Deshaun Watson, QB, Clemson - Legit alternative to Jared Goff in 2017?

Originally posted by BOI49er:

Originally posted by DaBeegDeek:

Originally posted by BOI49er:

To win a Super Bowl over 31 other teams, you need to eat your cake and have it too. Yes you need a quarterback, but you need a team too. The way to do that is to grow your own quarterback. Then you get several years cheap, only one draft pick or perhaps also some lower ones to move up, and you keep your team. Trading for a top quarterback in his prime costs a fortune in compensation and cap space too, and imo, that's no way to become a balanced team better than every other team.

Our most valuable asset is Kyle Shanahan. He can train them, and he can attract them. If a top veteran wants to come here, let them play out their contract, and then at least we can keep lower priced talent coming in with our draft capital. That, or perhaps even more likely, pull a Steve Young and get somebody for reasonable compensation that has not achieved their potential under bad management.

I say no to Watson, and give John and Kyle a chance to work the problem. The choice isn't Watson or we do nothing.

In the meantime, we will lose some of our better players due to age and contracts. Top tier linebackers, defensive ends, offensive linemen and receivers aren't cheap either. How long would you give Shanny and Lynch to grow their own quarterback? Are you willing to gamble on a "sure thing" in the draft instead of acquiring a young, not quite in his prime Watson?

Let's make no mistakes.. Watson is one of the best in the league, and hes done it with an atrocious offensive line and zero talent for his skill positions. Jimmy, a couple first rounders and maybe something else to have him surrounded by Mostert, Kittle, Aiyuk and Deebo seems worth it to me.

I haven't seen we could get him for only 2 firsts plus Jimmy and something of lesser value. Don't forget his $39m/year is going to cost us talent too. OK if we are dickering over price, I'll go Jimmy and our first and second this year, and lets see how much of a nuisance he can make himself in Texas.

I'm kinda hoping he can talk himself out of there to the point where they give him up for anything.

This od/ed from the home page is pretty close to the truth.

Getting Watson now, while other key players are still productive and affordable, puts the team in the Super Bowl hunt for the next 2-3 years, or longer. It would cost JG plus 3/1s, 1/2, and 2/3s. We get Watson and a 2021 4th.

It would cost nearly that much draft capital to move up for Fields or Wilson, and we won't know how soon they will be able to perform at a higher level than Jimmy, or if they ever will. In the meantime, Warner and his pals put another year of NFL mileage on their bodies hoping an average QB can get them a ring.

In the meantime, Watson is a sure thing.

https://www.49erswebzone.com/commentary/2563-49ers-must-pursue-deshaun-watson/

Originally posted by dj43:

This od/ed from the home page is pretty close to the truth.

Getting Watson now, while other key players are still productive and affordable, puts the team in the Super Bowl hunt for the next 2-3 years, or longer. It would cost JG plus 3/1s, 1/2, and 2/3s. We get Watson and a 2021 4th.

It would cost nearly that much draft capital to move up for Fields or Wilson, and we won't know how soon they will be able to perform at a higher level than Jimmy, or if they ever will. In the meantime, Warner and his pals put another year of NFL mileage on their bodies hoping an average QB can get them a ring.

In the meantime, Watson is a sure thing.

https://www.49erswebzone.com/commentary/2563-49ers-must-pursue-deshaun-watson/

The reason trading for "sure things" doesn't make teams like Washington power houses is that when you trade for something, you are not adding value, and when you pay the price for top talent, you have little room to make them better to add that value. You also run a risk and have a lot to lose if their health or your system or team don't compliment what made them so good in the first place in their previous system.

To me, the only "sure thing" is the best teams build and train through the draft better than others, and for that, you need a better F.O. and HC, and I'm satisfied we do.

For the current year, you could get as much as 71M in cap space by trading Jimmy G, and cutting Ford and Richburg with post june 1 designations.
Watson would only count for 15M this season. You have around 55M left to sign Trent Williams, Kyle Juice, perhaps even lure Corey Linsley in FA and improve this horrific OL, keep the ERFA like Jeff Wilson and Brunskill, Kwaun and some secondary guys. And you could even extend Fred Warner with a nice contract structure.
In 2022 the cap hit from Deshaun would be around 40M and you'd have like 20M left or so. You already extended your best FA for that year in Fred. The only other notable names on that FA pool are Raheem Mostert and McGlinchey if the 5th year option isn't picked. You're eating Richburg and Ford dead money because of the post june 1 designations.
Watson salary for the next years fluctuates around 35 ~ 42 but the cap should go up, and you're not paying first rounders who usually are around 3M per year.
Yeah this forum wouldn't have fun making mock drafts and watching day one of draft without participating. But you'd still have a great team specially if they keep Adam Peters, so other Fred Warner, Kittle, Greenlaw kind of picks can happen.

