Deshaun Watson, QB, Clemson - Legit alternative to Jared Goff in 2017?

Originally posted by cjsmoove:

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Originally posted by jersey49er:

Originally posted by cjsmoove:

Originally posted by Ronnie49Lott:

I have a question for those who have watched him. Does his success come from him landing on a team that had everything except a QB or is he just that good and covering up the deficiencies on that team?

IMHO all Texans needed was a QB.

I agree with that, I think they are going to be a contender now and in the future..

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True that. Baalke left us with a lot more holes on the roster than Houston had. It's good to see him ball out tho. That whole "pro style" QB mess can take the back seat now.

Take a back seat.

O'Brien is calling plays to Watson's strength, he's not asking him to stay in the pocket and make that 3, 5 or 7 step drop on a consistent basis. O'Brien is putting Watson in his comfort zone, a lot of shot gun plays and play-action. Every offensive head coach has their own vision of a QB they want running their offense, Trubisky, Watson, Mahomes and Kizer just weren't it.

Yep.....you all remember how Kap looked when Harbaugh toned down the playbook for him until teams caught on. Not saying it will happen to Watson but if he can't sling it from the pocket while looking off CB's and Safety's and going through progressions, it will be a wrap soon. So only time will tell.

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How many QB's have lit it up early only to fizzle as defenses catch on to what's being done?

Not to take away from Watson, he's doing what he's being asked to do and he's doing it well. You can't ask for anything more. Kudos to him. Happy for him, but is this something he can carry on long term? I hope so because the NFL needs a new batch of great QB's. A lot of guys will be retired soon.

If he can continue this long term the Texans will be contenders for a few years with that team. If not, they'll be back where they started. Well, I think they'd be contenders with average QB play so Watson just has to avoid nosediving like so many QB's have done.

Originally posted by LeProfessionnel:

Originally posted by cjsmoove:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by TheNef77:

Originally posted by jersey49er:

Originally posted by cjsmoove:

Originally posted by Ronnie49Lott:
I have a question for those who have watched him. Does his success come from him landing on a team that had everything except a QB or is he just that good and covering up the deficiencies on that team?

IMHO all Texans needed was a QB.

I agree with that, I think they are going to be a contender now and in the future..

True that. Baalke left us with a lot more holes on the roster than Houston had. It's good to see him ball out tho. That whole "pro style" QB mess can take the back seat now.

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Take a back seat.

O'Brien is calling plays to Watson's strength, he's not asking him to stay in the pocket and make that 3, 5 or 7 step drop on a consistent basis. O'Brien is putting Watson in his comfort zone, a lot of shot gun plays and play-action. Every offensive head coach has their own vision of a QB they want running their offense, Trubisky, Watson, Mahomes and Kizer just weren't it.

Yep.....you all remember how Kap looked when Harbaugh toned down the playbook for him until teams caught on. Not saying it will happen to Watson but if he can't sling it from the pocket while looking off CB's and Safety's and going through progressions, it will be a wrap soon. So only time will tell.

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How many QB's have lit it up early only to fizzle as defenses catch on to what's being done?

Not to take away from Watson, he's doing what he's being asked to do and he's doing it well. You can't ask for anything more. Kudos to him. Happy for him, but is this something he can carry on long term? I hope so because the NFL needs a new batch of great QB's. A lot of guys will be retired soon.

If he can continue this long term the Texans will be contenders for a few years with that team. If not, they'll be back where they started. Well, I think they'd be contenders with average QB play so Watson just has to avoid nosediving like so many QB's have done.

A lot of his TD's aren't coming from broken plays or runs but rather strikes from the pocket.

Originally posted by TheBlueHell:

Solon Thomas looks good too though. We 100% needed to draft Thomas to solidify our D-Line. We may even need to go d-line in the first round for the next two years in order to secure pass rushing DE's.

Dashon Watson looks good, but we have Brian Hoyer who knows KS system. We needed a guy who knows the system so that the offense would be sharp from the start.

Also, Cousins will be a free agent and just like Hoyer he knows the system.

Soon Watson, similar to Kap will forget how to play football or the league will catch up to him because qb's like Watson are unable to sustain long term success. So glad we chose Thomas over Watson.

Originally posted by glorydayz:
Solon Thomas looks good too though. We 100% needed to draft Thomas to solidify our D-Line. We may even need to go d-line in the first round for the next two years in order to secure pass rushing DE's.

Dashon Watson looks good, but we have Brian Hoyer who knows KS system. We needed a guy who knows the system so that the offense would be sharp from the start.

Also, Cousins will be a free agent and just like Hoyer he knows the system.

Soon Watson, similar to Kap will forget how to play football or the league will catch up to him because qb's like Watson are unable to sustain long term success. So glad we chose Thomas over Watson.

