NT Vita Vea - Washington - 6'5" - 332

Originally posted by Dillesq:

Originally posted by SteveYoung:

Originally posted by Dillesq:

The dline is okay but there is nothing wrong with strengthening a strength. We would have one of the best lines in the league. Not saying he's aaron Donald, but I'd love to have a monster like that next to Buckner to give us a truly dominant area on the team instead of being okay everywhere.

He's not Aaron Donald. He is Haloti Ngata. And in his prime Ngata was truly one of the best players in the league and a player offensive coaches had to game plan around.

I wasn't making the player comparison but a situation comparison. Having a dominant force on the interior is always good no matter what.

Agreed. And I know you werent comparing him to Donald.

Originally posted by genus49:

I know it's going to sound funny coming from me after my love affair with Sully but I think drafting a non pass rushing defensive lineman this year is a bad idea.

I'd love to have Vea on the roster but the reason I wanted Sully was his overall game and 2 years of less than impressive performances by Armstead.

I think we have 2 guys to build around in Buckner and Thomas. Hopefully Thomas takes the next step this offseason as a pass rusher so we get a well rounded player I imagined when we drafted him.

But investing so much into the DL without addressing the key pass rush would be a mistake. Yes it would be great to have an immovable inside DL and one that can push the pocket but we need that outside rusher to take this D to another level.

If an outside rusher isn't worth the pick then we're better off addressing other needs.

Take the best player available.

And Vea is far from just a run plugger.

This past season, Vea racked up three sacks, eight QB hits and 28 hurries on his 273 pass-rush snaps and his pass-rushing productivity rating of 11.0 ranks No. 3 among all FBS draft-eligible defensive tackles.

Vea is an absolute beast and he is far from a finished product.

Base D-Line

(5T) Solomon Thomas / Arik Armstead
(NT) Vita Vea / Earl Mitchell
(3T) Deforest Buckner / Sheldon Day
(LEO)- Ziggy Ansah / Elvis Dumervil

Nickle D-line

(9T) Deforest Buckner / Elvis Dumervil
(1T)  Vita Vea / Arik Armstead
(3T)  Solomon Thomas / Sheldon Day
(LEO) Ziggy Ansah / Cassius Marsh

That is an absolutely dominant Dline that would control games. Our run D was excellent last year imagine Vea in the middle and a full year of Malcolm Smith and Reuben Foster behind them.

Wow.

Originally posted by Dillesq:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by SteveYoung:

He's not Aaron Donald. He is Haloti Ngata. And in his prime Ngata was truly one of the best players in the league and a player offensive coaches had to game plan around.

I know it's going to sound funny coming from me after my love affair with Sully but I think drafting a non pass rushing defensive lineman this year is a bad idea.

I'd love to have Vea on the roster but the reason I wanted Sully was his overall game and 2 years of less than impressive performances by Armstead.

I think we have 2 guys to build around in Buckner and Thomas. Hopefully Thomas takes the next step this offseason as a pass rusher so we get a well rounded player I imagined when we drafted him.

But investing so much into the DL without addressing the key pass rush would be a mistake. Yes it would be great to have an immovable inside DL and one that can push the pocket but we need that outside rusher to take this D to another level.

If an outside rusher isn't worth the pick then we're better off addressing other needs.

That's why everyone here has agreed that the caveat to drafting Vea is that we sign Ansah in the offseason.

I would like Ansah no matter what. It yes. Dream scenario. Sick rotation this year with Thomas, earl, AA. That's how you dominate the line of scrimmage lol

Interior DL again? No thanks

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Interior DL again? No thanks

Have you seen this man play? He's gorgeous. Lol

Originally posted by SteveYoung:

Take the best player available.

And Vea is far from just a run plugger.

This past season, Vea racked up three sacks, eight QB hits and 28 hurries on his 273 pass-rush snaps and his pass-rushing productivity rating of 11.0 ranks No. 3 among all FBS draft-eligible defensive tackles.

Vea is an absolute beast and he is far from a finished product.

