Patrick Mahomes QB

Ther isn't one type of spread or one type of air raid. Every one is different. Most spread or air raid offenses involve a pre determined play. The qb hikes the ball and throws it to his man. Really really simple stuff.

Then there are complex spreads like with Peyton Manning, he does operate from shotgun or pistol pretty much every time. But he actually runs a huddle, calls audibles, and goes through full progressions.

Jameis was definitely pro style in the sense that he took over and ran huddles. While mariota had much simpler plays, never ran a huddle. It's the reason everyone was worried about it when draft time came around.

Originally posted by Jcool:

#Saints were at Texas Tech today for private workout with QB Pat Mahomes II and other Red Raiders @SCAWLZ according to a source

— Kristian Garic (@KristianGaric) March 21, 2017

.

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:
Ther isn't one type of spread or one type of air raid. Every one is different. Most spread or air raid offenses involve a pre determined play. The qb hikes the ball and throws it to his man. Really really simple stuff.

Then there are complex spreads like with Peyton Manning, he does operate from shotgun or pistol pretty much every time. But he actually runs a huddle, calls audibles, and goes through full progressions.

Jameis was definitely pro style in the sense that he took over and ran huddles. While mariota had much simpler plays, never ran a huddle. It's the reason everyone was worried about it when draft time came around.

Meanwhile, Mahomes doesn't huddle, but calls audibles and reads both sides of the field (or at least intentionally looks of safeties, can't know exactly what he's looking at, but his helmet definitely moves from one side of the field to the other in his "drop")

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:

Ther isn't one type of spread or one type of air raid. Every one is different. Most spread or air raid offenses involve a pre determined play. The qb hikes the ball and throws it to his man. Really really simple stuff.

Then there are complex spreads like with Peyton Manning, he does operate from shotgun or pistol pretty much every time. But he actually runs a huddle, calls audibles, and goes through full progressions.

Jameis was definitely pro style in the sense that he took over and ran huddles. While mariota had much simpler plays, never ran a huddle. It's the reason everyone was worried about it when draft time came around.

Meanwhile, Mahomes doesn't huddle, but calls audibles and reads both sides of the field (or at least intentionally looks of safeties, can't know exactly what he's looking at, but his helmet definitely moves from one side of the field to the other in his "drop")

He for sure goes through progressions and does his homework. I saw him on tv with gruden and he talked about a specific play and why he went with the deep ball when he had the checkdown wide open. Said he liked the matchup he had there.

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:
Ther isn't one type of spread or one type of air raid. Every one is different. Most spread or air raid offenses involve a pre determined play. The qb hikes the ball and throws it to his man. Really really simple stuff.

Then there are complex spreads like with Peyton Manning, he does operate from shotgun or pistol pretty much every time. But he actually runs a huddle, calls audibles, and goes through full progressions.

Jameis was definitely pro style in the sense that he took over and ran huddles. While mariota had much simpler plays, never ran a huddle. It's the reason everyone was worried about it when draft time came around.

Meanwhile, Mahomes doesn't huddle, but calls audibles and reads both sides of the field (or at least intentionally looks of safeties, can't know exactly what he's looking at, but his helmet definitely moves from one side of the field to the other in his "drop")

He for sure goes through progressions and does his homework. I saw him on tv with gruden and he talked about a specific play and why he went with the deep ball when he had the checkdown wide open. Said he liked the matchup he had there.

...and he deliberately displaced the safety w/his eyes, saying he wasn't gonna throw it if the safety didn't move. Good stuff. The throw was pretty damn good, too.

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:

Ther isn't one type of spread or one type of air raid. Every one is different. Most spread or air raid offenses involve a pre determined play. The qb hikes the ball and throws it to his man. Really really simple stuff.

Then there are complex spreads like with Peyton Manning, he does operate from shotgun or pistol pretty much every time. But he actually runs a huddle, calls audibles, and goes through full progressions.

Jameis was definitely pro style in the sense that he took over and ran huddles. While mariota had much simpler plays, never ran a huddle. It's the reason everyone was worried about it when draft time came around.

