Deshaun Watson, QB, Clemson - Legit alternative to Jared Goff in 2017?

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

This whole thing makes me sad. I've never been that guy but the idea of trading for Watson for a huge price when we could've had him at number 3 overall and it would not have been an overdraft AT THE TIME.

I think after 4 years of what we have had as well as what Kirk Cousins has produced has to have changed Kyle's mind on QB evaluation.

I know what you mean but at the time they were trying to build that defensive line and Thomas was highly rated that year. I know he's been a bust but they were drafting what they thought was going to be a good versatile player. Mahomes and Watson went 10th and 12th so there are some other teams wishing they had a do over too, especially Chicago who drafted Trubisky #2 overall.

If we drafted Watson instead of Solly, we wouldn't have been in position to draft Bosa. Our 3rd round pick wouldn't have been wasted on a 3rd string QB aka CJ. Watson would then replace Hoyer half way through the year (if he wasn't starting from day 1) and the Jimmy G trade would have never been made. Watson would definitely be our full time starter in 2018 and there is probably a great chance he lasts longer then the 3 or 4 games Jimmy played before he demolished his knee if not plays the entire year. We would have for sure won more games that year just on the fact that Watson is more durable then Jimmy.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I know what you mean but at the time they were trying to build that defensive line and Thomas was highly rated that year. I know he's been a bust but they were drafting what they thought was going to be a good versatile player. Mahomes and Watson went 10th and 12th so there are some other teams wishing they had a do over too, especially Chicago who drafted Trubisky #2 overall.

They´re always trying to build the defensive line and that´s one of the main mistakes this FO has made.

-Interior O-linemen drafted in 3 years: 0
The interior of our O-line sucks.

-Defensive backs drafted in the last 2 years: 1
All our defensive backs except for Ward are free agents

-QB´s drafted in 4 years: 1
We´ll need 3 new QB´s next season

This won't EVER happen. Put the pipe down and stop dreaming #PipeDream

Watson >>> JG all day, but we need to worry more about the secondary, fixing the Oline and staying healthy all around.

Originally posted by Wolf_Packer_53:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

This whole thing makes me sad. I've never been that guy but the idea of trading for Watson for a huge price when we could've had him at number 3 overall and it would not have been an overdraft AT THE TIME.

I think after 4 years of what we have had as well as what Kirk Cousins has produced has to have changed Kyle's mind on QB evaluation.

I know what you mean but at the time they were trying to build that defensive line and Thomas was highly rated that year. I know he's been a bust but they were drafting what they thought was going to be a good versatile player. Mahomes and Watson went 10th and 12th so there are some other teams wishing they had a do over too, especially Chicago who drafted Trubisky #2 overall.

If we drafted Watson instead of Solly, we wouldn't have been in position to draft Bosa. Our 3rd round pick wouldn't have been wasted on a 3rd string QB aka CJ. Watson would then replace Hoyer half way through the year (if he wasn't starting from day 1) and the Jimmy G trade would have never been made. Watson would definitely be our full time starter in 2018 and there is probably a great chance he lasts longer then the 3 or 4 games Jimmy played before he demolished his knee if not plays the entire year. We would have for sure won more games that year just on the fact that Watson is more durable then Jimmy.

Who gives 1 crap about Bosa when we could've had a top 5 QB in the league in his early 20s? I'll take the franchise QB every time and 5 times on Sunday. Shanahan and Lynch have a chance to rectify their mistake by moving up for one of Zach Wilson or Fields this year when the draft rolls around. Give Miami 2 firsts, a 2nd and a 3rd from Saleh leaving and then we can have our QB.

Originally posted by PuckFarag10:

Originally posted by Wolf_Packer_53:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

This whole thing makes me sad. I've never been that guy but the idea of trading for Watson for a huge price when we could've had him at number 3 overall and it would not have been an overdraft AT THE TIME.

I think after 4 years of what we have had as well as what Kirk Cousins has produced has to have changed Kyle's mind on QB evaluation.

I know what you mean but at the time they were trying to build that defensive line and Thomas was highly rated that year. I know he's been a bust but they were drafting what they thought was going to be a good versatile player. Mahomes and Watson went 10th and 12th so there are some other teams wishing they had a do over too, especially Chicago who drafted Trubisky #2 overall.

If we drafted Watson instead of Solly, we wouldn't have been in position to draft Bosa. Our 3rd round pick wouldn't have been wasted on a 3rd string QB aka CJ. Watson would then replace Hoyer half way through the year (if he wasn't starting from day 1) and the Jimmy G trade would have never been made. Watson would definitely be our full time starter in 2018 and there is probably a great chance he lasts longer then the 3 or 4 games Jimmy played before he demolished his knee if not plays the entire year. We would have for sure won more games that year just on the fact that Watson is more durable then Jimmy.

Who gives 1 crap about Bosa when we could've had a top 5 QB in the league in his early 20s? I'll take the franchise QB every time and 5 times on Sunday. Shanahan and Lynch have a chance to rectify their mistake by moving up for one of Zach Wilson or Fields this year when the draft rolls around. Give Miami 2 firsts, a 2nd and a 3rd from Saleh leaving and then we can have our QB.

Top 5 QB in the league in his early 20s doesn't necessarily translate to victories, see Texans, Houston. The one year we had Bosa we went to the Super Bowl, a game Watson has yet to make despite having two professional years on Bosa. I give a 💩 about Bosa!

Originally posted by JustinNiner:

Man...three 1st round picks and Garappolo for Watson? I think I would rather use two first rounders to trade up for Fields or Wilson and roll into 2021 with Garappolo & the rookie QB.

If the price tag is that much , no doubt that's better

Originally posted by PRIMETIME21:

Originally posted by JustinNiner:
Man...three 1st round picks and Garappolo for Watson? I think I would rather use two first rounders to trade up for Fields or Wilson and roll into 2021 with Garappolo & the rookie QB.

