing to back it up...having TWO big,strong,athletic 3-4 DEs that CAN rush the passer and require multiple tackles would help in the running game (if our LBers can tackle) and help the REAL sack masters our OLBs.
Originally posted by joaosoarrs99:
Originally posted by 9moon:
So, all of a sudden, Buckner's 9.5 sucks doest count and doest matter??

Can you then explain me why you WOULD NOT apply that to the GREAT Armstead when he was at OREGON? having a better team, especially offensivlely, and often up by at least 17 pits, Armstead shoulda had more than 2.5 sacks since he shouldn't worry bout the running game.. NO?

and weren't you the one who often said that WE DO NOT LOOK FOR DEs under the 3-4 who can RUSH THE PASSER??

why is it suddenly, his 9.6 sacks count?

and by the way, SCREW the PFF whatsoever.. that imaginary stuff doesn't even count.. the gerat score or stats that you all look for in that PFF, it will never get a player into the hall of fame..

Stats are for losers. By the stats Justin Smith is an average player. If you really watch the game he was one of the best defensive player for quite sometime.

AND Justin Smith was top 5 at his position in PFF even though the most sacks he had for us was 8.
Originally posted by 9moon:
oh no doubt, Justin Smith was a great pickup in my opinion.. in fact, I was hoping we can land him when he was coming out of college.. The guy's motor just runs, and it reminds me of the old guys (f*gan and Holt) .. Those are the type of players I would rather have.. but Bucker and Armstead, IMO.. AGAIN, only MY opinion, are very soft.. .they may have the size and all, but they're soft..

why are the soft?? please explain why they are soft? yes it's your opinion but you have nothing to back it up....
I'm hoping we take Buckner, just to avoid taking another bust at QB or WR. Don't want to live through another one of those! If we have a young stud DL, we'll be back on our way to having a dominant defense. Having Buckner and Armstead as your DEs in a 3-4 would be incredible.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
This^^

Ogbah just screams a baalke pick IMO....big, long, and, athletic.

If we could draft back up into the 1st I'd love to get this guy.


Could probably trade back 5-8 spots and easily grab him.
Originally posted by Trath44:
I'm hoping we take Buckner, just to avoid taking another bust at QB or WR. Don't want to live through another one of those! If we have a young stud DL, we'll be back on our way to having a dominant defense. Having Buckner and Armstead as your DEs in a 3-4 would be incredible.

I agree wouldn't be upset at all
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