Patrick Mahomes QB

Mahomes is my favorite QB in this class. The kid is electrifying to watch! Yeah, he has his knocks just like everyone else at QB in the draft, but this kid could be a star with the right coaching, sheme, and a good position mentor. He's raw, and I think he has the most potential of all the QBs in this class. Tremendous arm strength.. unorthodox throwing motion, sneaky speed, nice ecscapability, tough as nails, and a true field general. Takes risks (Favre-esque), Tends to drop way back on pressure (but maintains nice field vision), also didn't appear to have the best OLine. A combination of his play and the scheme made everyone in that offense look better than I think they really are. I'd be happy if we take him, I'd love to see Shanahan work with him and progress his game.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:
I think the term "WCO QB" is so overused. It's not some esoteric set of qualities. Basically, anybody with good accuracy, a quick release, a good football mind, and decent athleticism can be a good WCO qb. Almost every QB needs to learn a new system in the NFL, and a good thete can learn the footwork.

Nearly every scout or position coach I've talked to, read, or heard speak says something to the tune of, "Scout what he can do, not what he was asked to do." Mahomes' wasnt asked to discipline his footworh at TT, but his footwork looked drastically improved at the combine, and I would expect him to display a lot of drop backs at his pro day. When he was protected, he threw on time, and he looks off safeties and reads progressions. He throws with anticipation and displays an incredible feel for the game. Why can't he thrive in a WCO again?

I'm not saying he can't but he's not gonna be that imo for two yrs....most qbs can throw well when protected. From what I've seen he misses the easy positive play a lot. He's impatient especially from the pocket and improvises when he doesn't have to... He's got the tools no question but you need to have some discipline when playing the WCO and he's just doesn't look like that from his game tape, maybe he's changed in a matter of a couple months and can do all the 3 and 5 step drops and go through all his progressions. That's asking a lot from a guy who didn't have to do a ton of that in college.

I'd love to draft him in say the 3rd because that's what I think he's value is at his pt...from the sounds of it he's gonna it over drafted and we simply need more NFL ready talent at other positions.

If Shanny wants Mahomes, he'll probably have to take him at #34 (if he's still there). I easily could see both Mahomes and Webb off the board by end of RD2.

Originally posted by 49erInTheMidwest:
Mahomes is my favorite QB in this class. The kid is electrifying to watch! Yeah, he has his knocks just like everyone else at QB in the draft, but this kid could be a star with the right coaching, sheme, and a good position mentor. He's raw, and I think he has the most potential of all the QBs in this class. Tremendous arm strength.. unorthodox throwing motion, sneaky speed, nice ecscapability, tough as nails, and a true field general. Takes risks (Favre-esque), Tends to drop way back on pressure (but maintains nice field vision), also didn't appear to have the best OLine. A combination of his play and the scheme made everyone in that offense look better than I think they really are. I'd be happy if we take him, I'd love to see Shanahan work with him and progress his game.

I can see us taking him with our second pick. I say second pick, because it might take a trade up from our 2nd rounder to get him.

Originally posted by crew:

If Shanny wants Mahomes, he'll probably have to take him at #34 (if he's still there). I easily could see both Mahomes and Webb off the board by end of RD2.

And it would be a total reach

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by crew:
If Shanny wants Mahomes, he'll probably have to take him at #34 (if he's still there). I easily could see both Mahomes and Webb off the board by end of RD2.

And it would be a total reach

I agree, I wouldn't select Mahomes anywhere near the 1st or 2nd rounds. And if it comes down to Mahomes and Peterman in the 3rd, I'm going with Peterman. Why, pocket-pro style-QB that fits Shanahan's offense over an Air Raid QB.

An NFL area scout told Yahoo Sports that Texas Tech QB Pat Mahomes "is who we wanted Johnny Manziel to be."

"That's both a good and a bad thing," the scout said. "He's a gamer, but he's a real project." The quote speaks to the heart of Mahomes' evaluation: Those who believe see Manziel-plus across the board on the field without the off-field headache. Those who don't believe Mahomes' improv-heavy game won't translate from his collegiate Air Raid offense to the structure of the NFL. Mahomes has also drawn comps to Brett Favre and Colin Kaepernick.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by crew:
If Shanny wants Mahomes, he'll probably have to take him at #34 (if he's still there). I easily could see both Mahomes and Webb off the board by end of RD2.

