Patrick Mahomes QB

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
The QB on the team that you guys love, knew how to run an offense the way Harbaugh favored, and yes he had a strong arm to go along with that. Right now all you're looking at is Mahomes 5,000 passing yards and strong arm. Kliff Kingsbury probably had the best pocket awareness and accurate arm in college football back in 2002 and the dude went in the 6th round. Now all of a sudden Texas tech has a QB with a strong arm, mobile and throws for 5,000 yards and everything you people have said about the Air Raid gets thrown out the window.

Have a nice day.

According to who?

Says the NCAA or did you think Kingsbury earned all those first place stats in 2002 because he plays playstation.

Says the NCAA??? He played in an Air Raid offense and you're going to try to use his college stats as evidence that he had the most accurate arm? As others have pointed out, Air Raid QBs typically have completion percentages of 65-70% even if they aren't especially talented. B.J. Symons put up numbers just as good in 2003. Graham Harrell put up better numbers in 2007-2008, but was considered a one-read QB without great deep accuracy coming out of college. No one is going to pick Mahomes in the first 3 rounds because of his stats coming out of that offense - if he declares for the NFL, he'll be taken as a project due to his considerable upside (athleticism, arm strength), but there's no way of knowing if he's NFL ready now coming out of that offense.

For what it's worth, Mahomes' stats as a junior are also much better than Kingsbury's were as a junior or senior. He has more passing yards through 2 fewer games and 8.5 yards per attempt instead of 7.0. He's also a much more effective runner and has a better arm. They aren't really comparable as draft prospects. Mahomes is raw, but looks like a 2nd or 3rd round pick when he chooses to come out. There's plenty of reasons why he should be selected several rounds before Kingsbury was (age, size, athleticism, arm talent, better stats with less supporting talent).

The fact you are even comparing Mahomes and Kingsbury's stats is exactly the point I'm trying to make.

(If you went back and read my full arguement that is)

Your argument was that Kingsbury fell to the 6th round due to playing in the Air Raid offense and we aren't penalizing Mahomes enough for playing in that offense.

My argument was that Mahomes is a better prospect across the board than Kingsbury so a 2nd-3rd round grade already incorporates discounting his stats for the type of offense he was in. I only compared their stats because your entire argument that Kingsbury was better (more accurate and had better pocket awareness) was based on his stats and winning an award for those stats in college. Mahomes has better stats in addition to being younger, bigger, and more athletic, and having more arm talent. He also put up those stats without as much talent around him. The QB after Kingsbury was just as good with a very similar roster in 2003.

Factoring in the offense they played in, Kingsbury was a 6th round prospect and Mahomes is a 2nd or 3rd round prospect in my opinion. They are very different prospects.

That was NOT my argument at all. But yah I'm over it moving on.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Yes first place stats, he owns 7 that year.

Um look again, Kingsbury has 180 more pass completions than Brian Jones, Leftwich and Schaub. Truly you aren't just gonna use that stat to prove me wrong. smh.

Kingsbury won the Sammy Baugh trophy that year, that alone should pretty much prove my point. And if you want to bring up all his Youtube videos be my guess.

Oh yah didn't I just say pocket awareness too, funny how you don't argue that. my work is done here.

I guess you missed when i said just because he passed the ball more doesn't mean he was more accurate. He had more completions because he attempted 712 passes that year. Is David Webb (61.6%) more accurate then Mitch Trubisky (68.9%) because Webb has 101 more completed passes?

As far as the Sammy Baugh trophy... If you can explain to me what exactly "the nation's top college passer" means, i would like to know. Since last years winner Matt Johnson was pretty much out done in every statistical category by Brandon Doughty. Seems they just give it out to whoever puts up big numbers, not whoever lead in the most categories or had the highest accuracy.

With the Pocket awareness claim. If you can explain how he was tops at that i would like to know. Since he last played 14 years ago at a school that was not on TV every week back then and YouTube or live streaming wasn't a thing yet.

FYI this entire argument was about accuracy and pocket awareness not who put up the most stats that year. I think you lost this one.

LOL now you're really reaching....explain to you what the Sammy Baugh trophy means, are you serious.

Yes, this argument is not about stats, but how can you argue against how well Kingsbury passed from the pocket and how poised he was.

