Harold Landry Boston College DE/OLB

Originally posted by tohara3:

Originally posted by Heroism:

I'm still aboard the Harold Landry bandwagon, especially if we can trade back a couple of spots and grab some extra picks. I hope he kills the combine.

Hero how many stars did you give Barnett out of 5 coming out and say....Lawson andddd Khalil Mack. Just for fun. I wanna see how far apart you had them PURELY coming out of college.

Thanks master

Originally posted by RumphSteak:

This dude over Arden Key.

Depends on which Arden Key shows up the rest of the year and at the Combine. Key was coming off an injury and put on a bunch of weight earlier this year, so he had a slow start. If he finds his game and his ideal playing weight, he could be a beast in the NFL.

Landry or Key in the top of 1st is the question for me. Is Key better at stopping the run but Landry a better pure pass rusher?

Would not mind Mata Afa' in the 2nd but he lacks coverage skills.

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:
Hero how many stars did you give Barnett out of 5 coming out and say....Lawson andddd Khalil Mack. Just for fun. I wanna see how far apart you had them PURELY coming out of college.

Thanks master

Khalil Mack was probably the most straightforward evaluation for everyone. The dude checked every box.

I wasn't high on Barnett. I thought he was overly dependent on his speed rush and being an average athlete didn't help. He hasn't been very impressive. He's got no high-quality sacks, and out of the 2.5 he's recorded, one was versus a tight end.

I'm pretty sure I was the leader of the Carl Lawson bandwagon. He had the best hand technique of all ER last draft.

Landry isn't an elite prospect, but his ability to bend is an elite attribute. This type of bend isn't normal:

if not 1 or 2, is he worth between the top 3 to 7th??

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:
Hero how many stars did you give Barnett out of 5 coming out and say....Lawson andddd Khalil Mack. Just for fun. I wanna see how far apart you had them PURELY coming out of college.

Thanks master

Khalil Mack was probably the most straightforward evaluation for everyone. The dude checked every box.

I wasn't high on Barnett. I thought he was overly dependent on his speed rush and being an average athlete didn't help. He hasn't been very impressive. He's got no high-quality sacks, and out of the 2.5 he's recorded, one was versus a tight end.

I'm pretty sure I was the leader of the Carl Lawson bandwagon. He had the best hand technique of all ER last draft.

Landry isn't an elite prospect, but his ability to bend is an elite attribute. This type of bend isn't normal:

that play looks like von miller all the way. Very unique quality in a pass rusher to have a good bend. Miles Garrett and Von Miller did it best

Originally posted by JustinNiner:
that play looks like von miller all the way. Very unique quality in a pass rusher to have a good bend. Miles Garrett and Von Miller did it best

Yup, Landry's ability to bend and flatten is special, and the more thought I've given it, the more I like him as a three-down SAM LB/ER. He can rush from both sides, but he is a natural rushing from the left side. Keep him there as SAM. This is exactly the type of pass rusher we're missing. He'd force QBs to step up and right into Buckner's waiting arms.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Yup, Landry's ability to bend and flatten is special, and the more thought I've given it, the more I like him as a three-down SAM LB/ER. He can rush from both sides, but he is a natural rushing from the left side. Keep him there as SAM. This is exactly the type of pass rusher we're missing. He'd force QBs to step up and right into Buckner's waiting arms.

He reminds me alot of Vic Beasley coming out. Beasley was very good at dipping as well. Atlanta uses him now alot like your suggesting, lining him up at SAM then dropping him to the edge in obvious pass rushing downs.

Originally posted by Willisfn4life:

He reminds me alot of Vic Beasley coming out. Beasley was very good at dipping as well. Atlanta uses him now alot like your suggesting, lining him up at SAM then dropping him to the edge in obvious pass rushing downs.

I don't think he's quite the athlete that Beasley was. Also, while admittedly not watching much of him, I worry about his run stopping ability. He reminds me of a less athletically limited barnett.

Can he play Sam LB?? in our new scheme MLB and WLB are sewn up , if he can play Sam- great!!!.

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

I don't think he's quite the athlete that Beasley was. Also, while admittedly not watching much of him, I worry about his run stopping ability. He reminds me of a less athletically limited barnett.

Landry may not be quite the athlete Beasley is but I wouldn't sell him short either. He's plenty athletic enough. Their similarities come from their techniques. Their both really savy at using that bend and dip to get to the quarterback.

Originally posted by Willisfn4life:

Landry may not be quite the athlete Beasley is but I wouldn't sell him short either. He's plenty athletic enough. Their similarities come from their techniques to get to the quarterback. Their both good at using their bend and dip.

I don't see a refined pass rusher in either Landry or Harold coming out of college. Very one dimensional, relying on speed to run the arc and quick get off. Problem is, when you don't have multiple ways to get to the QB you have to be absolutely elite in the one way that you do have. Landry had elite bend, but I don't know that the rest of his traits are elite enough to get by in the NFL with his one move, as opposed to a Beasley who is still an elite athlete, even by NFL standards.

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

I don't see a refined pass rusher in either Landry or Harold coming out of college. Very one dimensional, relying on speed to run the arc and quick get off. Problem is, when you don't have multiple ways to get to the QB you have to be absolutely elite in the one way that you do have. Landry had elite bend, but I don't know that the rest of his traits are elite enough to get by in the NFL with his one move, as opposed to a Beasley who is still an elite athlete, even by NFL standards.

Don't get me wrong just as I posted in the Chubb thread weeks ago, I actually value Chubb right now as the best edge rusher in this class for the very reason that you posted, he has a better variety of pass rush moves.

Landry has more moves than just his dip and sink though. That's just his go to move. I don't think he's quite as good of a prospect as Beasley was but their can be similarities in players and one be less of a prospect than the other.

I don't think Landry is a top five talent but I'd be fine with him in a trade down. My favorite prospect on the defensive side right now is bar none Roquan Smith. I think he will be a legit star at the NFL level.

Good points and good discussion.

I started having the same concerns about his overreliance on running the arc. No doubt, he's damn good at it, but I wanted to see what else he can do. Here's an example of how he uses his speed rush to set up other things:

Tackle takes a wide set. Landry counters by getting his hands inside and beats the tackle with the beautiful push-pull move. He's so damn good at flattening. Once he's got the corner, it's over.



I think he's only scratching the surface. Tackles have to compensate so much for his speed that it leaves vulnerable to a ton of counters. Watch out if he adds a counter inside spin/ice pick move.

AA be like,
"Why does he bend like that? What an idiot lul"