Deshaun Watson, QB, Clemson - Legit alternative to Jared Goff in 2017?

Originally posted by NYniner85:
hell no! no to Matt Cassel 2.0 the offense would make Blaine look like a pro bowler lol. Time for Chip to get the QB he needs Watson is that guy. He can run chip's whole offense Jimmy G can't.

Don't be ridiculous. Matt Cassel was a career backup who had one of the best receivers ever to throw to and a terrific slot receiver to eat up the underneath routes while Moss grabbed all the attention.

Cassel also was drafted 7th and had minimal tape from college. Garop was a decent prospect who needed development in a pro style offense...he got it with the Pats. But hey I love how you're able to predict how one guy won't be able to hack it in Chip's offense but another is perfect for it.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
hell no! no to Matt Cassel 2.0 the offense would make Blaine look like a pro bowler lol. Time for Chip to get the QB he needs Watson is that guy. He can run chip's whole offense Jimmy G can't.

Don't be ridiculous. Matt Cassel was a career backup who had one of the best receivers ever to throw to and a terrific slot receiver to eat up the underneath routes while Moss grabbed all the attention.

Cassel also was drafted 7th and had minimal tape from college. Garop was a decent prospect who needed development in a pro style offense...he got it with the Pats. But hey I love how you're able to predict how one guy won't be able to hack it in Chip's offense but another is perfect for it.

How can you predict that Jimmy G would even be a fit for Chip's offense to begin with? Does belichick run a bunch of read options that I've never seen? Why would you trade anything close to a 2nd rd pick for someone that has no starting experience as of yet with one year left on his deal?

Yeah Jimmy G has a bunch of scrubs he's throwing the ball to this year lol.

He is listed at 6-2.........which means he's around 6ft, you know how college numbers are always wrong.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
How can you predict that Jimmy G would even be a fit for Chip's offense to begin with? Does belichick run a bunch of read options that I've never seen? Why would you trade anything close to a 2nd rd pick for someone that has no starting experience as of yet with one year left on his deal?

Yeah Jimmy G has a bunch of scrubs he's throwing the ball to this year lol.

If they can't get Watson, I wouldn't be opposed to Garoppolo if he plays well. He has a lot of the traits necessary for success in Kelly's offense in terms of accuracy, ability to go through his reads quickly, a super fast release....etc. We'll just have to see how things go for him this season but he could definitely be a guy worth looking at in FA.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

How can you predict that Jimmy G would even be a fit for Chip's offense to begin with? Does belichick run a bunch of read options that I've never seen? Why would you trade anything close to a 2nd rd pick for someone that has no starting experience as of yet with one year left on his deal?

Yeah Jimmy G has a bunch of scrubs he's throwing the ball to this year lol.

If they can't get Watson, I wouldn't be opposed to Garoppolo if he plays well. He has a lot of the traits necessary for success in Kelly's offense in terms of accuracy, ability to go through his reads quickly, a super fast release....etc. We'll just have to see how things go for him this season but he could definitely be a guy worth looking at in FA.

we will see how he plays but I'll pass on that as of now

Originally posted by NYniner85:
How can you predict that Jimmy G would even be a fit for Chip's offense to begin with? Does belichick run a bunch of read options that I've never seen? Why would you trade anything close to a 2nd rd pick for someone that has no starting experience as of yet with one year left on his deal?

Yeah Jimmy G has a bunch of scrubs he's throwing the ball to this year lol.

Chip's offense isn't all about the read option and while Watson has played great in Clemson how many college standouts have bombed in the NFL?

Garappolo is going to get at least 4 games to show what he can do against some pretty good defenses and if he does well Pats offense or 49ers offense it shows the game isn't too big for him.

The guy had terrific stats but the biggest question mark with him was how he could transition from a small school and if he could pick up a pro offense. Those questions would essentially be answered. Those same questions would still exist for Watson(well not the small school part)

Originally posted by genus49:

Chip's offense isn't all about the read option and while Watson has played great in Clemson how many college standouts have bombed in the NFL?

Garappolo is going to get at least 4 games to show what he can do against some pretty good defenses and if he does well Pats offense or 49ers offense it shows the game isn't too big for him.

The guy had terrific stats but the biggest question mark with him was how he could transition from a small school and if he could pick up a pro offense. Those questions would essentially be answered. Those same questions would still exist for Watson(well not the small school part)

Watson is beating top defense programs and he's doing it with both his arm and feet. Chip offense excels the most when the QB can actually be a threat in the read option. His offense ran the most effective with someone like MM at QB not Sam Bradford.

We will see what Jimmy g can do. I'm not a fan of traded draft picks for a unproven player at a especially at a position like QB.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Watson is beating top defense programs and he's doing it with both his arm and feet. Chip offense excels the most when the QB can actually be a threat in the read option. His offense ran the most effective with someone like MM at QB not Sam Bradford.

We will see what Jimmy g can do. I'm not a fan of traded draft picks for a unproven player at a especially at a position like QB.

