Patrick Mahomes QB

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
not luck, Winston, Matt Ryan, Flacco etc...I'm not saying you can't draft a QB from a gimmicky offense BUT at two you'd better be ready to sit him for a yr to learn. Most teams don't do that.

I said QBs from this draft

ahhh my bad...right and that's one reason why this class is sub par and I'd love to pass on the top guys this yr

Originally posted by NYniner85:

They both avg 8.5 ypa their last season? Both had great TD to INT ratios and both were very accurate (Lynch had a higher comp %) BOTH need to learn a pro offense both didn't take snaps under center both didn't have much as far as progressions go.

I think Mahomes is a much better pure thrower, but there are a ton of great arm QBs that fail because they can't understand the system...it took Matt Ryan a yr to learn Kyle's offense. Mahomes is gonna get over-drafted based off hype and the incredible ceiling. I'll I'm saying is his floor is very s**tty. I'd rather go with a safer player with our high picks and build the team elsewhere. THEN go all in on a QB next yr.

Stats don't tell the full story and you know that... all you gotta do is watch those two videos if you got 15 min to kill. And watch how they throw the ball.

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
They both avg 8.5 ypa their last season? Both had great TD to INT ratios and both were very accurate (Lynch had a higher comp %) BOTH need to learn a pro offense both didn't take snaps under center both didn't have much as far as progressions go.

I think Mahomes is a much better pure thrower, but there are a ton of great arm QBs that fail because they can't understand the system...it took Matt Ryan a yr to learn Kyle's offense. Mahomes is gonna get over-drafted based off hype and the incredible ceiling. I'll I'm saying is his floor is very s**tty. I'd rather go with a safer player with our high picks and build the team elsewhere. THEN go all in on a QB next yr.

Stats don't tell the full story and you know that... all you gotta do is watch those two videos if you got 15 min to kill. And watch how they throw the ball.

I've watch both I know their throwing motions aren't the same...there are similarities beyond the way they throw the ball.

I've seen him compared to Jay Cutler a ton as well

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
fast up tempo offenses that throw a lot of screens/rollouts. Both don't require the QB to go through a ton of progressions and try to keep things simple. They don't take snaps under center a lot of empty back fields/spreading the field.

You know you just described just about every QBs college offense in this draft?

not luck, Winston, Matt Ryan, Flacco etc...I'm not saying you can't draft a QB from a gimmicky offense BUT at two you'd better be ready to sit him for a yr to learn. Most teams don't do that.

Most teams aren't run by guys on 6 year, no-offset contracts. If they think someone in this draft could be great, they'll have carte blanche to develop him to their plan. If they want to address QB in 2018, they have the time and freedom to do that, as well. The prevailing issue with that plan is that they could win enough games this year to lose their shot at the top QBs next year. If Darnold tightens his release and continues to develop, Allen refines his game, an Rudolph develops his short game to match his impressive downfield accuracy, the top 3 QBs could go w/in the first 5-10 picks (Allen and Darnold could easily go 1-2). The 49ers already got the bridge QB, who's pretty aware that he'd be expected to help bring a young QB along and help the QB room learn the offense. Kyle/Lynch can do whatever they want, as long as it wins in a FEW years.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
They both avg 8.5 ypa their last season? Both had great TD to INT ratios and both were very accurate (Lynch had a higher comp %) BOTH need to learn a pro offense both didn't take snaps under center both didn't have much as far as progressions go.

I think Mahomes is a much better pure thrower, but there are a ton of great arm QBs that fail because they can't understand the system...it took Matt Ryan a yr to learn Kyle's offense. Mahomes is gonna get over-drafted based off hype and the incredible ceiling. I'll I'm saying is his floor is very s**tty. I'd rather go with a safer player with our high picks and build the team elsewhere. THEN go all in on a QB next yr.

Stats don't tell the full story and you know that... all you gotta do is watch those two videos if you got 15 min to kill. And watch how they throw the ball.

I've watch both I know their throwing motions aren't the same...there are similarities beyond the way they throw the ball.

I've seen him compared to Jay Cutler a ton as well

and Favre, and Rodgers, and Roethlisberger...

I think it's fair to say Mahomes is a QB Shanahan would have to rein in some...but I think he'd be willing to take that on, because Patrick has the arm, mobility and fearlessness Coach wants in his QB. He's assembled a body of work at TT that's credible...he was coached by Kliff Kingsbury, a pretty darn good QB when he played at Tech and now a HC who's guided the college careers of both Mahomes & Webb. I just think Patrick would get Coach's creative juices flowing like no other QB's in this draft. I could be wrong...but I don't think so. We'll see soon enough.

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

and Favre, and Rodgers, and Roethlisberger...

And Russell Wilson and Derek Carr. But that's not important . Only the Jay Cutler and Bortles comp is.

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

and Favre, and Rodgers, and Roethlisberger...

Whatever makes ya feel better

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

and Favre, and Rodgers, and Roethlisberger...

And Russell Wilson and Derek Carr. But that's not important . Only the Jay Cutler and Bortles comp is.

