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Mar 4, 2018 at 6:42 PM

Jcool
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Originally posted by okdkid:
Don't know if posted....

The list of 250+ pound D-Linemen drafted in R1 with sub 6.9 3-cones at combine since 2000:

DeMarcus Ware
JJ Watt
David Pollack
Melvin Ingram
Joey Bosa
TJ Watt

(Soon to be) Harold Landry

FWIW

Ware: 262 lb
Pollack 265 lb
Watt: 290 lb
Ingram: 264 lb
Bosa: 269 lb
FYI TJ Watt was a linebacker not a D-Lineman

Landry: 252 lb

Mar 4, 2018 at 6:44 PM

#572

49ers808
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Originally posted by okdkid:
Don't know if posted....

The list of 250+ pound D-Linemen drafted in R1 with sub 6.9 3-cones at combine since 2000:

DeMarcus Ware
JJ Watt
David Pollack
Melvin Ingram
Joey Bosa
TJ Watt

(Soon to be) Harold Landry

Dat list doe

Mar 4, 2018 at 6:46 PM

#573

pd24
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Originally posted by Jcool:
Originally posted by okdkid:
Don't know if posted....

The list of 250+ pound D-Linemen drafted in R1 with sub 6.9 3-cones at combine since 2000:

DeMarcus Ware
JJ Watt
David Pollack
Melvin Ingram
Joey Bosa
TJ Watt

(Soon to be) Harold Landry

FWIW

Ware: 262 lb
Pollack 265 lb
Watt: 290 lb
Ingram: 264 lb
Bosa: 269 lb
FYI TJ Watt was a linebacker not a D-Lineman

Landry: 252 lb

Lol at the FYI. He is a LB because he was taken by a 3-4 team. Any of those guys would be Lbs on a 3-4 team and so will Landry if he is drafted by one.

Mar 4, 2018 at 6:46 PM

#574

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Originally posted by Jcool:
Originally posted by okdkid:
Don't know if posted....

The list of 250+ pound D-Linemen drafted in R1 with sub 6.9 3-cones at combine since 2000:

DeMarcus Ware
JJ Watt
David Pollack
Melvin Ingram
Joey Bosa
TJ Watt

(Soon to be) Harold Landry

FWIW

Ware: 262 lb
Pollack 265 lb
Watt: 290 lb
Ingram: 264 lb
Bosa: 269 lb
FYI TJ Watt was a linebacker not a D-Lineman

Landry: 252 lb

Harold Landry's weight/40/3-cone = 252 lbs/4.65 40/6.88 3-cone

Only 2 EDGE defenders since 1987 of at least 250 pounds bested or tied both his 40 and 3-cone

Jordan Willis, 2017: 4.53/6.85
DeMarcus Ware, 2005: 4.65/6.85https://t.co/XEch9MhTge
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Mar 4, 2018 at 7:05 PM

#575

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Originally posted by WRATHman44:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by WRATHman44:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by WRATHman44:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by jreff22:
Were not on the same page because you don't understand he's not a full time LEO. He's not big enough to play DE full time. Just like Solly should not be playing LEO full time.

Chubb has the size to play the position all 3 downs, like Myles last year. Landry is not a 3 down LEO.

Huh? Cliff Avril Is 6-3 252 and was their starting LEO for yrs in Seattle. In 2016 he has more snaps than anyone on that DL.

It's not going to happen.

Solid rebuttal

Probably wouldn't help to ask how much Yanick Ngakoue weighs... . For that matter, Reed and McKinley from Atlanta both weigh about 250, as well.

jreff, man, it's okay to be wrong sometimes. Maybe Landry would play SAM for the 49ers and move to DE in subs, but he's well w/in the weight range to play LEO. His average arm length would likely be more of a hindrance at SAM, where he'd be expected to set the classic rush edge more frequently (albeit against a TE much of the time).

He's damn near the same size as Eli.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/eli-harold?id=2552494

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/HAROLD-LANDRY?id=2559923

And Seattle liked Eli as a possible LEO during the draft process.

http://seahawksdraftblog.com/virginias-eli-harold-is-very-seahawky

And Saleh has him at SAM.