Base D-Line

(5T) Solomon Thomas / Arik Armstead
(NT) Vita Vea / Earl Mitchell
(3T) Deforest Buckner / Sheldon Day
(LEO)- Ziggy Ansah / Elvis Dumervil

Nickle D-line

(9T) Deforest Buckner / Elvis Dumervil
(1T)  Vita Vea / Arik Armstead
(3T)  Solomon Thomas / Sheldon Day
(LEO) Ziggy Ansah / Cassius Marsh

That is an absolutely dominant Dline that would control games. Our run D was excellent last year imagine Vea in the middle and a full year of Malcolm Smith and Reuben Foster behind them.

Wow.

That base D Line is as amazing as the Nickle Line is meh. One of the main reasons for not taking Vea.

I do like the Eagles rotation though, could keep them all fresh, but Buck, Thomas and Vea are all strictly inside players on passing downs.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Interior DL again? No thanks

Have you seen this man play? He's gorgeous. Lol

I have, we gotta starting build the roster though....at some point you're gonna have to pay all these high end 1st rd Interior lineman and no way out FO is gonna put that much money and high picks into one spot. A stud NT isn't needed to have a great D in this scheme.

Good player but not a need based on what else we're lacking.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Interior DL again? No thanks

Have you seen this man play? He's gorgeous. Lol

I have, we gotta starting build the roster though....at some point you're gonna have to pay all these high end 1st rd Interior lineman and no way out FO is gonna put that much money and high picks into one spot. A stud NT isn't needed to have a great D in this scheme.

Good player but not a need based on what else we're lacking.

I know, you're not wrong. I was indifferent about Thomas from a need standpoint, but understood the pick. I admit to having a man crush on Vea. I know you're right again about this scheme, (lol) but great players make any scheme work (with great coaches!) I'm not sure about him at 9-10, but I think Vea will go from 13-20 legit. Again, I'd say Vea has a bigger impact on our defense than R. Smith would.

The Buffalo dream trade would be my favorite scenario, Trade down and get rojo/Guice and price. I'd cream my pants.

Vea is going to run a 4.8 at the combine. At 330lbs. Give me all of that. That makes Buckner unblockable because double teaming him is no longer an option.

This draft is deep at CB. We could get him and still get Quenton Meeks, Mike Hughes, Jaire Alexander, Kevin Tolliver, Holton Hill etc later. I do get the point of paying everyone, but that's not something you worried about right now. We'd have Vea for at least 4 years before considering contract stuff. And since we will have to pay Buckner sooner, it would be nice to have a cheap stud next to him.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Interior DL again? No thanks

You have to admit. There is a little irony here.

Originally posted by Lobo49er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Interior DL again? No thanks

You have to admit. There is a little irony here.

Only down with this if we address pass rusher...give me Lawrence or ziggy

Wondering if the lions old GM connection works for us to land ziggy, is he the one who drafted him?

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Interior DL again? No thanks

+1

Earl Mitchell and D.J. Jones are enough....especially if you consider how we may be moving Solomon inside more on passing downs next year.

Originally posted by Dillesq:
Vea is going to run a 4.8 at the combine. At 330lbs. Give me all of that. That makes Buckner unblockable because double teaming him is no longer an option.

This draft is deep at CB. We could get him and still get Quenton Meeks, Mike Hughes, Jaire Alexander, Kevin Tolliver, Holton Hill etc later. I do get the point of paying everyone, but that's not something you worried about right now. We'd have Vea for at least 4 years before considering contract stuff. And since we will have to pay Buckner sooner, it would be nice to have a cheap stud next to him.

Saleh would use him in coverage...lol

Originally posted by jcs:

+1

Earl Mitchell and D.J. Jones are enough....especially if you consider how we may be moving Solomon inside more on passing downs next year.

Earl Mitchell was horrendous last year. DJ Jones? Meh. He won't even be on the 46 most games.

Originally posted by SteveYoung:

Originally posted by jcs:
+1

Earl Mitchell and D.J. Jones are enough....especially if you consider how we may be moving Solomon inside more on passing downs next year.

Earl Mitchell was horrendous last year. DJ Jones? Meh. He won't even be on the 46 most games.

really i thought mitchell wasnt too bad last year and DJ looked good when he had snaps.