NT Vita Vea - Washington - 6'5" - 332

Originally posted by SteveYoung:

But when people disagree with you over Solomon look out. The wrath of God comes down on us.

I don't say s**t like "Dude watch the film or at least learn how to. If you were as good at dissecting film as you were with making empty replys, you'd be an NFL analyst."

We can disagree/debate on someone all day that's fine...not once did I say stuff like that to you regarding solly.

Also I was talking about a clip that was provided...nowhere in this thread have hated on Veta as a player at all. We simply don't need more interior DL worth spending a top 10 pick on imo.

As much as I like Vita Vea and if he was drafted I think the 49ers would have one of the best D-lines in all of football. 49ers don't need or need to upgrade on the interior line.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

As much as I like Vita Vea and if he was drafted I think the 49ers would have one of the best D-lines in all of football. 49ers don't need or need to upgrade on the interior line.

Basically this

Originally posted by NYniner85:

I don't say s**t like "Dude watch the film or at least learn how to. If you were as good at dissecting film as you were with making empty replys, you'd be an NFL analyst."

We can disagree/debate on someone all day that's fine...not once did I say stuff like that to you regarding solly.

Also I was talking about a clip that was provided...nowhere in this thread have hated on Veta as a player at all. We simply don't need more interior DL worth spending a top 10 pick on imo.

You haven't hated on him, but you've said "he's not a pass rusher" and "he'd have to come off the field on 3rd down" which are both complete falsehoods.

I don't agree with attacking other posters but that does invite a "Do you watch film" type comment.

If you were to draft Vea, you'd either be having no faith in Solly developing as an inside rusher, or have faith he could develop as an edge guy.

He is a better prospect than Solly IMO, and I think it highlights that Solly was picked too high.

I do hope Solly becomes a dominant interior rusher in time, but think it's more of a stretch than Vea being one.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

You haven't hated on him, but you've said "he's not a pass rusher" and "he'd have to come off the field on 3rd down" which are both complete falsehoods.

I don't agree with attacking other posters but that does invite a "Do you watch film" type comment.

If you were to draft Vea, you'd either be having no faith in Solly developing as an inside rusher, or have faith he could develop as an edge guy.

He is a better prospect than Solly IMO, and I think it highlights that Solly was picked too high.

I do hope Solly becomes a dominant interior rusher in time, but think it's more of a stretch than Vea being one.

Please show me where I said he's not a pass rusher and will come off the field...I never said that. Why don't you go to the first page of this thread, I've liked Vea since I thought he was gonna declare last yr.

I've said over and over he's a great prospect and comped him to Danny Shelton, whom if you care to go back and look was very very high on.

All I've ever said is we have plenty of young good players inside...saleh has already stated the goal with solly is to put him inside.

As far as "watching film" I've watch the same amount as evenone in here that has a full time job and family probably gets to lol. I don't get to watch every single game (especially Washington) but when I can I'll get into draftbreakdown as much as possible. I've never labeled myself a draft scout and I'd imagine most people in here shouldn't be either.

Great player from what I've seen, just doesn't make sense to draft another interior guy in the top 10...there's plenty of great prospects that fill an actual need imho.

Please don't take that as me hating on him or people that like him cause that's not what I'm trying to do or haven't been.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
As much as I like Vita Vea and if he was drafted I think the 49ers would have one of the best D-lines in all of football. 49ers don't need or need to upgrade on the interior line.

Basically this

Dude, this I can see and agree with. Honestly I hope we keep Solly inside because he was a beast there regardless of him being light in the pants. I want to see him with a full offseason to work without a bs combine, draft, or late graduation in the way.

It's your response when the guy gave you actual film. Forget that the QB only went through his 1st read, or that Vea put his guy on the ground in 2 seconds. Suddenly all the excuses came up because you've already made your decision and you're sticking to it no matter what....that QB had all day too throw, guard was only 290, 4-5 seconds is an eternity. Someone went out of their way to give you film and that was your quick and effortless response. Don't put it on your fam or job, that's on your pride. Film don't lie if you break it down correctly without any bias.

Originally posted by 9erred:

Anyone who wants to take a NT in round 1 needs their head examined. The team only implements a NT 20 to 30 % of the defensive snaps.

Apologies NY, I thought this was you, and you said he's not an edge rusher, rather than he's not a pass rusher.

I do remember you making a lot of the arguments for Sollly last year, that you are now making against Vea this year.

