Patrick Mahomes QB

This guy is my draft crush at QB and hope we can take him with our 2nd round pick. I think he could become top class with the proper coaching, which I have huge confidence in Shanahan delivering.

I also wouldn't mind a move to the bottom of the first. It ensures us we can get him and gives us a 5-year contract as opposef to 4.

Would love the pick, anywhere. Matt Waldman a member of the Youtube scouting community did a good report of him if you have the time.

Originally posted by fan49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:
People see what they want to see, or what experience has conditioned them to see. Here's a mixed, athletic kid with a big arm who scrambles, so he must be a Kap clone. Nevermind that he scrambles to pass, runs less, throws more, looks off safeties, drops touch passes in the cover 2 hole, and changes throwing platforms to avoid deflection by pass rushers. There are numerous examples of him going through progressions (Google is your friend), changing plays at the LOS, and manipulating coverage. Look harder.

That can go both ways I see a kid that plays backyard football misses easy plays, doesn't go through progressions (or really have to in that system), throws off his back foot a lot, doesn't have the footwork in general needed to run a WCO, while he does seem to scramble with his eyes down field, he scrambles when it's not needed.

He's got a great arm and their are intangibles that can't be taught be needs work a lot of it for our system. I'm not throwing the 34th pick on him for that.

What tangibles can throw a player open? can pump fake a defense to react? Or maybe that he continuously reads the field the whole field? Or maybe it's the fact that he has a cannon? Or the fact that he has touch? Those are traits that I wanted a quarterback on this team. Besides crazy accuracy that he also has

He has horrible mechanics, poor footwork in the pocket, and he'd better have a high comp % in a air raid lol.

He does not continuously read the whole field or go through progressions,while in the pocket.

Who cares about a cannon arm? that's like bottom of the list as far as needed qualities for QBs go. Also It's not like Mitch,Watson, or Kizer don't have "cannon arms" either.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
I also wouldn't mind a move to the bottom of the first. It ensures us we can get him and gives us a 5-year contract as opposef to 4.

gonna need all five yrs to fix everything and have him learn the WCO

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

I also wouldn't mind a move to the bottom of the first. It ensures us we can get him and gives us a 5-year contract as opposef to 4.

gonna need all five yrs to fix everything and have him learn the WCO

I understand all points to a possible headache and tough learning curve coming from a TT offense going to a Shanahan offense but you never kno if he can't learn or learns fast and dominates until it happens, reports are he's a very bright kid with a work ethnic and drive that is great..id take my chance with this kid..I think he has a higher upside then a lot of QBs in this draft..he has all the physical tools just needs to be coached up and that's Shanahans job..so many ways to go, I wouldn't mind keeping kap or signing Hoyer and this kid sitting and learning, I think 1-2 yrs and he's ready..not 5.. If it was 5 teams would see him as a 5th round pick..

Originally posted by jersey49er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

I also wouldn't mind a move to the bottom of the first. It ensures us we can get him and gives us a 5-year contract as opposef to 4.

gonna need all five yrs to fix everything and have him learn the WCO

I understand all points to a possible headache and tough learning curve coming from a TT offense going to a Shanahan offense but you never kno if he can't learn or learns fast and dominates until it happens, reports are he's a very bright kid with a work ethnic and drive that is great..id take my chance with this kid..I think he has a higher upside then a lot of QBs in this draft..he has all the physical tools just needs to be coached up and that's Shanahans job..so many ways to go, I wouldn't mind keeping kap or signing Hoyer and this kid sitting and learning, I think 1-2 yrs and he's ready..not 5.. If it was 5 teams would see him as a 5th round pick..

I think he said 5 as a joke. I agree with everything else you said here. There are so few elite QBS in the NFL. Waiting a couple years to develop a guy with that potential is worth it, imo.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

I also wouldn't mind a move to the bottom of the first. It ensures us we can get him and gives us a 5-year contract as opposef to 4.

Me too

Originally posted by jersey49er:
I understand all points to a possible headache and tough learning curve coming from a TT offense going to a Shanahan offense but you never kno if he can't learn or learns fast and dominates until it happens, reports are he's a very bright kid with a work ethnic and drive that is great..id take my chance with this kid..I think he has a higher upside then a lot of QBs in this draft..he has all the physical tools just needs to be coached up and that's Shanahans job..so many ways to go, I wouldn't mind keeping kap or signing Hoyer and this kid sitting and learning, I think 1-2 yrs and he's ready..not 5.. If it was 5 teams would see him as a 5th round pick..