And it would be a total reach

I agree, I wouldn't select Mahomes anywhere near the 1st or 2nd rounds. And if it comes down to Mahomes and Peterman in the 3rd, I'm going with Peterman. Why, pocket-pro style-QB that fits Shanahan's offense over an Air Raid QB.

The "Air Raid QB" nonsense is wearing thin. Tedford QB's couldn't succeed in the NFL until Rodgers did. It's not the scheme; it's the player. QBs learn new schemes all the time. It's not hard; it just takes time. Peterman isn't ready to be an NFL QB yet, either. He still needs to tighten down footwork and challenge coverage at or beyond the sticks to be ready to succeed. No QB in this draft (and very few college QBs ever) is ready to start for an NFL team today, so why not take the guy with the best arm, most savvy, most unnerving calm, who happens to be the most natural, elite thrower we've seen in years? We already have the bridge QB, and it's a dude who went 7-4 in CLEVELAND. No rush to get a rookie ready, so take the risk to develop a start, instead of taking the safe choice to get a guy who could win some games, but who will likely never dominate.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by crew:

If Shanny wants Mahomes, he'll probably have to take him at #34 (if he's still there). I easily could see both Mahomes and Webb off the board by end of RD2.

And it would be a total reach

I agree, I wouldn't select Mahomes anywhere near the 1st or 2nd rounds. And if it comes down to Mahomes and Peterman in the 3rd, I'm going with Peterman. Why, pocket-pro style-QB that fits Shanahan's offense over an Air Raid QB.

So....question. Why would Kyle Shannon picking a quarterback he likes a lot, and doesn't see him lasting until their next pick, be a reach again?

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by crew:
If Shanny wants Mahomes, he'll probably have to take him at #34 (if he's still there). I easily could see both Mahomes and Webb off the board by end of RD2.

And it would be a total reach

I agree, I wouldn't select Mahomes anywhere near the 1st or 2nd rounds. And if it comes down to Mahomes and Peterman in the 3rd, I'm going with Peterman. Why, pocket-pro style-QB that fits Shanahan's offense over an Air Raid QB.

The "Air Raid QB" nonsense is wearing thin. Tedford QB's couldn't succeed in the NFL until Rodgers did. It's not the scheme; it's the player. QBs learn new schemes all the time. It's not hard; it just takes time. Peterman isn't ready to be an NFL QB yet, either. He still needs to tighten down footwork and challenge coverage at or beyond the sticks to be ready to succeed. No QB in this draft (and very few college QBs ever) is ready to start for an NFL team today, so why not take the guy with the best arm, most savvy, most unnerving calm, who happens to be the most natural, elite thrower we've seen in years? We already have the bridge QB, and it's a dude who went 7-4 in CLEVELAND. No rush to get a rookie ready, so take the risk to develop a start, instead of taking the safe choice to get a guy who could win some games, but who will likely never dominate.

Rodgers sat for 3 years before playing....it might take just as long for Mahomes to adapt.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by crew:
If Shanny wants Mahomes, he'll probably have to take him at #34 (if he's still there). I easily could see both Mahomes and Webb off the board by end of RD2.

And it would be a total reach

I agree, I wouldn't select Mahomes anywhere near the 1st or 2nd rounds. And if it comes down to Mahomes and Peterman in the 3rd, I'm going with Peterman. Why, pocket-pro style-QB that fits Shanahan's offense over an Air Raid QB.

The "Air Raid QB" nonsense is wearing thin. Tedford QB's couldn't succeed in the NFL until Rodgers did. It's not the scheme; it's the player. QBs learn new schemes all the time. It's not hard; it just takes time. Peterman isn't ready to be an NFL QB yet, either. He still needs to tighten down footwork and challenge coverage at or beyond the sticks to be ready to succeed. No QB in this draft (and very few college QBs ever) is ready to start for an NFL team today, so why not take the guy with the best arm, most savvy, most unnerving calm, who happens to be the most natural, elite thrower we've seen in years? We already have the bridge QB, and it's a dude who went 7-4 in CLEVELAND. No rush to get a rookie ready, so take the risk to develop a start, instead of taking the safe choice to get a guy who could win some games, but who will likely never dominate.