The biggest factor for Kelly's offense is going to be a QB that fly through his progressions and get the ball right on the money to where the receiver doesn't have to adjust his route or go backwards for it, getting hit in stride and allowing him to pick up another 10, 15, 20 yards after the catch. In a lot of ways Kelly's scheme is like a version of the WCO on speed.

Coming out of the draft, what I liked about Garoppolo is that he had outstanding accuracy, a super fast release and he could get to his third, even fourth read quickly. He looked completely in control of his offense, not the flashiest guy but threw the intermediate routes, 15-20 yards out, very well and that is basically the bread and butter of what Kelly likes to do. He's not a runner but he has enough mobility to take off and run to keep defenses honest.


My preference would be for Watson, but the odds are that they won't get him and that a team like Cleveland will offer quite a bit more in order to draft him if they need to move up. With that being the case, if Garoppolo does well he is definitely worth a look. He's young enough that Kelly could still mold him but has NFL experience playing under one of the greatest QB's ever. Out of all the QB's that the Patriots have selected after Brady, to me he is the best prospect overall with the best combination of traits for a scheme like Kelly's.

What a bust.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by harryj:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Can this guy read defenses?

Throw with touch? Accuracy?

Is he durable?

Character concerns?

I dont wanna take a QB just to take one, I want the right one

You watch that Alabama game? Almost produced 500 yards of offense against a top D. He's very accurate and made tons of NFL caliber throws all year. Strong arm but has touch.

No character concerns that I know of....durable is a issue but I heard his already up to 220 lbs.

Will be exciting to see all this QB prospects this fall

i think he has solid touch nothing to brag about but its decent

hes accurate but could improve his mechanics a bit tog et better ball placement i think biggest problem with him is he needs to get a bit stronger

and it was reported he showed up to their camp bigger. Kid's only 20, there's a lot to like IMO. He could work on his long ball accuracy but 68% comp percentage isn't anything to sneeze at.

Well I like what I hear so far. Looking forward to watching him play this year.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Watson is beating top defense programs and he's doing it with both his arm and feet. Chip offense excels the most when the QB can actually be a threat in the read option. His offense ran the most effective with someone like MM at QB not Sam Bradford.

We will see what Jimmy g can do. I'm not a fan of traded draft picks for a unproven player at a especially at a position like QB.

Uhmmm...but using. Top 5 draft pick on a kid who has never thrown a pass in the NFL is cool in your book?

You realize Garapolo would be a heck of a lot more proven in the NFL than Watson right? It's not that I'm against Watson...if we have an early enough pick but I doubt we'll have #1 overall which is what it will take so trading a 2nd round pick for Jimmy G and drafting a stud player at another position with the first rounder could be a better idea than giving up a bounty to try to move up for Watson.

Originally posted by genus49:
Uhmmm...but using. Top 5 draft pick on a kid who has never thrown a pass in the NFL is cool in your book?

You realize Garapolo would be a heck of a lot more proven in the NFL than Watson right? It's not that I'm against Watson...if we have an early enough pick but I doubt we'll have #1 overall which is what it will take so trading a 2nd round pick for Jimmy G and drafting a stud player at another position with the first rounder could be a better idea than giving up a bounty to try to move up for Watson.

if watson is on the board when we draft we should take him no matter what im not in favor of trading up for him however

Deshawn is our guy! I

Originally posted by harryj:

Originally posted by genus49:

Uhmmm...but using. Top 5 draft pick on a kid who has never thrown a pass in the NFL is cool in your book?

You realize Garapolo would be a heck of a lot more proven in the NFL than Watson right? It's not that I'm against Watson...if we have an early enough pick but I doubt we'll have #1 overall which is what it will take so trading a 2nd round pick for Jimmy G and drafting a stud player at another position with the first rounder could be a better idea than giving up a bounty to try to move up for Watson.

if watson is on the board when we draft we should take him no matter what im not in favor of trading up for him however

What other options are there? This is another weak QB draft, and he's the best by a mile. We are starved at QB currently. Sorry, but it's looking like we'll draft in the top 10. Shouldn't cost much to move to #1.

Originally posted by JDMathews49ers:

Originally posted by harryj:

Originally posted by genus49:
Uhmmm...but using. Top 5 draft pick on a kid who has never thrown a pass in the NFL is cool in your book?

You realize Garapolo would be a heck of a lot more proven in the NFL than Watson right? It's not that I'm against Watson...if we have an early enough pick but I doubt we'll have #1 overall which is what it will take so trading a 2nd round pick for Jimmy G and drafting a stud player at another position with the first rounder could be a better idea than giving up a bounty to try to move up for Watson.

if watson is on the board when we draft we should take him no matter what im not in favor of trading up for him however

What other options are there? This is another weak QB draft, and he's the best by a mile. We are starved at QB currently. Sorry, but it's looking like we'll draft in the top 10. Shouldn't cost much to move to #1.

its to early to say that

kelly is a fit and a top talent (like watson) he does have maturity issues though

i like kaaya as he is pro ready but he doesnt fit this offense(hes not that mobile)

mayfield and falk are easily potential risers but imo neither are ready day 1 but they both have lot of talent