I mean I was kinda kidding on the 5 yrs I do think he would be a total developmental QB prospect in our system and while he has a cool highlight reel, I don't see the fit in a WCO.

We already have a ton of developmental prospects on this team and with our first three picks I'd prefer more NFL ready players because that's what we need. I'll add how many QB have sat and learned for two yrs that actually became great QBs? Yes I know the Rogers situation, but more times then not they turn into projects that never reach their potential or really never had it. I'm not wasting a top 34 pick on that.

Originally posted by WRATHman44:
I think he said 5 as a joke. I agree with everything else you said here. There are so few elite QBS in the NFL. Waiting a couple years to develop a guy with that potential is worth it, imo.

yeah I was kidding...waiting a couple yrs smh. How many times has that worked out for a QB? Outside of Rogers not a ton.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

I think he said 5 as a joke. I agree with everything else you said here. There are so few elite QBS in the NFL. Waiting a couple years to develop a guy with that potential is worth it, imo.

yeah I was kidding...waiting a couple yrs smh. How many times has that worked out for a QB? Outside of Rogers not a ton.

I was thinking that before but then asked how many teams actually were patient like GB was..I can't think of many QBs that really were sat for a year or 2 to learn, Carson Palmer with Jon Kitna playing..who else ?

I guess I'm saying and asking as Rodgers and Palmer were the exception, who actually sat and supposedly learned but sucked and was a bust..?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by jersey49er:

I understand all points to a possible headache and tough learning curve coming from a TT offense going to a Shanahan offense but you never kno if he can't learn or learns fast and dominates until it happens, reports are he's a very bright kid with a work ethnic and drive that is great..id take my chance with this kid..I think he has a higher upside then a lot of QBs in this draft..he has all the physical tools just needs to be coached up and that's Shanahans job..so many ways to go, I wouldn't mind keeping kap or signing Hoyer and this kid sitting and learning, I think 1-2 yrs and he's ready..not 5.. If it was 5 teams would see him as a 5th round pick..

I mean I was kinda kidding on the 5 yrs I do think he would be a total developmental QB prospect in our system and while he has a cool highlight reel, I don't see the fit in a WCO.

We already have a ton of developmental prospects on this team and with our first three picks I'd prefer more NFL ready players because that's what we need. I'll add how many QB have sat and learned for two yrs that actually became great QBs? Yes I know the Rogers situation, but more times then not they turn into projects that never reach their potential or really never had it. I'm not wasting a top 34 pick on that.

Normally QBs with 1st or 2nd round talent don't sit that long. Teams don't have the patience. It's purely opinion, but I think the QB success rate would rise if guys were given that opportunity and had quality coaching. On the quarterback's end they must have a high football IQ, strong work ethic, and a quick decision maker. If KS decides Mahomes has those things, why not?

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by jersey49er:

I understand all points to a possible headache and tough learning curve coming from a TT offense going to a Shanahan offense but you never kno if he can't learn or learns fast and dominates until it happens, reports are he's a very bright kid with a work ethnic and drive that is great..id take my chance with this kid..I think he has a higher upside then a lot of QBs in this draft..he has all the physical tools just needs to be coached up and that's Shanahans job..so many ways to go, I wouldn't mind keeping kap or signing Hoyer and this kid sitting and learning, I think 1-2 yrs and he's ready..not 5.. If it was 5 teams would see him as a 5th round pick..

I mean I was kinda kidding on the 5 yrs I do think he would be a total developmental QB prospect in our system and while he has a cool highlight reel, I don't see the fit in a WCO.

We already have a ton of developmental prospects on this team and with our first three picks I'd prefer more NFL ready players because that's what we need. I'll add how many QB have sat and learned for two yrs that actually became great QBs? Yes I know the Rogers situation, but more times then not they turn into projects that never reach their potential or really never had it. I'm not wasting a top 34 pick on that.

Normally QBs with 1st or 2nd round talent don't sit that long. Teams don't have the patience. It's purely opinion, but I think the QB success rate would rise if guys were given that opportunity and had quality coaching. On the quarterback's end they must have a high football IQ, strong work ethic, and a quick decision maker. If KS decides Mahomes has those things, why not?

I agree, and the fact we all kno this isn't a 1 yr fix thing..Keeo Kap or sign a vet who knows KS offense and can help teach Mahomes..everyone preaches patience with the actual rebuild, if Mahomes is the guy drafted we should all be patient with him too..