Patrick Mahomes QB

Originally posted by NYniner85:
What do you think chip's offense is based off?? Getting YAC. You're nitpicking everything single thing lol all he can do is put the ball where it needs to go...and you've seen plenty of down field throws from this kid already.

He needs a yr on the bench, but has gotten better as a passer every yr.

Well the QB does play a big role in YAC, you have to throw an accurate pass that lets the receiver continue in stride, if you constantly throw it behind them or force them to break off their routes, it does more to limit YAC than what even the best defense could manage.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

What do you think chip's offense is based off?? Getting YAC. You're nitpicking everything single thing lol all he can do is put the ball where it needs to go...and you've seen plenty of down field throws from this kid already.

He needs a yr on the bench, but has gotten better as a passer every yr.

Well the QB does play a big role in YAC, you have to throw an accurate pass that lets the receiver continue in stride, if you constantly throw it behind them or force them to break off their routes, it does more to limit YAC than what even the best defense could manage.

Exsactly I mean we are seeing it happen in SF we can't consistently hit our WR/TE in stride to get YAC.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Jcool:
Keep in mind a lot of those are YAC. The last TD was 62 yards and 40 of them were after the catch & on the 80 yard TD, 55 were YAC. But it is a nice bounce back game from last week.

What do you think chip's offense is based off?? Getting YAC. You're nitpicking everything single thing lol all he can do is put the ball where it needs to go...and you've seen plenty of down field throws from this kid already.

He needs a yr on the bench, but has gotten better as a passer every yr.

And i hope the 49ers are doing that same thing. This is the most important pick in the draft that could either make or break the Kelly era. Those two TD's i "nitpicked" would not be open in the NFL. That offense is designed to put up huge numbers, if it wasn't Mahomes would be the first QB taken. Instead he is looked at as a 2nd-3rd round pick at best. Maybe if you weren't so gung ho on every QB in this draft you would notice that.

Originally posted by Jcool:

And i hope the 49ers are doing that same thing. This is the most important pick in the draft that could either make or break the Kelly era. Those two TD's i "nitpicked" would not be open in the NFL. That offense is designed to put up huge numbers, if it wasn't Mahomes would be the first QB taken. Instead he is looked at as a 2nd-3rd round pick at best. Maybe if you weren't so gung ho on every QB in this draft you would notice that.

I'm not gun ho on every prospect, I already stated he's a 3rd rd pick in my eyes. I like Mitch and Watson as early 1st rd picks, kizer as a lower 1st, and falk most likely stays. What wrong with focusing on the most important position in sports? Especially when SF hasn't done s**t at the position in 5 yrs?

You complain about Mitch not putting up huge numbers then mahomes and Watson do and you complain about that, blaming it all on the scheme lol.

No qb coming out in the past decade outside of luck didn't have some issue coming into the draft. Guess what this team is going f**king nowhere without a qb...time to actually put some stock into the position, waiting for the perfect prospect to come out is a recipe for losing.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I'm not gun ho on every prospect, I already stated he's a 3rd rd pick in my eyes. I like Mitch and Watson as early 1st rd picks, kizer as a lower 1st, and falk most likely stays. What wrong with focusing on the most important position in sports? Especially when SF hasn't done s**t at the position in 5 yrs?

You complain about Mitch not putting up huge numbers then mahomes and Watson do and you complain about that, blaming it all on the scheme lol.

No qb coming out in the past decade outside of luck didn't have some issue coming into the draft. Guess what this team is going f**king nowhere without a qb...time to actually put some stock into the position, waiting for the perfect prospect to come out is a recipe for losing.

You seem pretty gung ho to me. Every time i bring up a flaw you freak out like i am saying they are undraftable.

No i complained about Mitch that the last two games he has struggled & the way he was being talked about yesterday was like he had just had a monster game when it was just okay. The problem this year is you have QBs that are either air raid guys (Davis Webb, Pat Mahomes & Luke Falk), having inconsistent years (DeShone Kizer & Deshaun Watson) or could be one year wonders (Mitch Trubisky). So they all have huge risks.

