Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:
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Says the NCAA??? He played in an Air Raid offense and you're going to try to use his college stats as evidence that he had the most accurate arm? As others have pointed out, Air Raid QBs typically have completion percentages of 65-70% even if they aren't especially talented. B.J. Symons put up numbers just as good in 2003. Graham Harrell put up better numbers in 2007-2008, but was considered a one-read QB without great deep accuracy coming out of college. No one is going to pick Mahomes in the first 3 rounds because of his stats coming out of that offense - if he declares for the NFL, he'll be taken as a project due to his considerable upside (athleticism, arm strength), but there's no way of knowing if he's NFL ready now coming out of that offense.
For what it's worth, Mahomes' stats as a junior are also much better than Kingsbury's were as a junior or senior. He has more passing yards through 2 fewer games and 8.5 yards per attempt instead of 7.0. He's also a much more effective runner and has a better arm. They aren't really comparable as draft prospects. Mahomes is raw, but looks like a 2nd or 3rd round pick when he chooses to come out. There's plenty of reasons why he should be selected several rounds before Kingsbury was (age, size, athleticism, arm talent, better stats with less supporting talent).
The fact you are even comparing Mahomes and Kingsbury's stats is exactly the point I'm trying to make.
(If you went back and read my full arguement that is)
Your argument was that Kingsbury fell to the 6th round due to playing in the Air Raid offense and we aren't penalizing Mahomes enough for playing in that offense.
My argument was that Mahomes is a better prospect across the board than Kingsbury so a 2nd-3rd round grade already incorporates discounting his stats for the type of offense he was in. I only compared their stats because your entire argument that Kingsbury was better (more accurate and had better pocket awareness) was based on his stats and winning an award for those stats in college. Mahomes has better stats in addition to being younger, bigger, and more athletic, and having more arm talent. He also put up those stats without as much talent around him. The QB after Kingsbury was just as good with a very similar roster in 2003.
Factoring in the offense they played in, Kingsbury was a 6th round prospect and Mahomes is a 2nd or 3rd round prospect in my opinion. They are very different prospects.
That was NOT my argument at all. But yah I'm over it moving on.