If the price tag is that much , no doubt that's better

three 1st rounders??

ONLY Mahomes is worth that much... plus, Wats a bit overrated IMO !!!

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by PRIMETIME21:

Originally posted by JustinNiner:

Man...three 1st round picks and Garappolo for Watson? I think I would rather use two first rounders to trade up for Fields or Wilson and roll into 2021 with Garappolo & the rookie QB.

If the price tag is that much , no doubt that's better

three 1st rounders??

ONLY Mahomes is worth that much... plus, Wats a bit overrated IMO !!!

Ramsey and Mack fetched 2 firsts plus. So Watson being a 25 year old FQB makes sense as being in the neighborhood of 3 firsts.

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by PRIMETIME21:

Originally posted by JustinNiner:
Man...three 1st round picks and Garappolo for Watson? I think I would rather use two first rounders to trade up for Fields or Wilson and roll into 2021 with Garappolo & the rookie QB.

If the price tag is that much , no doubt that's better

three 1st rounders??

ONLY Mahomes is worth that much... plus, Wats a bit overrated IMO !!!

Ramsey and Mack fetched 2 firsts plus. So Watson being a 25 year old FQB makes sense as being in the neighborhood of 3 firsts.

I understand how much they will ask from him, but he's NOT that good..

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by PRIMETIME21:

Originally posted by JustinNiner:

Man...three 1st round picks and Garappolo for Watson? I think I would rather use two first rounders to trade up for Fields or Wilson and roll into 2021 with Garappolo & the rookie QB.

If the price tag is that much , no doubt that's better

three 1st rounders??

ONLY Mahomes is worth that much... plus, Wats a bit overrated IMO !!!

Ramsey and Mack fetched 2 firsts plus. So Watson being a 25 year old FQB makes sense as being in the neighborhood of 3 firsts.

I understand how much they will ask from him, but he's NOT that good..

Someone would pay for it if they were to put him on the trade block.

Washington and Chicago come to mind.

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by PRIMETIME21:

Originally posted by JustinNiner:

Man...three 1st round picks and Garappolo for Watson? I think I would rather use two first rounders to trade up for Fields or Wilson and roll into 2021 with Garappolo & the rookie QB.

If the price tag is that much , no doubt that's better

three 1st rounders??

ONLY Mahomes is worth that much... plus, Wats a bit overrated IMO !!!

Not enough. A team would have to offer me their entire draft for 2 years, then some other picks in year 3 including the 1st for me to entertain a trade of Mahommes lol.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
This whole thing makes me sad. I've never been that guy but the idea of trading for Watson for a huge price when we could've had him at number 3 overall and it would not have been an overdraft AT THE TIME.

I think after 4 years of what we have had as well as what Kirk Cousins has produced has to have changed Kyle's mind on QB evaluation.

I know what you mean but at the time they were trying to build that defensive line and Thomas was highly rated that year. I know he's been a bust but they were drafting what they thought was going to be a good versatile player. Mahomes and Watson went 10th and 12th so there are some other teams wishing they had a do over too, especially Chicago who drafted Trubisky #2 overall.

That's why I said I've never been that guy. We were on the path we were on and I'd say overall it has worked, in spite of the many losing seasons. With that said, the whole situation I think can serve as a good lesson for Kyle in terms of how he scouts QBs. Hopefully we can have our cake and eat it too next season with a strong pass rush + elevated play at the QB position, whether it's Jimmy or someone else.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Correct, he has a no-trade clause basically the life of his contract...he can waive it if he wants. He's not gonna do that to join another rebuild end of the day. People keep forgetting to talk about that when bringing up all these hypotheticals.

I guess the flip side of that is if traded "Jimmy you'll make your full salary. If you don't take this trade we're just going to cut you and you can test you value on the open market with a depressed salary cap. Good luck with that."

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by PRIMETIME21:

Originally posted by JustinNiner:

Man...three 1st round picks and Garappolo for Watson? I think I would rather use two first rounders to trade up for Fields or Wilson and roll into 2021 with Garappolo & the rookie QB.

If the price tag is that much , no doubt that's better

three 1st rounders??

ONLY Mahomes is worth that much... plus, Wats a bit overrated IMO !!!

Ramsey and Mack fetched 2 firsts plus. So Watson being a 25 year old FQB makes sense as being in the neighborhood of 3 firsts.

I understand how much they will ask from him, but he's NOT that good..

Someone would pay for it if they were to put him on the trade block.

Washington and Chicago come to mind.

He would never waive no trade clause to go to either of those teams. Watson said he would consider Miami for Tua and picks.

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by PRIMETIME21:

Originally posted by JustinNiner:

Man...three 1st round picks and Garappolo for Watson? I think I would rather use two first rounders to trade up for Fields or Wilson and roll into 2021 with Garappolo & the rookie QB.

If the price tag is that much , no doubt that's better

three 1st rounders??

ONLY Mahomes is worth that much... plus, Wats a bit overrated IMO !!!

Ramsey and Mack fetched 2 firsts plus. So Watson being a 25 year old FQB makes sense as being in the neighborhood of 3 firsts.

I understand how much they will ask from him, but he's NOT that good..

Someone would pay for it if they were to put him on the trade block.

Washington and Chicago come to mind.

He would never waive no trade clause to go to either of those teams. Watson said he would consider Miami for Tua and picks.

Why (and I ask out of ignorance, not being snarky) would Watson be interested in getting draft picks included in the deal? That would just impoverish his new team and make it harder for them to give him great weapons. Obviously the Texans want the maximum return for him, but that is different. Surely it is in Watsons interest to maximise the money and minimise the rest of the deal?