Meanwhile, Mahomes doesn't huddle, but calls audibles and reads both sides of the field (or at least intentionally looks of safeties, can't know exactly what he's looking at, but his helmet definitely moves from one side of the field to the other in his "drop")

He for sure goes through progressions and does his homework. I saw him on tv with gruden and he talked about a specific play and why he went with the deep ball when he had the checkdown wide open. Said he liked the matchup he had there.

...and he deliberately displaced the safety w/his eyes, saying he wasn't gonna throw it if the safety didn't move. Good stuff. The throw was pretty damn good, too.

Yup. People throw out a bunch of different comparisons about him. A lot of his game is Derek Carr to me. I went back and read different scouts views on Carr to see if I was trippin, and coincidentally they have awfully similar strengths and weakness in their breakdowns.

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:
Ther isn't one type of spread or one type of air raid. Every one is different. Most spread or air raid offenses involve a pre determined play. The qb hikes the ball and throws it to his man. Really really simple stuff.

Then there are complex spreads like with Peyton Manning, he does operate from shotgun or pistol pretty much every time. But he actually runs a huddle, calls audibles, and goes through full progressions.

Jameis was definitely pro style in the sense that he took over and ran huddles. While mariota had much simpler plays, never ran a huddle. It's the reason everyone was worried about it when draft time came around.

Meanwhile, Mahomes doesn't huddle, but calls audibles and reads both sides of the field (or at least intentionally looks of safeties, can't know exactly what he's looking at, but his helmet definitely moves from one side of the field to the other in his "drop")

He for sure goes through progressions and does his homework. I saw him on tv with gruden and he talked about a specific play and why he went with the deep ball when he had the checkdown wide open. Said he liked the matchup he had there.

...and he deliberately displaced the safety w/his eyes, saying he wasn't gonna throw it if the safety didn't move. Good stuff. The throw was pretty damn good, too.

Yup. People throw out a bunch of different comparisons about him. A lot of his game is Derek Carr to me. I went back and read different scouts views on Carr to see if I was trippin, and coincidentally they have awfully similar strengths and weakness in their breakdowns.

I can see it. Carr seems more disciplined and less gifted, but there are some clear similarities in how they played in college. I still have trouble shaking the Brett Favre comparison, but I think Mahomes would work harder to improve than Favre did as a young QB.

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:
Ther isn't one type of spread or one type of air raid. Every one is different. Most spread or air raid offenses involve a pre determined play. The qb hikes the ball and throws it to his man. Really really simple stuff.

Then there are complex spreads like with Peyton Manning, he does operate from shotgun or pistol pretty much every time. But he actually runs a huddle, calls audibles, and goes through full progressions.

Jameis was definitely pro style in the sense that he took over and ran huddles. While mariota had much simpler plays, never ran a huddle. It's the reason everyone was worried about it when draft time came around.

Meanwhile, Mahomes doesn't huddle, but calls audibles and reads both sides of the field (or at least intentionally looks of safeties, can't know exactly what he's looking at, but his helmet definitely moves from one side of the field to the other in his "drop")

He for sure goes through progressions and does his homework. I saw him on tv with gruden and he talked about a specific play and why he went with the deep ball when he had the checkdown wide open. Said he liked the matchup he had there.

...and he deliberately displaced the safety w/his eyes, saying he wasn't gonna throw it if the safety didn't move. Good stuff. The throw was pretty damn good, too.

Yup. People throw out a bunch of different comparisons about him. A lot of his game is Derek Carr to me. I went back and read different scouts views on Carr to see if I was trippin, and coincidentally they have awfully similar strengths and weakness in their breakdowns.

I can see it. Carr seems more disciplined and less gifted, but there are some clear similarities in how they played in college. I still have trouble shaking the Brett Favre comparison, but I think Mahomes would work harder to improve than Favre did as a young QB.

Carr was my favorite QB in his draft, glad he's shining now - he's a good dude from everything I see about him, lots of positive stuff.
Mahomes is my favorite in this class.. I hope he does the same as Carr

Originally posted by 49erInTheMidwest:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:
Ther isn't one type of spread or one type of air raid. Every one is different. Most spread or air raid offenses involve a pre determined play. The qb hikes the ball and throws it to his man. Really really simple stuff.