There have been other great QB prospects sine Luck. 2015 saw Winston & Mariota go 1 & 2.

It's ok to be gung ho about a player...but you have to understand there are a lot of good college QB's who'll never see the NFL. I've watched Mahomes for the past couple of seasons, and I agree, he's quite a playmaker. I'm just not sure how his game would play in the pros. After hearing Eddie D say Jed will get things back on track I have to wonder what changes he'll make to insure that happens. I think a new GM is needed...because Baalke's had major struggles drafting offensive skill players. Would Jed make a clean sweep and fire Kelly too? Hard to say. I'd like to see Coach get a much-improved roster to coach before he'd leave...what he has now is a far cry from what he needs. Anyway, all of that uncertainty make it hard to know what kind of QB the GM drafts. If Kap stays around for another season, whomever gets drafted would have at least a season to develop. I like Trubisky...he's mature, mobile, has the arm and seems to have a good deal of that "it" factor. I just don't see a Winston or Mariota in this draft....so I don't see the Niners taking a QB in the 1st rd and maybe not the 2nd. I really have no idea what QB they might draft...Mahomes could be an option, he might not be. We'll just have to wait & see.

Originally posted by Jcool:

You seem pretty gung ho to me. Every time i bring up a flaw you freak out like i am saying they are undraftable.

No i complained about Mitch that the last two games he has struggled & the way he was being talked about yesterday was like he had just had a monster game when it was just okay. The problem this year is you have QBs that are either air raid guys (Davis Webb, Pat Mahomes & Luke Falk), having inconsistent years (DeShone Kizer & Deshaun Watson) or could be one year wonders (Mitch Trubisky). So they all have huge risks.

There have been other great QB prospects sine Luck. 2015 saw Winston & Mariota go 1 & 2.

Freak out lol what? Every time I say something positive you nah say it or blow it off as if there's no possible way they could be a good qb prospect.

Manhones is a unfinished player (which I stated) with real upside, but is a 3rd round prospect much like how Dak was.

So you need to see a player play 4 yrs before you can say he's a good prospect? I don't, I can see the way Mitch reads the field makes the right read and throws the ball with consisitant accuracy that he has a good chance at being a solid starting qb in the league...doesn't hurt that we currently run a offense he's familiar with.

Just because he doesn't throw for 400 yards when they were blowing out citadel early doesn't mean anything (he only had to throw the ball 20 times) like I said you don't talk about context of the games...same with yesterday. His defense let up early points, his skilled player dropped 9 balls, and constant penalties negated positive passing plays. Yet he still had them within one score.

Mariota was not a no brainer qb prospect...he had a poor rookie season and his issue was could he play outside of a spread offense...weird. Guess what a full off season and coaching and he's looking pretty good to me! Why can't Mitch do that, IMO they have very similar qb skills.

Every single player being drafted has some sort of bust factor and at some point you have to get your qb and develop them because we haven't been doing that for 5 yrs and we have s**t because of it.

Waiting around for a no brainer qb to fall in our laps is the dumbest thing this team could do, it's a recipe for losing and that s**t isn't gonna fly anymore.

Originally posted by CorvaNinerFan:

It's ok to be gung ho about a player...but you have to understand there are a lot of good college QB's who'll never see the NFL. I've watched Mahomes for the past couple of seasons, and I agree, he's quite a playmaker. I'm just not sure how his game would play in the pros. After hearing Eddie D say Jed will get things back on track I have to wonder what changes he'll make to insure that happens. I think a new GM is needed...because Baalke's had major struggles drafting offensive skill players. Would Jed make a clean sweep and fire Kelly too? Hard to say. I'd like to see Coach get a much-improved roster to coach before he'd leave...what he has now is a far cry from what he needs. Anyway, all of that uncertainty make it hard to know what kind of QB the GM drafts. If Kap stays around for another season, whomever gets drafted would have at least a season to develop. I like Trubisky...he's mature, mobile, has the arm and seems to have a good deal of that "it" factor. I just don't see a Winston or Mariota in this draft....so I don't see the Niners taking a QB in the 1st rd and maybe not the 2nd. I really have no idea what QB they might draft...Mahomes could be an option, he might not be. We'll just have to wait & see.