I do look at need, but I don't think our interior line is yet a "don't need" which means there's no point drafting early.

I see it the same as our Safeties, we have two good young players there, so to pick the player they have to be head and shoulders above the rest.

I do think your arguments are based on the fact that Solly wouldn't be as effective for us as you hoped he'd be.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

You haven't hated on him, but you've said "he's not a pass rusher" and "he'd have to come off the field on 3rd down" which are both complete falsehoods.

I don't agree with attacking other posters but that does invite a "Do you watch film" type comment.

If you were to draft Vea, you'd either be having no faith in Solly developing as an inside rusher, or have faith he could develop as an edge guy.

He is a better prospect than Solly IMO, and I think it highlights that Solly was picked too high.

I do hope Solly becomes a dominant interior rusher in time, but think it's more of a stretch than Vea being one.

Please show me where I said he's not a pass rusher and will come off the field...I never said that. Why don't you go to the first page of this thread, I've liked Vea since I thought he was gonna declare last yr.

I've said over and over he's a great prospect and comped him to Danny Shelton, whom if you care to go back and look was very very high on.

All I've ever said is we have plenty of young good players inside...saleh has already stated the goal with solly is to put him inside.

As far as "watching film" I've watch the same amount as evenone in here that has a full time job and family probably gets to lol. I don't get to watch every single game (especially Washington) but when I can I'll get into draftbreakdown as much as possible. I've never labeled myself a draft scout and I'd imagine most people in here shouldn't be either.

Great player from what I've seen, just doesn't make sense to draft another interior guy in the top 10...there's plenty of great prospects that fill an actual need imho.

Please don't take that as me hating on him or people that like him cause that's not what I'm trying to do or haven't been.

In NYNiners defense I've never had a bad convo with him. It's all feel good, even when we disagree. Sometimes we read very different than what was typed. What I mean is the words don't nearly read how we meant to actually say it. So I never assume someone is being nasty or a jerk even if it sometimes reads that way. Text is tough gauge emotion.

He's not wrong in that we don't need Vea which is his biggest argument. He's actually not knocking the guy, he's knocking the value based on our roster- which is a valid argument.

I'll be blunt here and say - If we didn't draft Thomas than Vea would be a no brainer.

But Thomas was a solid and good choice even in hindsight at 2-3. Given that drafts circumstances.

Whoever drafts Vea will be very happy. If he goes to the Chargers next to Bosa it's going to be comical and as a football fan I'd enjoy it.

If we draft Vea I'll wager NYNiner has to tell Vea that he is not a pass rusher to his face....ok we will give him 5 feet distance so he has a chance to escape

It's true, I wasn't hating on NY, I had several discussions on the Solomon vs Hooker argument last year, I like Solomon and I have high hopes, but it's weird to hear him use the same arguments against Vea that he used for Solly last year.

Originally posted by TheNef77:

Dude, this I can see and agree with. Honestly I hope we keep Solly inside because he was a beast there regardless of him being light in the pants. I want to see him with a full offseason to work without a bs combine, draft, or late graduation in the way.

It's your response when the guy gave you actual film. Forget that the QB only went through his 1st read, or that Vea put his guy on the ground in 2 seconds. Suddenly all the excuses came up because you've already made your decision and you're sticking to it no matter what....that QB had all day too throw, guard was only 290, 4-5 seconds is an eternity. Someone went out of their way to give you film and that was your quick and effortless response. Don't put it on your fam or job, that's on your pride. Film don't lie if you break it down correctly without any bias.

Go look back to the first page of this thread you made...I've liked him since last yr. I've never hated him or didn't think he could be special. Just think we need help elsewhere with that top 10 pick. So the bias comment is pure crap.

As far as that clip goes yeah he threw a guard that's 40lbs smaller then him down. That's not amazing imo...there's much better "film" of him doing better things like this (as a pass rusher).

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So stop with the nonsense about me not liking him, I do and have since last yr. I feel there are very good prospects at other positions of greater need to be had in the top 10....It has nothing to do with him as a player.

Good lord lol

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Apologies NY, I thought this was you, and you said he's not an edge rusher, rather than he's not a pass rusher.

I do remember you making a lot of the arguments for Sollly last year, that you are now making against Vea this year.

I do look at need, but I don't think our interior line is yet a "don't need" which means there's no point drafting early.

