Harold Landry Boston College DE/OLB

Landry said he's working on implementing a stab/long arm move into his arsenal. Said he's been studying Khalil Mack(best long arm/stab in the game--he learned it from Aldon ).

If Landry adds that move to his repertoire as a counter to his devastating speed rush...

Originally posted by Lobo49er:

His job is to get in the backfield as fast as possible. Be disruptive. He's lined up wide already. What edge is he setting other than the one that's already set by his wide alignment? Are we talking about the same LEO position as described by Carrol?

Solomon was setting the edge all the time as a LEO. On base downs you can't just give run upfield and give up your gap. Teams will hammer that tendency with off tackle runs.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Landry said he's working on implementing a stab/long arm move into his arsenal. Said he's been studying Khalil Mack(best long arm/stab in the game--he learned it from Aldon ).

If Landry adds that move to his repertoire as a counter to his devastating speed rush...

Nice!

Definitely good to see legit pass rush draft options with such a weak pass rush FA class.

Lol

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by Lobo49er:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by Lobo49er:

Saw it suggested that's landry wouldn't be an every down player. Why wouldn't he? The Leo isn't asked to do a whole lot in base. What he /is/ asked to do, Landry excels at.

He's going to be replacing Eli at SAM in base D. So he will have responsibilities outside of rushing on passing downs.

Why would we put him at SAM when he's a textbook LEO?

Because he won't be able to hold up in the run game. Mayock literally has him pegged has a 3-4 OLB. He's going to put his hand in the dirt on passing downs.

SAM = strong side, near alignment, set edge in run game.

LEO = weak sided, wide alignment, explode into backfield, disrupt play

If we're not on the same page on those definitions for this scheme, then I can see why were disagreeing on where to play him.

Originally posted by okdkid:
Definitely good to see legit pass rush draft options with such a weak pass rush FA class.

Weak? It's abysmal.

Originally posted by Lobo49er:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by Lobo49er:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by Lobo49er:

Saw it suggested that's landry wouldn't be an every down player. Why wouldn't he? The Leo isn't asked to do a whole lot in base. What he /is/ asked to do, Landry excels at.

He's going to be replacing Eli at SAM in base D. So he will have responsibilities outside of rushing on passing downs.

Why would we put him at SAM when he's a textbook LEO?

Because he won't be able to hold up in the run game. Mayock literally has him pegged has a 3-4 OLB. He's going to put his hand in the dirt on passing downs.

SAM = strong side, near alignment, set edge in run game.

LEO = weak sided, wide alignment, explode into backfield, disrupt play

If we're not on the same page on those definitions for this scheme, then I can see why were disagreeing on where to play him.

Were not on the same page because you don't understand he's not a full time LEO. He's not big enough to play DE full time. Just like Solly should not be playing LEO full time.

Chubb has the size to play the position all 3 downs, like Myles last year. Landry is not a 3 down LEO.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Landry said he's working on implementing a stab/long arm move into his arsenal. Said he's been studying Khalil Mack(best long arm/stab in the game--he learned it from Aldon ).

If Landry adds that move to his repertoire as a counter to his devastating speed rush...

My question is why hasn't he already?

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
My question is why hasn't he already?

He said he's spent most of his time working on hoop flexibility and mastering his speed rush. Landry stated that his ankle/knee/hip bend didn't come naturally and that he had to work at it.

I loved hearing that because the fruits of his hard work jump off the tape. His bend is insane. I can only imagine what he'll become once he puts the same effort towards that stab counter. Also, that move requires strength so an NFL weight room will do wonders for him.

Originally posted by jreff22:

Because he won't be able to hold up in the run game. Mayock literally has him pegged has a 3-4 OLB. He's going to put his hand in the dirt on passing downs.

Which is what he is. And I'm not sure about LEO Armstead on 1st and 2nd down.

Elvis Dumervil is 5'11", 250. He started as a 4-3 DE.

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by Lobo49er:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by Lobo49er:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by Lobo49er:

Saw it suggested that's landry wouldn't be an every down player. Why wouldn't he? The Leo isn't asked to do a whole lot in base. What he /is/ asked to do, Landry excels at.

He's going to be replacing Eli at SAM in base D. So he will have responsibilities outside of rushing on passing downs.

Why would we put him at SAM when he's a textbook LEO?

Because he won't be able to hold up in the run game. Mayock literally has him pegged has a 3-4 OLB. He's going to put his hand in the dirt on passing downs.

SAM = strong side, near alignment, set edge in run game.

LEO = weak sided, wide alignment, explode into backfield, disrupt play

If we're not on the same page on those definitions for this scheme, then I can see why were disagreeing on where to play him.

Were not on the same page because you don't understand he's not a full time LEO. He's not big enough to play DE full time. Just like Solly should not be playing LEO full time.

Chubb has the size to play the position all 3 downs, like Myles last year. Landry is not a 3 down LEO.

He's 250 that's plenty big. Size isn't a major factor for Leo. Check this out:

https://www.fieldgulls.com/football-breakdowns/2013/6/4/4350052/seahawks-defense-pete-carroll-leo-and-5-tech

"The best pass rusher on the team is usually the defensive end to the open side of the field. That puts him on the quarterback's blind side and makes him a C gap player in this defense. We often align him wider than this in order to give him a better angle of attack and allow him to play in space. We align him a yard outside of the offensive tackle most of the time. He has to play C gap run support but at the same time he is rushing the passer like it is third and ten. He has to be able to close down however if the tackle blocks down on him. (He) has to be one of your best football players. Size does not matter as much. We want an athletic player who can move around." - Pete Carroll

I'll stop here. But it's pretty obvious to me that Landry would play Leo in base, and then one of the rush ends in sub. Only off the field for rest.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

My question is why hasn't he already?

He said he's spent most of his time working on hoop flexibility and mastering his speed rush. Landry stated that his ankle/knee/hip bend didn't come naturally and that he had to work at it.

I loved hearing that because the fruits of his hard work jump off the tape. His bend is insane. I can only imagine what he'll become once he puts the same effort towards that stab counter. Also, that move requires strength so an NFL weight room will do wonders for him.

Sounds to me like he's all about improving his craft

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

My question is why hasn't he already?

He said he's spent most of his time working on hoop flexibility and mastering his speed rush. Landry stated that his ankle/knee/hip bend didn't come naturally and that he had to work at it.

I loved hearing that because the fruits of his hard work jump off the tape. His bend is insane. I can only imagine what he'll become once he puts the same effort towards that stab counter. Also, that move requires strength so an NFL weight room will do wonders for him.

Sounds to me like he's all about improving his craft

Yeah - here's how he describes himself:

"Landry has no doubts about his ability heading into the NFL. He was asked who the best pass rusher is in the draft this year.

"I am," Landry answered. "I think that nobody in this class has a first step like mine, the bend like mine and the burst to the quarterback like me. I am not saying I am perfect, there are plenty of things I can improve on in my game, but in this draft, I do believe I am the best pass rusher."

http://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/114187-pass-rusher-harold-landry-would-love-play-49ers/