With all the talk about stopping the run, why would we drop Landry into a full time role at DE? None of our actual DE's are under 270. Keeping Solly at LEO on run downs and then moving Landry to LEO on passing downs makes the most sense.
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And Lynch and Shanahan both said they will try Eli at LEO in TC this year...

And we tried AA there last year. Throwing s**t at the wall...

This is Eli's last year under contract. Drafting Harold and letting him take over the SAM makes sense if we let Eli go.

We still need somebody to play the other DE on passing downs long term. So the idea of drafting a true LEO is still there for next year.

Okay dude, you continue to do you. Obviously, you know better than 3 other teams running this defense and the 49ers coach/GM, plus several posters here. Fact is, he ways the same or more as the starting LEOs for the other teams in the same defense. If he is drafted by the 49ers, he might play SAM, or he might play LEO. Shoot, he might play both, I don't know. It's silly, stubborn, and embarrassing for you to pretend that you DO know, one way or another. Let it go.

You're literally doing the same thing. You know better than all the evaluators that say he's suited to be a linebacker? Because a few of you agree my opinion is silly and I'm wrong?

Mar 4, 2018 at 7:09 PM

#576

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Originally posted by hubbyt:
Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
This. I can't fathom drafting a defender that can't play 3 downs being drafted at 9. Roquan Smith at 9 and Jeff Holland in the 2nd for pass rush help. We messed up last year by not taking Lawson. I just don't see the value in Landry in the 1st unless he's playing DL/Elephant.
I wouldnt mind Roquan either but this defense will not make the next leap without a serious pass rush. If they elect to draft Landry I would be good with it. Also to be honest elite pass rushers (assuming thats what Landry becomes) are not paid to stop the run. Your making way too big of a deal out of playing 3 downs. Aldon Smith was a part time player his first year and had an amazing impact on the defense.

Very true. But Justin Smith and RayMac were also playing out of their mind. I still think the combo of Smith/Holland (who can also rush on 3rd down ) is greater than Landry/and anyone else.

Landry has the missing ingredient for our D, but do you think the value is there at 9? Add in the "Froster" issues and I'd consider linebacker a weakness. Too bad we couldn't get both without using A LOT of draft capital.

Mar 4, 2018 at 7:09 PM

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Originally posted by pd24:
Lol at the FYI. He is a LB because he was taken by a 3-4 team. Any of those guys would be Lbs on a 3-4 team and so will Landry if he is drafted by one.

He was a linebacker because he played that at Wisconsin.

Mar 4, 2018 at 7:10 PM

#578

pd24
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Originally posted by Jcool:
Originally posted by pd24:
Lol at the FYI. He is a LB because he was taken by a 3-4 team. Any of those guys would be Lbs on a 3-4 team and so will Landry if he is drafted by one.

He was a linebacker because he played that at Wisconsin.

And if a 4-3 team would have drafted him, he would be on the DL, not a linebacker

Mar 4, 2018 at 7:13 PM

#579

Jcool
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Originally posted by pd24:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by pd24:
Lol at the FYI. He is a LB because he was taken by a 3-4 team. Any of those guys would be Lbs on a 3-4 team and so will Landry if he is drafted by one.

He was a linebacker because he played that at Wisconsin.

And if a 4-3 team would have drafted him, he would be on the DL, not a linebacker

Or he would of been a linebacker.

Mar 4, 2018 at 7:15 PM

#580

WRATHman44
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Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by jreff22:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by jreff22:
Were not on the same page because you don't understand he's not a full time LEO. He's not big enough to play DE full time. Just like Solly should not be playing LEO full time.

Chubb has the size to play the position all 3 downs, like Myles last year. Landry is not a 3 down LEO.

Huh? Cliff Avril Is 6-3 252 and was their starting LEO for yrs in Seattle. In 2016 he has more snaps than anyone on that DL.

It's not going to happen.