I wasn't able to watch hardly any playoff football this weekend because currently I am moving. Did Schefty or someone else report that the Watson/Texans relationship got even murkier since the original report?

Originally posted by BOI49er:

Originally posted by dj43:
This od/ed from the home page is pretty close to the truth.

Getting Watson now, while other key players are still productive and affordable, puts the team in the Super Bowl hunt for the next 2-3 years, or longer. It would cost JG plus 3/1s, 1/2, and 2/3s. We get Watson and a 2021 4th.

It would cost nearly that much draft capital to move up for Fields or Wilson, and we won't know how soon they will be able to perform at a higher level than Jimmy, or if they ever will. In the meantime, Warner and his pals put another year of NFL mileage on their bodies hoping an average QB can get them a ring.

In the meantime, Watson is a sure thing.

https://www.49erswebzone.com/commentary/2563-49ers-must-pursue-deshaun-watson/

The reason trading for "sure things" doesn't make teams like Washington power houses is that when you trade for something, you are not adding value, and when you pay the price for top talent, you have little room to make them better to add that value. You also run a risk and have a lot to lose if their health or your system or team don't compliment what made them so good in the first place in their previous system.

To me, the only "sure thing" is the best teams build and train through the draft better than others, and for that, you need a better F.O. and HC, and I'm satisfied we do.

That's why you don't trade any starters -- just picks. When healthy this is a SB roster right now. Throw in Watson and it's a lock #1 seed in the NFC for the next 3 years.

The Niners won't need 1st round picks to be productive in that timespan...everybody will be under contract or extended in that time period. Bosa, Samuel, Warner, Aiyuk, Watson, Greenlaw, Kinlaw and anybody else you could consider a "core player" would be easily controlled for the next few years.

We'll have a post-pandemic salary cap in that time frame...as well as a new TV deal for the NFL and an associated cap explosion. Niners would still have the rest of the draft to fill in the roster with quality backups. Hey, maybe even a star or two busts out...like Kittle or Warner.

Ignore my previous post. Just saw on the home page the article in which Schefty, Morte and La Canfora all said the relationship is confirmed bad.

I have no problem trading 2 or 3 first round picks for Watson because if we land him, those picks should be in the 20s or better yet #32. I'd try to hang on to as many other round picks as possible though. Throw in maybe a second one year and a 3rd a different year so we still are getting some young talent in.

Originally posted by BOI49er:

Originally posted by dj43:

This od/ed from the home page is pretty close to the truth.

Getting Watson now, while other key players are still productive and affordable, puts the team in the Super Bowl hunt for the next 2-3 years, or longer. It would cost JG plus 3/1s, 1/2, and 2/3s. We get Watson and a 2021 4th.

It would cost nearly that much draft capital to move up for Fields or Wilson, and we won't know how soon they will be able to perform at a higher level than Jimmy, or if they ever will. In the meantime, Warner and his pals put another year of NFL mileage on their bodies hoping an average QB can get them a ring.

In the meantime, Watson is a sure thing.

https://www.49erswebzone.com/commentary/2563-49ers-must-pursue-deshaun-watson/

The reason trading for "sure things" doesn't make teams like Washington power houses is that when you trade for something, you are not adding value, and when you pay the price for top talent, you have little room to make them better to add that value. You also run a risk and have a lot to lose if their health or your system or team don't compliment what made them so good in the first place in their previous system.

To me, the only "sure thing" is the best teams build and train through the draft better than others, and for that, you need a better F.O. and HC, and I'm satisfied we do.

It doesn't matter how well you draft a team, you're only good as your QB

i am surprised that people would trade 3 first round picks and JG. Jimmy isn't a scrub. He is an above average QB and elite at some things. JG, a first and a 3rd or so should be more than enough.

Am I the only one in here thinks Watson the player is overrated?

Originally posted by rathman4481:

Am I the only one in here thinks Watson the player is overrated?