Then there are complex spreads like with Peyton Manning, he does operate from shotgun or pistol pretty much every time. But he actually runs a huddle, calls audibles, and goes through full progressions.

Jameis was definitely pro style in the sense that he took over and ran huddles. While mariota had much simpler plays, never ran a huddle. It's the reason everyone was worried about it when draft time came around.

Meanwhile, Mahomes doesn't huddle, but calls audibles and reads both sides of the field (or at least intentionally looks of safeties, can't know exactly what he's looking at, but his helmet definitely moves from one side of the field to the other in his "drop")

He for sure goes through progressions and does his homework. I saw him on tv with gruden and he talked about a specific play and why he went with the deep ball when he had the checkdown wide open. Said he liked the matchup he had there.

...and he deliberately displaced the safety w/his eyes, saying he wasn't gonna throw it if the safety didn't move. Good stuff. The throw was pretty damn good, too.

Yup. People throw out a bunch of different comparisons about him. A lot of his game is Derek Carr to me. I went back and read different scouts views on Carr to see if I was trippin, and coincidentally they have awfully similar strengths and weakness in their breakdowns.

I can see it. Carr seems more disciplined and less gifted, but there are some clear similarities in how they played in college. I still have trouble shaking the Brett Favre comparison, but I think Mahomes would work harder to improve than Favre did as a young QB.

Carr was my favorite QB in his draft, glad he's shining now - he's a good dude from everything I see about him, lots of positive stuff.
Mahomes is my favorite in this class.. I hope he does the same as Carr

For us, though, of course.

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
I'm not sure why you're disputing me saying college spread QB's can't transition to the NFL. You totally missed on my argument, no where did I say that, matter of fact I even stated some of the college spread QB's who have transitioned well in the QB thread in ninertalk. That's not my argument at all.

Hmm Jon Gruden and Russell Wilson himself says he was in a west coast offense, don't know who the heck that guy is in your link:



But of course you'll try to dispute what they say because it's hard admitting you're wrong.

It's WCO in the same way that Harbaugh's offense was WCO and NE's offense in the SB was E-P. It's the terminology and play-calling system. Every passing offense in the NFL and College (and most in HS) has WCO concepts, but any ofense that uses the WCO playcalling system is WCO. Harbaugh ran a gap/power, PA passing offense w/plays called using WCO nomenclature. It wasn't pure WCO, from a philosophical or play selection standpoint, but they called the plays by using WCO names. NE won the SB using a load of spread passing plays, which they called using the terminology of the E-P system. It doesn't make them E-P plays. Dana Bible, the OC for NC State when Wilson was there, was a long-time WCO disciple, who adapted the offense to take advantage of the easy reads, open WRs, pre-snap certainty, and available YAC yards available to spread offenses. They called the plays using WCO terminology, but those were certainly spread plays. Maybe Wilson had an advantage calling plays in the huddle, based on the use of WCO terms, but that didn't make him any more developed as a passer than Luke Falk or Jared Goff.

So umm they were running a Spread offense with WCO verbiage, got it.....So how was Russell Wilson not in a WCO again?

Yah moving on to a different thread, this one has ran it's course. lol

Originally posted by Kolohe:

So umm they were running a Spread offense with WCO verbiage, got it.....So how was Russell Wilson not in a WCO again?

Yah moving on to a different thread, this one has ran it's course. lol

Dude, watch the plays and do some homework. I can't tell of you're intentionally being obtuse. When you watch Harbaugh's offense and Shanahan's offense, do you see the same thing? Of course not, because only Shanahan's is actually the WCO. Harbaugh's is a run-first, gap/power scheme, with more vertical PA passing concepts, but he calls it a WCO, because he uses WCO terminology in his play calls and his play book. Now, watch NC State from 2007-2012, and compare it to Shanny (old or young), McCarthy, Holmgren, etc. It's not even close to the same. WCO terms, spread concepts.

Gruden and Wilson didn't discuss WCO concepts, they discussed the WCO names for different formations and motions. Terminology, not concept.

Mahomes with Seth Payton

Originally posted by SunDevilNiner79:
Mahomes with Seth Payton

We need folks saying that about Mahomes with Kyle Shanahan

Did any 49er go to his pro day?