Solid rebuttal

Probably wouldn't help to ask how much Yanick Ngakoue weighs... . For that matter, Reed and McKinley from Atlanta both weigh about 250, as well.

jreff, man, it's okay to be wrong sometimes. Maybe Landry would play SAM for the 49ers and move to DE in subs, but he's well w/in the weight range to play LEO. His average arm length would likely be more of a hindrance at SAM, where he'd be expected to set the classic rush edge more frequently (albeit against a TE much of the time).

He's damn near the same size as Eli.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/profiles/eli-harold?id=2552494

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/HAROLD-LANDRY?id=2559923

And Seattle liked Eli as a possible LEO during the draft process.

http://seahawksdraftblog.com/virginias-eli-harold-is-very-seahawky

And Saleh has him at SAM.

With all the talk about stopping the run, why would we drop Landry into a full time role at DE? None of our actual DE's are under 270. Keeping Solly at LEO on run downs and then moving Landry to LEO on passing downs makes the most sense.

And Lynch and Shanahan both said they will try Eli at LEO in TC this year...
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And we tried AA there last year. Throwing s**t at the wall...

This is Eli's last year under contract. Drafting Harold and letting him take over the SAM makes sense if we let Eli go.

We still need somebody to play the other DE on passing downs long term. So the idea of drafting a true LEO is still there for next year.

Okay dude, you continue to do you. Obviously, you know better than 3 other teams running this defense and the 49ers coach/GM, plus several posters here. Fact is, he ways the same or more as the starting LEOs for the other teams in the same defense. If he is drafted by the 49ers, he might play SAM, or he might play LEO. Shoot, he might play both, I don't know. It's silly, stubborn, and embarrassing for you to pretend that you DO know, one way or another. Let it go.

You're literally doing the same thing. You know better than all the evaluators that say he's suited to be a linebacker? Because a few of you agree my opinion is silly and I'm wrong?

LOL, you literally stated that he was too small to play LEO. Literally every team that uses the LEO position has a guy playing that spot that is his size or lighter. THAT is silly.

Mar 4, 2018 at 7:16 PM

#581

WRATHman44
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Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by pd24:

Originally posted by Jcool:

Originally posted by pd24:
Lol at the FYI. He is a LB because he was taken by a 3-4 team. Any of those guys would be Lbs on a 3-4 team and so will Landry if he is drafted by one.
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He was a linebacker because he played that at Wisconsin.

And if a 4-3 team would have drafted him, he would be on the DL, not a linebacker

Or he would of been a linebacker.

Possible. He would likely have played either SAM or LEO (or both) in our system.

Mar 4, 2018 at 7:17 PM

#582

saniner
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All for this guy in a trade down. I think he can play both SAM and LEO

[ Edited by saniner on Mar 4, 2018 at 7:18 PM ]

Mar 4, 2018 at 7:24 PM

#583

pd24
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Originally posted by Jcool:
Originally posted by pd24:
Originally posted by Jcool:
Originally posted by pd24:
Lol at the FYI. He is a LB because he was taken by a 3-4 team. Any of those guys would be Lbs on a 3-4 team and so will Landry if he is drafted by one.
+ Show all quotes
He was a linebacker because he played that at Wisconsin.

And if a 4-3 team would have drafted him, he would be on the DL, not a linebacker

Or he would of been a linebacker.

Mar 4, 2018 at 7:24 PM

#584

pd24
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Originally posted by Jcool:
Originally posted by pd24:
Originally posted by Jcool:
Originally posted by pd24:
Lol at the FYI. He is a LB because he was taken by a 3-4 team. Any of those guys would be Lbs on a 3-4 team and so will Landry if he is drafted by one.
+ Show all quotes
He was a linebacker because he played that at Wisconsin.

And if a 4-3 team would have drafted him, he would be on the DL, not a linebacker

Or he would of been a linebacker.

No. Defensive end

[ Edited by pd24 on Mar 4, 2018 at 7:24 PM ]

Mar 4, 2018 at 7:26 PM

#585

Jcool
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Originally posted by pd24:
No

Okay so he played linebacker in college. Is playing LB right now... But because what his brother is a great DL that means he is a DL as well? That is not how it works. You dont just get to change his position because it helps fit the narrative you have built.