9moon is with you and that's about it lol

Originally posted by richterkbelmont:

For the current year, you could get as much as 71M in cap space by trading Jimmy G, and cutting Ford and Richburg with post june 1 designations.
Watson would only count for 15M this season. You have around 55M left to sign Trent Williams, Kyle Juice, perhaps even lure Corey Linsley in FA and improve this horrific OL, keep the ERFA like Jeff Wilson and Brunskill, Kwaun and some secondary guys. And you could even extend Fred Warner with a nice contract structure.
In 2022 the cap hit from Deshaun would be around 40M and you'd have like 20M left or so. You already extended your best FA for that year in Fred. The only other notable names on that FA pool are Raheem Mostert and McGlinchey if the 5th year option isn't picked. You're eating Richburg and Ford dead money because of the post june 1 designations.
Watson salary for the next years fluctuates around 35 ~ 42 but the cap should go up, and you're not paying first rounders who usually are around 3M per year.
Yeah this forum wouldn't have fun making mock drafts and watching day one of draft without participating. But you'd still have a great team specially if they keep Adam Peters, so other Fred Warner, Kittle, Greenlaw kind of picks can happen.

Great post and I totally agree

Originally posted by richterkbelmont:
For the current year, you could get as much as 71M in cap space by trading Jimmy G, and cutting Ford and Richburg with post june 1 designations.
Watson would only count for 15M this season. You have around 55M left to sign Trent Williams, Kyle Juice, perhaps even lure Corey Linsley in FA and improve this horrific OL, keep the ERFA like Jeff Wilson and Brunskill, Kwaun and some secondary guys. And you could even extend Fred Warner with a nice contract structure.
In 2022 the cap hit from Deshaun would be around 40M and you'd have like 20M left or so. You already extended your best FA for that year in Fred. The only other notable names on that FA pool are Raheem Mostert and McGlinchey if the 5th year option isn't picked. You're eating Richburg and Ford dead money because of the post june 1 designations.
Watson salary for the next years fluctuates around 35 ~ 42 but the cap should go up, and you're not paying first rounders who usually are around 3M per year.
Yeah this forum wouldn't have fun making mock drafts and watching day one of draft without participating. But you'd still have a great team specially if they keep Adam Peters, so other Fred Warner, Kittle, Greenlaw kind of picks can happen.

Watson only counts for $10.5M in 2021.

You also don't get that cap space for Ford/Ricburg until after June 1st, if you designate them as such. No real reason to add that to the cap space because 90% of the top free agents will be gone by the time you an actually use that money. You can use it for a Warner extension (which can happen in June because he's not a free agent). I would probably just cut Richburg (if he isn't completely healthy) and make Ford a post June 1st cut.

Watson's cap hit in 2022 is $35M. His remaining cap hits through 2023/2024/2025 are $37M and $32M the remaining 2 yrs.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by richterkbelmont:
For the current year, you could get as much as 71M in cap space by trading Jimmy G, and cutting Ford and Richburg with post june 1 designations.
Watson would only count for 15M this season. You have around 55M left to sign Trent Williams, Kyle Juice, perhaps even lure Corey Linsley in FA and improve this horrific OL, keep the ERFA like Jeff Wilson and Brunskill, Kwaun and some secondary guys. And you could even extend Fred Warner with a nice contract structure.
In 2022 the cap hit from Deshaun would be around 40M and you'd have like 20M left or so. You already extended your best FA for that year in Fred. The only other notable names on that FA pool are Raheem Mostert and McGlinchey if the 5th year option isn't picked. You're eating Richburg and Ford dead money because of the post june 1 designations.
Watson salary for the next years fluctuates around 35 ~ 42 but the cap should go up, and you're not paying first rounders who usually are around 3M per year.
Yeah this forum wouldn't have fun making mock drafts and watching day one of draft without participating. But you'd still have a great team specially if they keep Adam Peters, so other Fred Warner, Kittle, Greenlaw kind of picks can happen.

Watson only counts for $10.5M in 2021.

You also don't get that cap space for Ford/Ricburg until after June 1st, if you designate them as such. No real reason to add that to the cap space because 90% of the top free agents will be gone by the time you an actually use that money. You can use it for a Warner extension (which can happen in June because he's not a free agent). I would probably just cut Richburg (if he isn't completely healthy) and make Ford a post June 1st cut.

Watson's cap hit in 2022 is $35M. His remaining cap hits through 2023/2024/2025 are $37M and $32M the remaining 2 yrs.

They can actually agree to sign deals with whoever they want and only make the signings official once you get the cap money, it's done often and one of the reasons teams are limited to two post june 1 cuts. They should apply all the extensions before they even hit FA so there's 0 chance other teams snag them.
I indeed forgot Houston would still have to absorb some of the damage from the Watson deal.
Ford is the one who needs to go as his availability for 2021 is already in question and he has barely played. Dude could even consider retiring.