Harold Landry Boston College DE/OLB | Page 35

Mar 4, 2018 at 2:53 PM

9ers4eva
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Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:
So the logic is you're allowed to have a drop off in production due to an injury as long as you have freakish meausrables?

He wasn't injured vs Notre Dame or Clemson.

But if your measurables are freakish yah that'll get you drafted higher.

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Mar 4, 2018 at 2:53 PM

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Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
I was concerned about him to. Difference is Joey is a 6'5 monster.

Rob Rang is one of the best draft guys in business and he had him 66 overall going into combine. Walterfootball, who is often wrong but does unquestionably has sources, say multiple contacts had him as a 2nd day guy. Even Marvin thought the questions on Landry would push him into 2nd. I just don't see the elite measurable to justify a lack of production in 2017.

So cause he's 6-5 makes him a monster? Sounds like you're being hypocritical cause you don't like Landry ...dude has a down yr based on injuries and teams doubling him all yr (same as guys like Bosa/Garnett) but when healthy he put up elite production.

Also I can find scouts that have him high...NDT scouting has him as a top 12 prospect.

Mar 4, 2018 at 2:54 PM

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Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:
So the logic is you're allowed to have a drop off in production due to an injury as long as you have freakish meausrables?

He wasn't injured vs Notre Dame or Clemson.

But if your measurables are freakish yah that'll get you drafted higher.

He played well vs Clemson. We've posted many clips of that game. And going up against future nfl tackle Hyatt.

Mar 4, 2018 at 2:55 PM

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6'5=monster

Arik Armstead is the GOAT

Mar 4, 2018 at 2:56 PM

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Originally posted by NYniner85:
So cause he's 6-5 makes him a monster? Sounds like you're being hypocritical cause you don't like Landry ...dude has a down yr based on injuries and teams doubling him all yr (same as guys like Bosa/Garnett) but when healthy he put up elite production.

Also I can find scouts that have him high...NDT scouting has him as a top 12 prospect.

Measurables matter. Always have. Always will. Aren't end all be all but that's why Davenport will go higher than Landry.

Mar 4, 2018 at 2:57 PM

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Saw it suggested that's landry wouldn't be an every down player. Why wouldn't he? The Leo isn't asked to do a whole lot in base. What he /is/ asked to do, Landry excels at.

Mar 4, 2018 at 3:01 PM

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Originally posted by Lobo49er:
Saw it suggested that's landry wouldn't be an every down player. Why wouldn't he? The Leo isn't asked to do a whole lot in base. What he /is/ asked to do, Landry excels at.

Or Landry could rush from sam where he has a solid advantage over right tackles. Doesn't matter to me which side it comes from as long as he's creating pressure.

Mar 4, 2018 at 3:01 PM

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Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
It just shows he's not the same caliber of athlete as Beasley. Which he isn't.

I don't want a part time player selected in the top 10. So I care. If you take a LEO top 10 the dude better be able to play every down.

Dude part-time player stop it. We're in nickle like 70% of the time. Throw him as a SAM in base, then push him over to LEO in passing situation. You make it so black and white which it isn't regarding schemes. You said Yannick isn't a starter which he is, dude played near 950 snaps. Pass rush is valuable and we have zero

Like I said with edge rushers all I care about is the 3 cone, 20 yard shuttle, and 10-yard split and they were damn near identical and Landry weighs more than him.

Mar 4, 2018 at 3:02 PM

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Originally posted by Lobo49er:
Saw it suggested that's landry wouldn't be an every down player. Why wouldn't he? The Leo isn't asked to do a whole lot in base. What he /is/ asked to do, Landry excels at.

Has to set the edge in the run game. The part of the game no one appreciated about what Solomon Thomas was doing. If the 9ers draft Landry he's a situational pass rusher for year 1. I'd prefer to get that later in the draft. Now if Chubb is there that is a different story.

Mar 4, 2018 at 3:03 PM

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Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Measurables matter. Always have. Always will. Aren't end all be all but that's why Davenport will go higher than Landry.

And probably will fail cause he's got poor pad-level and was stiff as s**t in drills today.

You go ahead and draft purely on measurables an you'll end up with Josh allen...I'll take football players, especially ones that DID have good mesurables to begin with lol.

Mar 4, 2018 at 3:03 PM

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Originally posted by Lobo49er:
Saw it suggested that's landry wouldn't be an every down player. Why wouldn't he? The Leo isn't asked to do a whole lot in base. What he /is/ asked to do, Landry excels at.

He's going to be replacing Eli at SAM in base D. So he will have responsibilities outside of rushing on passing downs.

Mar 4, 2018 at 3:05 PM

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Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by Lobo49er:
Saw it suggested that's landry wouldn't be an every down player. Why wouldn't he? The Leo isn't asked to do a whole lot in base. What he /is/ asked to do, Landry excels at.

Has to set the edge in the run game. The part of the game no one appreciated about what Solomon Thomas was doing. If the 9ers draft Landry he's a situational pass rusher for year 1. I'd prefer to get that later in the draft. Now if Chubb is there that is a different story.

His job is to get in the backfield as fast as possible. Be disruptive. He's lined up wide already. What edge is he setting other than the one that's already set by his wide alignment? Are we talking about the same LEO position as described by Carrol?

[ Edited by Lobo49er on Mar 4, 2018 at 3:05 PM ]

Mar 4, 2018 at 3:06 PM

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Originally posted by NYniner85:
Dude part-time player stop it. We're in nickle like 70% of the time. Throw him as a SAM in base, then push him over to LEO in passing situation. You make it so black and white which it isn't regarding schemes. You said Yannick isn't a starter which he is, dude played near 950 snaps. Pass rush is valuable and we have zero

Like I said with edge rushers all I care about is the 3 cone, 20 yard shuttle, and 10-yard split and they were damn near identical and Landry weighs more than him.

I thought Folwer started. Mea culpa.

Jags Hawks Falcons and 9ers all play a D he'd start in. He'd also start for 3-4 teams. He's not gonna start on teams playing a standard 4-3. So trade down and see if he falls. Don't reach because of some paranoia about everyone wanting him. If someone wants to take him in top 15 let them. Get Lorenzo Carter later.

Mar 4, 2018 at 3:06 PM

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Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by Lobo49er:
Saw it suggested that's landry wouldn't be an every down player. Why wouldn't he? The Leo isn't asked to do a whole lot in base. What he /is/ asked to do, Landry excels at.

He's going to be replacing Eli at SAM in base D. So he will have responsibilities outside of rushing on passing downs.

Why would we put him at SAM when he's a textbook LEO?

Mar 4, 2018 at 3:09 PM

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Originally posted by Lobo49er:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by Lobo49er:
Saw it suggested that's landry wouldn't be an every down player. Why wouldn't he? The Leo isn't asked to do a whole lot in base. What he /is/ asked to do, Landry excels at.

He's going to be replacing Eli at SAM in base D. So he will have responsibilities outside of rushing on passing downs.

Why would we put him at SAM when he's a textbook LEO?

Because he won't be able to hold up in the run game. Mayock literally has him pegged has a 3-4 OLB. He's going to put his hand in the dirt on passing downs.