It's not that I'm drooling over manhones at all, I've stated he's a 3rd rd project that has some real upside.

I'd much rather draft Mitch if we can't get Myles. I see a lot of the same qualities that mariota has with him. Outside of starts not sure what the big difference is between the two? Marcus had the same question marks, like can he play in a system outside of a spread offense...sure enough after a yr of development he can. Both are athletic, accurate, like you said cool and calm in the pocket, strong arms etc...

Originally posted by NYniner85:
It's not that I'm drooling over manhones at all, I've stated he's a 3rd rd project that has some real upside.

I'd much rather draft Mitch if we can't get Myles. I see a lot of the same qualities that mariota has with him. Outside of starts not sure what the big difference is between the two? Marcus had the same question marks, like can he play in a system outside of a spread offense...sure enough after a yr of development he can. Both are athletic, accurate, like you said cool and calm in the pocket, strong arms etc...

Mitch is nowhere near the athlete Mariota is. Mariota is a better athlete than Kaepernick. Mitch will probably run around what Wentz did in the 40.

Matt Miller compared him to a smaller Carson Wentz earlier this year which I think makes sense. He has a good, but not elite arm and pretty good mobility. He doesn't have Mariota's fumbling issues as far as I know and may be a little more accurate from the pocket, but doesn't have his upside either in my opinion. I think Kizer offers the highest ceiling of the 1st round QB prospects followed by Watson and then Trubisky. Trubisky is the safest and most-NFL ready of the three though. Mahomes and Webb are two interesting projects with really strong arms.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2667967-matt-millers-week-5-nfl-scouting-notebook-a-new-qb-rising-up-qb-draft-boards

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:

Mitch is nowhere near the athlete Mariota is. Mariota is a better athlete than Kaepernick. Mitch will probably run around what Wentz did in the 40.

Matt Miller compared him to a smaller Carson Wentz earlier this year which I think makes sense. He has a good, but not elite arm and pretty good mobility. He doesn't have Mariota's fumbling issues as far as I know and may be a little more accurate from the pocket, but doesn't have his upside either in my opinion. I think Kizer offers the highest ceiling of the 1st round QB prospects followed by Watson and then Trubisky. Trubisky is the safest and most-NFL ready of the three though. Mahomes and Webb are two interesting projects with really strong arms.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2667967-matt-millers-week-5-nfl-scouting-notebook-a-new-qb-rising-up-qb-draft-boards

Mariota ran a 4.52 kap ran s 4.53 at the combine. Marcus doesn't have a elite arm either both are in the same department IMO, we just haven't seen Mitch as much.

I'm not saying they are the same players but I see a lot of similar traits. I agree kizer has the biggest ceiling but I'll take Mitch who also has a big ceiling and not such a low floor...I'll take a wentz type prospect as well, 6-3 220 isn't that small IMO

This is a great article about him

http://www.todayspigskin.com/nfl-draft/getting-know-tar-heels-qb-mitch-trubisky-nfl-draft-prospect/

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Mariota ran a 4.52 kap ran s 4.53 at the combine. Marcus doesn't have a elite arm either both are in the same department IMO, we just haven't seen Mitch as much.

I'm not saying they are the same players but I see a lot of similar traits. I agree kizer has the biggest ceiling but I'll take Mitch who also has a big ceiling and not such a low floor...I'll take a wentz type prospect as well, 6-3 220 isn't that small IMO

This is a great article about him

http://www.todayspigskin.com/nfl-draft/getting-know-tar-heels-qb-mitch-trubisky-nfl-draft-prospect/

http://mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25076490/how-marcus-mariotas-40-time-stacks-up-vs-russell-wilson-kaepernick

Kaepernick's 4.52 was extremely generous. Mariota looks like he beat him by 0.05-0.1 seconds here. Also beat him in the vertical and broad jumps at the combine. My point was really that Trubisky isn't a Colin Kaepernick type of athlete either.