I see it the same as our Safeties, we have two good young players there, so to pick the player they have to be head and shoulders above the rest.

I do think your arguments are based on the fact that Solly wouldn't be as effective for us as you hoped he'd be.

All good ...I'm curious as to what arguments Im making for solly vs Vea this yr? I didn't see him (solly) as a pure edge guy at all, imo he was a base LEO that will be mainly put inside on passing situations. I'm hoping he puts on a couple more Lbs and will be used inside full-time at some point. (Example Malik Jackson)

we're a yr removed from the draft and have a better understanding on what our coaching staff wants.

My argument with drafting Vea has absolutely nothing to do with thomas or whether I expected more from him. It has to do with already having a lot of young talent in the interior and the need from help at a lot of other places. It has to do with having invested a lot of draft capital at one spot, which in turn means having to spend a lot of money on that position when it comes time fo extend guys.

That's it my man.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

In NYNiners defense I've never had a bad convo with him. It's all feel good, even when we disagree. Sometimes we read very different than what was typed. What I mean is the words don't nearly read how we meant to actually say it. So I never assume someone is being nasty or a jerk even if it sometimes reads that way. Text is tough gauge emotion.

He's not wrong in that we don't need Vea which is his biggest argument. He's actually not knocking the guy, he's knocking the value based on our roster- which is a valid argument.

I'll be blunt here and say - If we didn't draft Thomas than Vea would be a no brainer.

But Thomas was a solid and good choice even in hindsight at 2-3. Given that drafts circumstances.

Whoever drafts Vea will be very happy. If he goes to the Chargers next to Bosa it's going to be comical and as a football fan I'd enjoy it.

If we draft Vea I'll wager NYNiner has to tell Vea that he is not a pass rusher to his face....ok we will give him 5 feet distance so he has a chance to escape

Thanks man! Yeah maybe my words get misunderstood from time to time in here...I'm never trying to be nasty towards anyone in here. I think in this day an age of social media, things are assumed as negative right off the bat.

Like I keep saying I'm a big fan of Vea, just don't think that's the direction we should go in the top 10. Dude is a freak but we got a lot of good young talent there.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

It's true, I wasn't hating on NY, I had several discussions on the Solomon vs Hooker argument last year, I like Solomon and I have high hopes, but it's weird to hear him use the same arguments against Vea that he used for Solly last year.

It's not the same though...I didn't value AA and we had Buck that was it. I do think building the trenches on both sides is how you start when rebuilding. I think we've done that (on defense) and by the end of the season our run D was top 6 in ypc allowed. We were getting interior pressure but had literally nothing on the edge.

We need to improve the secondary/edge/interior OL and get some play-makers before adding another interior guy, that's just my opinion on it.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

It's not the same though...I didn't value AA and we had Buck that was it. I do think building the trenches on both sides is how you start when rebuilding. I think we've done that (on defense) and by the end of the season our run D was top 6 in ypc allowed. We were getting interior pressure but had literally nothing on the edge.

We need to improve the secondary/edge/interior OL and get some play-makers before adding another interior guy, that's just my opinion on it.

I know, but a lot of your arguments were that Solly was the best player available, regardless that we had drafted D-Line twice in a row, if you don't rate AA, so surely that applies to Vea?

If Vea is the best player available by a lot, surely we have to take him? That's the argument you used last year. He improves the run defence and pass rush, he makes Buck better, sound familiar?

I personally don't think he will be the best available, and based on need he'd have to be by a margin, but I don't think we should completely discount him.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

It's not the same though...I didn't value AA and we had Buck that was it. I do think building the trenches on both sides is how you start when rebuilding. I think we've done that (on defense) and by the end of the season our run D was top 6 in ypc allowed. We were getting interior pressure but had literally nothing on the edge.

We need to improve the secondary/edge/interior OL and get some play-makers before adding another interior guy, that's just my opinion on it.

I know, but a lot of your arguments were that Solly was the best player available, regardless that we had drafted D-Line twice in a row, if you don't rate AA, so surely that applies to Vea?

If Vea is the best player available by a lot, surely we have to take him? That's the argument you used last year. He improves the run defence and pass rush, he makes Buck better, sound familiar?

I personally don't think he will be the best available, and based on need he'd have to be by a margin, but I don't think we should completely discount him.

Bottom line is only if Solly plays LE in nickel. Then you ask yourself, are we taking away a strength from him and playing out of position? The answer seems to be a definite yes IMO.