Rodgers sat for 3 years before playing....it might take just as long for Mahomes to adapt.

Would you wait through 2-3 years of Hoyer to get ten years of Rodgers on the other side of it? I would. I think Mahomes has the same pluses and minuses as Favre, but he's likely to be more efficient and dependable, because he's reportedly got a great work ethic in the film/meeting room. Favre wrecked us as bad as he did with arm talent, confidence, and savvy (he famously would sleep in film sessions and plagiarize his weekly QB quiz). Mahomes has all of that, imo, and he'd add knowledge and preparation to the mix.

I think it's either going to be Mahomes or Peterman at #34. Give him 2 years behind Hoyer and have him ready to go in '19.

Originally posted by mayo49:
I think it's either going to be Mahomes or Peterman at #34. Give him 2 years behind Hoyer and have him ready to go in '19.

I have a horrible suspicion Arians will take him at 13. Everyone knows Palmer is on his last ride. They have nothing to replace him with. I think Arians will see Mahomes and think Roethlesberger, without the rapeyness. I hope not, b/c I'd be happy AF to get him at 32 (or late 20s w/a trade up for the 5th year option)

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

The "Air Raid QB" nonsense is wearing thin. Tedford QB's couldn't succeed in the NFL until Rodgers did. It's not the scheme; it's the player. QBs learn new schemes all the time. It's not hard; it just takes time. Peterman isn't ready to be an NFL QB yet, either. He still needs to tighten down footwork and challenge coverage at or beyond the sticks to be ready to succeed. No QB in this draft (and very few college QBs ever) is ready to start for an NFL team today, so why not take the guy with the best arm, most savvy, most unnerving calm, who happens to be the most natural, elite thrower we've seen in years? We already have the bridge QB, and it's a dude who went 7-4 in CLEVELAND. No rush to get a rookie ready, so take the risk to develop a start, instead of taking the safe choice to get a guy who could win some games, but who will likely never dominate.

You are correct sir, if a QB is destined to be great then he'll be great.


Compare these two. Jameis blows his white board session out of the water and knows what the hell hes talkin about. Mariota couldn't even repeat a simple play so they cut it out of the video. And now mariota is still well on his way to being a real good qb.

https://twitter.com/OptimumScouting/status/843813681238626305

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by crew:
If Shanny wants Mahomes, he'll probably have to take him at #34 (if he's still there). I easily could see both Mahomes and Webb off the board by end of RD2.

And it would be a total reach

I agree, I wouldn't select Mahomes anywhere near the 1st or 2nd rounds. And if it comes down to Mahomes and Peterman in the 3rd, I'm going with Peterman. Why, pocket-pro style-QB that fits Shanahan's offense over an Air Raid QB.

The "Air Raid QB" nonsense is wearing thin. Tedford QB's couldn't succeed in the NFL until Rodgers did. It's not the scheme; it's the player. QBs learn new schemes all the time. It's not hard; it just takes time. Peterman isn't ready to be an NFL QB yet, either. He still needs to tighten down footwork and challenge coverage at or beyond the sticks to be ready to succeed. No QB in this draft (and very few college QBs ever) is ready to start for an NFL team today, so why not take the guy with the best arm, most savvy, most unnerving calm, who happens to be the most natural, elite thrower we've seen in years? We already have the bridge QB, and it's a dude who went 7-4 in CLEVELAND. No rush to get a rookie ready, so take the risk to develop a start, instead of taking the safe choice to get a guy who could win some games, but who will likely never dominate.

One thing Tedford QB's didn't need to learn that most Air Raid QB's need to, and that's taking snaps from under center or footwork. But all in all, I just rather stay away from QB's who run the read option, like to run when they should be in the pocket. I could be wrong, but judging by the QB's Shanahan brought in, in Hoyer and Barkley, I think he prefers a pocket QB too.