I'm rooting for a slight trade back if Garrett is off the board, but I'm not sure there would be interest in moving up. If we can't move back a little, I'd probably take Trubisky too.

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:

http://mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25076490/how-marcus-mariotas-40-time-stacks-up-vs-russell-wilson-kaepernick

Kaepernick's 4.52 was extremely generous. Mariota looks like he beat him by 0.05-0.1 seconds here. Also beat him in the vertical and broad jumps at the combine. My point was really that Trubisky isn't a Colin Kaepernick type of athlete either.

I'm rooting for a slight trade back if Garrett is off the board, but I'm not sure there would be interest in moving up. If we can't move back a little, I'd probably take Trubisky too.

No trade backs I want trade ups lol...no more waiting ona qb get your guy (if Myles is gone) and trade back up to get other impact guys. Get four solid prospect and overspend if you have to on young FAs.

Mitch is more than athletic enough and what he does is perfect for chip's offense or say a WCO timing based scheme.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Jcool:

You seem pretty gung ho to me. Every time i bring up a flaw you freak out like i am saying they are undraftable.

No i complained about Mitch that the last two games he has struggled & the way he was being talked about yesterday was like he had just had a monster game when it was just okay. The problem this year is you have QBs that are either air raid guys (Davis Webb, Pat Mahomes & Luke Falk), having inconsistent years (DeShone Kizer & Deshaun Watson) or could be one year wonders (Mitch Trubisky). So they all have huge risks.

There have been other great QB prospects sine Luck. 2015 saw Winston & Mariota go 1 & 2.

Freak out lol what? Every time I say something positive you nah say it or blow it off as if there's no possible way they could be a good qb prospect.

Manhones is a unfinished player (which I stated) with real upside, but is a 3rd round prospect much like how Dak was.

So you need to see a player play 4 yrs before you can say he's a good prospect? I don't, I can see the way Mitch reads the field makes the right read and throws the ball with consisitant accuracy that he has a good chance at being a solid starting qb in the league...doesn't hurt that we currently run a offense he's familiar with.

Just because he doesn't throw for 400 yards when they were blowing out citadel early doesn't mean anything (he only had to throw the ball 20 times) like I said you don't talk about context of the games...same with yesterday. His defense let up early points, his skilled player dropped 9 balls, and constant penalties negated positive passing plays. Yet he still had them within one score.

Mariota was not a no brainer qb prospect...he had a poor rookie season and his issue was could he play outside of a spread offense...weird. Guess what a full off season and coaching and he's looking pretty good to me! Why can't Mitch do that, IMO they have very similar qb skills.

Every single player being drafted has some sort of bust factor and at some point you have to get your qb and develop them because we haven't been doing that for 5 yrs and we have s**t because of it.

Waiting around for a no brainer qb to fall in our laps is the dumbest thing this team could do, it's a recipe for losing and that s**t isn't gonna fly anymore.

Got to remember, Jcool is the same guy who said Carson Wentz never played under center in college when it was proven otherwise.

Originally posted by jimrat:
Got to remember, Jcool is the same guy who said Carson Wentz never played under center in college when it was proven otherwise.

Not exactly what i said. My point was he wasn't exactly running this pro style offense some liked to claim. But not surprisingly you would miss that since for some reason you think that is relevant to this discussion. Oh and speaking of Wentz... Since his hot start... 6 TDs & 7 INTs with a 76.4 rating and Philly is 2-5.

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by jimrat:

Got to remember, Jcool is the same guy who said Carson Wentz never played under center in college when it was proven otherwise.

Not exactly what i said. My point was he wasn't exactly running this pro style offense some liked to claim. But not surprisingly you would miss that since for some reason you think that is relevant to this discussion. Oh and speaking of Wentz... Since his hot start... 6 TDs & 7 INTs with a 76.4 rating and Philly is 2-5.

You claimed he was never took snaps under center and you where proven wrong........it is relevant because you don't know s**t hahaha