So I guess you'd rather them reach for a QB they weren't sold on?

Originally posted by miked1978:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
Solon Thomas looks good too though. We 100% needed to draft Thomas to solidify our D-Line. We may even need to go d-line in the first round for the next two years in order to secure pass rushing DE's.

Dashon Watson looks good, but we have Brian Hoyer who knows KS system. We needed a guy who knows the system so that the offense would be sharp from the start.

Also, Cousins will be a free agent and just like Hoyer he knows the system.

Soon Watson, similar to Kap will forget how to play football or the league will catch up to him because qb's like Watson are unable to sustain long term success. So glad we chose Thomas over Watson.

So I guess you'd rather them reach for a QB they weren't sold on?

If things continue it'll be interesting to see if our GM/HC/OC is going to admit he was wrong about his QB choices this past offseason once the regular season is over...

Originally posted by glorydayz:
Solon Thomas looks good too though. We 100% needed to draft Thomas to solidify our D-Line. We may even need to go d-line in the first round for the next two years in order to secure pass rushing DE's.

Dashon Watson looks good, but we have Brian Hoyer who knows KS system. We needed a guy who knows the system so that the offense would be sharp from the start.

Also, Cousins will be a free agent and just like Hoyer he knows the system.

Soon Watson, similar to Kap will forget how to play football or the league will catch up to him because qb's like Watson are unable to sustain long term success. So glad we chose Thomas over Watson.

Vince Young and RG3 says hi.

Colin Kaepernick says hi while kneeling, he was awesome at that read option stuff!!

.......we'll come back to this post in two years. Until then I'd hold off on crowning him.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by miked1978:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
Solon Thomas looks good too though. We 100% needed to draft Thomas to solidify our D-Line. We may even need to go d-line in the first round for the next two years in order to secure pass rushing DE's.

Dashon Watson looks good, but we have Brian Hoyer who knows KS system. We needed a guy who knows the system so that the offense would be sharp from the start.

Also, Cousins will be a free agent and just like Hoyer he knows the system.

Soon Watson, similar to Kap will forget how to play football or the league will catch up to him because qb's like Watson are unable to sustain long term success. So glad we chose Thomas over Watson.

So I guess you'd rather them reach for a QB they weren't sold on?

If things continue it'll be interesting to see if our GM/HC/OC is going to admit he was wrong about his QB choices this past offseason once the regular season is over...

Why?? Shanahan doesn't prefer a QB like Watson, look at his track record......and don't say RG3 who was forced onto the Shanahan's.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by miked1978:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
Solon Thomas looks good too though. We 100% needed to draft Thomas to solidify our D-Line. We may even need to go d-line in the first round for the next two years in order to secure pass rushing DE's.

Dashon Watson looks good, but we have Brian Hoyer who knows KS system. We needed a guy who knows the system so that the offense would be sharp from the start.

Also, Cousins will be a free agent and just like Hoyer he knows the system.

Soon Watson, similar to Kap will forget how to play football or the league will catch up to him because qb's like Watson are unable to sustain long term success. So glad we chose Thomas over Watson.

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So I guess you'd rather them reach for a QB they weren't sold on?

If things continue it'll be interesting to see if our GM/HC/OC is going to admit he was wrong about his QB choices this past offseason once the regular season is over...

Why?? Shanahan doesn't prefer a QB like Watson, look at his track record......and don't say RG3 who was forced onto the Shanahan's.

Talking about the choice of Hoyer over drafting ANY of the top QB's or going into the available market last offseason

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by miked1978:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
Solon Thomas looks good too though. We 100% needed to draft Thomas to solidify our D-Line. We may even need to go d-line in the first round for the next two years in order to secure pass rushing DE's.

Dashon Watson looks good, but we have Brian Hoyer who knows KS system. We needed a guy who knows the system so that the offense would be sharp from the start.

Also, Cousins will be a free agent and just like Hoyer he knows the system.

Soon Watson, similar to Kap will forget how to play football or the league will catch up to him because qb's like Watson are unable to sustain long term success. So glad we chose Thomas over Watson.

So I guess you'd rather them reach for a QB they weren't sold on?

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If things continue it'll be interesting to see if our GM/HC/OC is going to admit he was wrong about his QB choices this past offseason once the regular season is over...

Why?? Shanahan doesn't prefer a QB like Watson, look at his track record......and don't say RG3 who was forced onto the Shanahan's.

Talking about the choice of Hoyer over drafting ANY of the top QB's or going into the available market last offseason

But the top QB's came from a Spread option or Air Raid, that's why I said "like Watson". Hoyer was signed to install Shanahan's offense, regardless of how the season went. Did you think with a 75% change in roster with Hoyer at QB they were going to the playoffs?

