Patrick Mahomes QB

I'm all for a couple vets and a developmental prospect. I think Shanahan can win with:

Hoyer- Schaub - Mahomes/Webb

Originally posted by strickac:

I'm all for a couple vets and a developmental prospect. I think Shanahan can win with:

Hoyer- Schaub - Mahomes/Webb

Way higher on Mahomes then Webb..but I agree

Originally posted by jersey49er:

Way higher on Mahomes then Webb..but I agree

I think he's more talented, but I think Webb is a better fit.

Originally posted by strickac:

Originally posted by jersey49er:

Way higher on Mahomes then Webb..but I agree

I think he's more talented, but I think Webb is a better fit.

Can't wait to see more on all the players I'm not very familiar with this weekend, Webb being 1 of them..

Originally posted by strickac:

Originally posted by jersey49er:
Way higher on Mahomes then Webb..but I agree

I think he's more talented, but I think Webb is a better fit.

Webb is a terrible fit.

Originally posted by strickac:

I'm all for a couple vets and a developmental prospect. I think Shanahan can win with:

Hoyer- Schaub - Mahomes/Webb

Don't have a problem with, say, Hoyer and a developmental pick. But in this scenario, what benefit comes from Schaub? We aren't going all the way in '17 behind Hoyer, but if Hoyer goes down what is Schaub going to contribute? In his place we could have another rookie providing another option in the longer term.

Originally posted by jersey49er:
I guess I'm saying and asking as Rodgers and Palmer were the exception, who actually sat and supposedly learned but sucked and was a bust..?

Palmer sat for a yr, not two. That's the thing QBs don't sit and learn for a yr or two...they play and that's how they learn.

Having a guy sit for like two yrs isn't realistic especially if you're drafting him what looks to be in the 1st rd.

IMO he reminds me of Paxton Lynch

He'll probably go in the 2nd, some team will reach being there is not much talent at QB in this years draft , especially pure pocket passers , not too many college systems rely on traditional old school QB's , these days it's putting athleticism at QB and working around it , a QB that runs a pro style offense in college for 3 or 4 years is almost guaranteed a shot in the NFL, being tons of college programs run a "spread / read option system"

Mahomes is gaining a lot of steam even before the combine...he could be off the charts afterwards. The thing I like about both Mahomes & Webb is they're always looking downfield. Pat has better mobility and a cannon of an arm. He's also fearless. I'd think he'd be pretty attractive to Shanahan.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by strickac:

Originally posted by jersey49er:
Way higher on Mahomes then Webb..but I agree

I think he's more talented, but I think Webb is a better fit.

Webb is a terrible fit.

x2.

Air Raid QB with terrible accuracy. How is that a good fit for a WCO?

Originally posted by jersey49er:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by jersey49er:
I understand all points to a possible headache and tough learning curve coming from a TT offense going to a Shanahan offense but you never kno if he can't learn or learns fast and dominates until it happens, reports are he's a very bright kid with a work ethnic and drive that is great..id take my chance with this kid..I think he has a higher upside then a lot of QBs in this draft..he has all the physical tools just needs to be coached up and that's Shanahans job..so many ways to go, I wouldn't mind keeping kap or signing Hoyer and this kid sitting and learning, I think 1-2 yrs and he's ready..not 5.. If it was 5 teams would see him as a 5th round pick..

I mean I was kinda kidding on the 5 yrs I do think he would be a total developmental QB prospect in our system and while he has a cool highlight reel, I don't see the fit in a WCO.

We already have a ton of developmental prospects on this team and with our first three picks I'd prefer more NFL ready players because that's what we need. I'll add how many QB have sat and learned for two yrs that actually became great QBs? Yes I know the Rogers situation, but more times then not they turn into projects that never reach their potential or really never had it. I'm not wasting a top 34 pick on that.

Normally QBs with 1st or 2nd round talent don't sit that long. Teams don't have the patience. It's purely opinion, but I think the QB success rate would rise if guys were given that opportunity and had quality coaching. On the quarterback's end they must have a high football IQ, strong work ethic, and a quick decision maker. If KS decides Mahomes has those things, why not?

I agree, and the fact we all kno this isn't a 1 yr fix thing..Keeo Kap or sign a vet who knows KS offense and can help teach Mahomes..everyone preaches patience with the actual rebuild, if Mahomes is the guy drafted we should all be patient with him too..

THIS. Just because other teams/GMs/HCs were too impatient to wait and develop a winner, that doesn't mean that's what the 49ers have to do. Even if he sits only one year and gets situational playing time that increases in increments his second year, he's getting the opportunity to develop without being overloaded, and he by playing in short bunches of plays, Shanahan can keep him focused on the habits he wants to develop.

Joe Montana started 1 game as a rookie and 7 his second season. He took over as the starter his third season.

Steve Young didn't start more than 3 games his first 4 seasons in SF, as he was completely rebuilt from being a much wilder QB than Mahomes (imo).

Rivers sat his whole rookie year.

Favre was going to sit and develop behind Majkowski before that dude got wrecked and Favre was pressed into service (and Malkowski wasn't an awesome franchise guy to sit him behind).

Denver had nothing at QB, and they drafted Lynch to sit and develop (might not work out as well with Kubiak and his offense gone).

No one has to do it exactly the same way, but a special QB is worth waiting for.

Originally posted by WRATHman44:
Favre was going to sit and develop behind Majkowski before that dude got wrecked and Favre was pressed into service (and Malkowski wasn't an awesome franchise guy to sit him behind).

Majik Man was a pro bowler in 1989, beat the Niners that year I think.

Originally posted by babarvaart:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Favre was going to sit and develop behind Majkowski before that dude got wrecked and Favre was pressed into service (and Malkowski wasn't an awesome franchise guy to sit him behind).

Majik Man was a pro bowler in 1989, beat the Niners that year I think.

How many games did he start in the league after Favre replaced him? IMO, a 1 year pro bowler isn't awesome, just lucky. Dude started 16 games only once in his career, and he was nothing after GB. Matt freaking Schaub has had a more impressive career, and half the dudes here wouldn't even take him as a backup.

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by babarvaart:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:
Favre was going to sit and develop behind Majkowski before that dude got wrecked and Favre was pressed into service (and Malkowski wasn't an awesome franchise guy to sit him behind).

Majik Man was a pro bowler in 1989, beat the Niners that year I think.

How many games did he start in the league after Favre replaced him? IMO, a 1 year pro bowler isn't awesome, just lucky. Dude started 16 games only once in his career, and he was nothing after GB. Matt freaking Schaub has had a more impressive career, and half the dudes here wouldn't even take him as a backup.

sorry to jump in by why in the hell is Favre getting brought up with this kid? Because he's got a big arm? Dude isn't Favre...

Originally posted by English:

Don't have a problem with, say, Hoyer and a developmental pick. But in this scenario, what benefit comes from Schaub? We aren't going all the way in '17 behind Hoyer, but if Hoyer goes down what is Schaub going to contribute? In his place we could have another rookie providing another option in the longer term.

I think we would plan to stick with Hoyer all year. Schaub is depth and a mentor for the rookie. Plus, his contract is inexpensive for a QB. It's like having Gabbert or Ponder on the roster. Their cheap and have some experience. Only Schaub played really well under Kyle and knows the offense inside and out.

Also, next year is oooking more promising with the '18 QB class and with Cousins' contract impasse. Having an expendable guy, like Schaub, makes perfect sense if he getting replaced with a high potential player.