I mean I've seen Mitch being called Carr/stafford I've seen kizer being called Romo/McNair doesn't mean that's who they are or will be...sorry if I look at floors just as much as ceilings when looking at players especially when people are throwing out giving up a 1st rd pick

Originally posted by NYniner85:

I mean I've seen Mitch being called Carr/stafford I've seen kizer being called Romo/McNair doesn't mean that's who they are or will be...sorry if I look at floors just as much as ceilings when looking at players especially when people are throwing out giving up a 1st rd pick

But... you always throw out all the great comps Peterman gets and ignore all the mediocre ones he gets. Isn't that being kinda biased?

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Whatever makes ya feel better

At some point, your 150 posts in this thread (the most of anyone) seems to be about making you feel better ....

Anyways, that's going off topic. My whole point was that Matt Miller is out his damn mind with those comps. I can see the Cutler comp if Mahomes doesn't clean up his throwing. But absolutely he does not comp with Paxton Lynch. It's a terrible one.

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Most teams aren't run by guys on 6 year, no-offset contracts. If they think someone in this draft could be great, they'll have carte blanche to develop him to their plan. If they want to address QB in 2018, they have the time and freedom to do that, as well. The prevailing issue with that plan is that they could win enough games this year to lose their shot at the top QBs next year. If Darnold tightens his release and continues to develop, Allen refines his game, an Rudolph develops his short game to match his impressive downfield accuracy, the top 3 QBs could go w/in the first 5-10 picks (Allen and Darnold could easily go 1-2). The 49ers already got the bridge QB, who's pretty aware that he'd be expected to help bring a young QB along and help the QB room learn the offense. Kyle/Lynch can do whatever they want, as long as it wins in a FEW years.

And the teams that might be drafting top 10 (which I most certainly think we will be one) might not need a qb and want picks...I'd be more inclined to move all in for one of the guys you mentioned. I'll add Faulk/Rosen to the mix and who knows who the next Mitch will be next yr? PLUS Kirk/JG might be options on top of that.

I see more options at qb next yr and I see a draft class this yr that has great prospects on defense and RBs...we need help everywhere not just qb. I want starters and imo I'd rather not reach on a sub par qb that needs to sit the bench for yrs.

Finally yup we have a team run by guys that has time no there isn't a rush to over draft a qb...I'd rather get it right then go through the whole process again in 3 yrs.

Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:
I think it's fair to say Mahomes is a QB Shanahan would have to rein in some...but I think he'd be willing to take that on, because Patrick has the arm, mobility and fearlessness Coach wants in his QB. He's assembled a body of work at TT that's credible...he was coached by Kliff Kingsbury, a pretty darn good QB when he played at Tech and now a HC who's guided the college careers of both Mahomes & Webb. I just think Patrick would get Coach's creative juices flowing like no other QB's in this draft. I could be wrong...but I don't think so. We'll see soon enough.

As a squad leader, I was of the belief that it's better to have an Alpha team leader that you have to hold back every once in awhile than it is to have to have a guy you basically have to push or throw through every damn door. The aggressive guy can learn patience, but it's harder for the cautious guy to develop a killer instinct, imo.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:
Most teams aren't run by guys on 6 year, no-offset contracts. If they think someone in this draft could be great, they'll have carte blanche to develop him to their plan. If they want to address QB in 2018, they have the time and freedom to do that, as well. The prevailing issue with that plan is that they could win enough games this year to lose their shot at the top QBs next year. If Darnold tightens his release and continues to develop, Allen refines his game, an Rudolph develops his short game to match his impressive downfield accuracy, the top 3 QBs could go w/in the first 5-10 picks (Allen and Darnold could easily go 1-2). The 49ers already got the bridge QB, who's pretty aware that he'd be expected to help bring a young QB along and help the QB room learn the offense. Kyle/Lynch can do whatever they want, as long as it wins in a FEW years.

And the teams that might be drafting top 10 (which I most certainly think we will be one) might not need a qb and want picks...I'd be more inclined to move all in for one of the guys you mentioned. I'll add Faulk/Rosen to the mix and who knows who the next Mitch will be next yr? PLUS Kirk/JG might be options on top of that.

I see more options at qb next yr and I see a draft class this yr that has great prospects on defense and RBs...we need help everywhere not just qb. I want starters and imo I'd rather not reach on a sub par qb that needs to sit the bench for yrs.

Finally yup we have a team run by guys that has time no there isn't a rush to over draft a qb...I'd rather get it right then go through the whole process again in 3 yrs.

You'd give up extra picks for Allen, who is basically a taller, even more wild, version of Mahomes, when you could get Mahomes w/o giving up the extra picks in this draft? Are you emphasizing height, or do you truly dislike Mahomes that much? That's weird reasoning, imo. There will be plenty of warts on the 2018 QBs. Darnold has that big wind up that doesn't hurt him at USC, Allen has many of the same flaws as Mahomes, Rosen could have another down year, Rudolph couldn't hit a 5 yard out, Falk could be one concussion away from retirement, Browning couldn't get the ball 40 yards downfiled w/o 30 ft of air under it and a sun dial to time it, etc... They'll get chewed up and look less appealing, though I still think the evaluation on Darnold and Allen could be pretty flattering in the end.