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by miked1978:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
Solon Thomas looks good too though. We 100% needed to draft Thomas to solidify our D-Line. We may even need to go d-line in the first round for the next two years in order to secure pass rushing DE's.

Dashon Watson looks good, but we have Brian Hoyer who knows KS system. We needed a guy who knows the system so that the offense would be sharp from the start.

Also, Cousins will be a free agent and just like Hoyer he knows the system.

Soon Watson, similar to Kap will forget how to play football or the league will catch up to him because qb's like Watson are unable to sustain long term success. So glad we chose Thomas over Watson.

So I guess you'd rather them reach for a QB they weren't sold on?

If things continue it'll be interesting to see if our GM/HC/OC is going to admit he was wrong about his QB choices this past offseason once the regular season is over...

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Why?? Shanahan doesn't prefer a QB like Watson, look at his track record......and don't say RG3 who was forced onto the Shanahan's.

Talking about the choice of Hoyer over drafting ANY of the top QB's or going into the available market last offseason

But the top QB's came from a Spread option or Air Raid, that's why I said "like Watson". Hoyer was signed to install Shanahan's offense, regardless of how the season went. Did you think with a 75% change in roster with Hoyer at QB they were going to the playoffs?

I didn't think they would be 0-4 and struggling to score any TD's.

Originally posted by miked1978:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Solon Thomas looks good too though. We 100% needed to draft Thomas to solidify our D-Line. We may even need to go d-line in the first round for the next two years in order to secure pass rushing DE's.

Dashon Watson looks good, but we have Brian Hoyer who knows KS system. We needed a guy who knows the system so that the offense would be sharp from the start.

Also, Cousins will be a free agent and just like Hoyer he knows the system.

Soon Watson, similar to Kap will forget how to play football or the league will catch up to him because qb's like Watson are unable to sustain long term success. So glad we chose Thomas over Watson.

So I guess you'd rather them reach for a QB they weren't sold on?

Nah, I'm more interested in understanding why KS didn't realize Watson was a good QB and Hoyer is a horrible QB since he is a "Qb guru" you know?

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by miked1978:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
Solon Thomas looks good too though. We 100% needed to draft Thomas to solidify our D-Line. We may even need to go d-line in the first round for the next two years in order to secure pass rushing DE's.

Dashon Watson looks good, but we have Brian Hoyer who knows KS system. We needed a guy who knows the system so that the offense would be sharp from the start.

Also, Cousins will be a free agent and just like Hoyer he knows the system.

Soon Watson, similar to Kap will forget how to play football or the league will catch up to him because qb's like Watson are unable to sustain long term success. So glad we chose Thomas over Watson.

So I guess you'd rather them reach for a QB they weren't sold on?

If things continue it'll be interesting to see if our GM/HC/OC is going to admit he was wrong about his QB choices this past offseason once the regular season is over...

Why?? Shanahan doesn't prefer a QB like Watson, look at his track record......and don't say RG3 who was forced onto the Shanahan's.

+ Show all quotes Talking about the choice of Hoyer over drafting ANY of the top QB's or going into the available market last offseason

But the top QB's came from a Spread option or Air Raid, that's why I said "like Watson". Hoyer was signed to install Shanahan's offense, regardless of how the season went. Did you think with a 75% change in roster with Hoyer at QB they were going to the playoffs?

I didn't think they would be 0-4 and struggling to score any TD's.

FWIW, opposing teams struggle to score against our defense too, 49ers have played 4 outta four teams very close and those were division rivals. Oh and I'm sure you've seen the "49ers lead the league in drop" thread in Ninertalk right!!! If that was a rookie QB, that excuse would be thrown out every hour on the hour, but since it's Hoyer, let's overlook that.

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by miked1978:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
Solon Thomas looks good too though. We 100% needed to draft Thomas to solidify our D-Line. We may even need to go d-line in the first round for the next two years in order to secure pass rushing DE's.

Dashon Watson looks good, but we have Brian Hoyer who knows KS system. We needed a guy who knows the system so that the offense would be sharp from the start.

Also, Cousins will be a free agent and just like Hoyer he knows the system.

Soon Watson, similar to Kap will forget how to play football or the league will catch up to him because qb's like Watson are unable to sustain long term success. So glad we chose Thomas over Watson.

So I guess you'd rather them reach for a QB they weren't sold on?

Nah, I'm more interested in understanding why KS didn't realize Watson was a good QB and Hoyer is a horrible QB since he is a "Qb guru" you know?

Not sure how many times you're gonna forget that Hoyer was brought in to install his offense, not because Hoyer is the QBOTF.

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