Explaining what I mean by pocket awareness and/or poise is getting tiresome year after year, why don't you tell me how Kingsbury is NOT??

The problem with you is you're taking a very small piece of context and blowing it up to something you just can't seem to let go. And since you say I lost the argument, that's all fine and all but you're gonna have to wait next month for your Webzone cookie because I think we ran out.

I have to say, he reminds me a little bit of Roethlisberger in college. Similar body type, big arm, and made a lot of plays on the move. Ben was more of a natural passer but Mahomes has the ability to make every throw needed. I'm a big fan

Can't wait until he makes his decision known.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
He did say he plans on staying...doesn't makes sense to me have to wait and see

Still think he's a 3rd round pick based on all the other talent at other positons in the top 64 picks...he reminds me of Dak but not as polished.

He looks a lot like Kap to me.

Originally posted by Ninerfan84:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

He did say he plans on staying...doesn't makes sense to me have to wait and see

Still think he's a 3rd round pick based on all the other talent at other positons in the top 64 picks...he reminds me of Dak but not as polished.

He looks a lot like Kap to me.

66% comp percentage 4,700 yard yards and 36 TD not too shabby...Cosell threw out the Dak comp.

Originally posted by Ninerfan84:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
He did say he plans on staying...doesn't makes sense to me have to wait and see

Still think he's a 3rd round pick based on all the other talent at other positons in the top 64 picks...he reminds me of Dak but not as polished.

He looks a lot like Kap to me.

How so? Kap was a true dual-threat QB in college rushing for 1,206 yards & 20 TDs (Mahomes has 285 yards & 12 TDs). Passing wise Mahomes had 5,052 yards and 41 TDs, while Kap had just 3,022 yards and 21 TDs.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by Ninerfan84:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
He did say he plans on staying...doesn't makes sense to me have to wait and see

Still think he's a 3rd round pick based on all the other talent at other positons in the top 64 picks...he reminds me of Dak but not as polished.

He looks a lot like Kap to me.

How so? Kap was a true dual-threat QB in college rushing for 1,206 yards & 20 TDs (Mahomes has 285 yards & 12 TDs). Passing wise Mahomes had 5,052 yards and 41 TDs, while Kap had just 3,022 yards and 21 TDs.

Not regarding his stats, just his style of play. His movements in the pocket, the way he scrambles out of it, throws well going to his left, seems like he has a pretty big arm, size, etc.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Ninerfan84:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
He did say he plans on staying...doesn't makes sense to me have to wait and see

Still think he's a 3rd round pick based on all the other talent at other positons in the top 64 picks...he reminds me of Dak but not as polished.

He looks a lot like Kap to me.

66% comp percentage 4,700 yard yards and 36 TD not too shabby...Cosell threw out the Dak comp.

Not necessarily a bad thing but that's who I was reminded of when watching his clips. If he's a better passer than Kap all the better.

Originally posted by Ninerfan84:
Not regarding his stats, just his style of play. His movements in the pocket, the way he scrambles out of it, throws well going to his left, seems like he has a pretty big arm, size, etc.

He's a lot more fluid than Kaepernick. Kaepernick isn't very elusive, he moves robot like but has the speed to get loose if you give him open space, however when the pocket is collapsing around him he has a tendency to run right into a pass rusher. Mahomes has better quickness and agility.


He does have the same issues with touch on shorter to intermediate throws though, a similar tendency to try and gun throws in rather than adjusting the velocity. Kaepernick failed to develop that necessary touch, its something that Mahomes would have to really work at from the get go to improve upon.


He does have a legitimate cannon for an arm though, he just needs to learn to harness it better.

Working with an offensive minded coach from the outset and Mahomes being allowed to sit would serve him well.

I thought he said he was staying last week?

Originally posted by NorthBay49er:
I thought he said he was staying last week?

If he's staying, then my dreams of Myles Garrett at number 2 are over.

Originally posted by NorthBay49er:

I thought he said he was staying last week?

IIRC, it was a lot like what Falk said. I think the phrasing, "If I had to decide today," was used.

I haven't watched Mahomes play besides highlights and YouTube videos. Who does he actually compare to and are his problems fixable? People are thinking this guy will go in the 3rd or whatever but it seems likely he's 3rd or 4th best in the draft and will likely be done by early 2nd. He reminds me of a Russell Wilson type player. Does he have a future in the League?