Bradley Chubb DE North Carolina State

Originally posted by Giedi:

Is he worth trading up and maybe giving up this years first and next years first? I'm betting next years first will be in the neighborhood of the 20th pick and lower - hopefully #32!

There isn't a single player in this draft that is worth giving up a future 1st rounder for if you don't happen to need a QB.

To me Chubb has gone from underated to overrated. He's a good DE but he's not the ideal LEO type you're looking for in this scheme, lacks the top end quickness and explosiveness. His 3 cone time was one of the worst for elite pass rushing prospects in recent memory.


I think what you'll get from Chubb is a reliable 8-10 sack a year guy who will do terrific as a run stopper. To me that has a lot of value but not "I am giving up a future 1st rounder" value.


This team has so many holes on the roster right now that they aren't in any position to be blowing up future drafts like that. They aren't a pass rusher away from the playoffs.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

There isn't a single player in this draft that is worth giving up a future 1st rounder for if you don't happen to need a QB.

To me Chubb has gone from underated to overrated. He's a good DE but he's not the ideal LEO type you're looking for in this scheme, lacks the top end quickness and explosiveness. His 3 cone time was one of the worst for elite pass rushing prospects in recent memory.


I think what you'll get from Chubb is a reliable 8-10 sack a year guy who will do terrific as a run stopper. To me that has a lot of value but not "I am giving up a future 1st rounder" value.


This team has so many holes on the roster right now that they aren't in any position to be blowing up future drafts like that. They aren't a pass rusher away from the playoffs.

Actually no player in this draft is worth giving up an extra first for

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Is he worth trading up and maybe giving up this years first and next years first? I'm betting next years first will be in the neighborhood of the 20th pick and lower - hopefully #32!

IMO he is worth trading up for but it depends on the price, the problem is if a team wants to trade back they will likely get a better offer for a team wanting a QB.

I wouldn't give up next years 1st. I can't see him getting passed the Colts but they could trade back again, the Bucs might do some business now they have JPP.

IMO, there isn't any player in this draft worth giving up a top 10 pick and another first for.

A desperate team like Bills would be the exception.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

There isn't a single player in this draft that is worth giving up a future 1st rounder for if you don't happen to need a QB.

To me Chubb has gone from underated to overrated. He's a good DE but he's not the ideal LEO type you're looking for in this scheme, lacks the top end quickness and explosiveness. His 3 cone time was one of the worst for elite pass rushing prospects in recent memory.


I think what you'll get from Chubb is a reliable 8-10 sack a year guy who will do terrific as a run stopper. To me that has a lot of value but not "I am giving up a future 1st rounder" value.


This team has so many holes on the roster right now that they aren't in any position to be blowing up future drafts like that. They aren't a pass rusher away from the playoffs.

I agree Phoenix, I would give the Colts and Bucs a call though, see if someone can be arranged, he's still a great player, even if not quite what we want.

Originally posted by Hardcoreniner559:

Originally posted by Giedi:
That would be so sweet if that happens, but I'm with Cisco, it's a very low probability of that happeneing.

To me, a great defensive end is almost worth as much as a franchise QB. I think he's that important, specially in the playoffs when you are facing QB's that can hit a fly at 50 yards with a football. A great DE is the only answer to those kinds of offensive threats.

There's to much going on at the top of the draft though like ny they will definitely take a qb that's a fact 1 either browns will take one at 1or4
Remember they begged for Jimmy g to be traded there also Denver I think ends up taking a qb they traded talib away and I think that means they want to build there offense first those teams taking qbs will let a lot of talent trickle down

I agree on the trickle down, but just how much trickle are we going to get? Assuming you are right, then it's the Buc's, Colts, and bears next - then us. So many things - like you said - is going on, it's really impossible to predict so I can see ShanaLynch trying their best to position themselves for a possible trade up or trade down. The NFL draft visits are an interesting thread because it gives you one way of how the 49ers are looking at the draft. So far 12 OLine visits and 13 edge/LB visits. I can see our draft going Edge, Edge/LB, OLine, DB, or something like that in the first four rounds. So far NY85 has ranked the edge rushers - Chubb, Landry, Davenport. I can see us going to trade down if Chubb or Landry aren't there and we're left with Davenport.

Originally posted by Hardcoreniner559:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:




There isn't a single player in this draft that is worth giving up a future 1st rounder for if you don't happen to need a QB.

To me Chubb has gone from underated to overrated. He's a good DE but he's not the ideal LEO type you're looking for in this scheme, lacks the top end quickness and explosiveness. His 3 cone time was one of the worst for elite pass rushing prospects in recent memory.

I think what you'll get from Chubb is a reliable 8-10 sack a year guy who will do terrific as a run stopper. To me that has a lot of value but not "I am giving up a future 1st rounder" value.

This team has so many holes on the roster right now that they aren't in any position to be blowing up future drafts like that. They aren't a pass rusher away from the playoffs.

Actually no player in this draft is worth giving up an extra first for

Well, I defer to the resident draft experts on this board. But I don't think we'll be 6-10 again next year. I think we should take advantage of that fact. Get as much talent as we can at the critical positions this year (while we are at the #9 position) and next year, if we do have a playoff run, use the remaining draft capital to flesh out the remainder of the team.

Originally posted by Hardcoreniner559:

Actually no player in this draft is worth giving up an extra first for

If you have no QB and there is a guy you feel can be a franchisebl QB then it is absolutely worth it to make a move for them.

Not having a QB in today's NFL is like playing on ultra difficult mode.

Originally posted by Giedi:

I agree on the trickle down, but just how much trickle are we going to get? Assuming you are right, then it's the Buc's, Colts, and bears next - then us. So many things - like you said - is going on, it's really impossible to predict so I can see ShanaLynch trying their best to position themselves for a possible trade up or trade down. The NFL draft visits are an interesting thread because it gives you one way of how the 49ers are looking at the draft. So far 12 OLine visits and 13 edge/LB visits. I can see our draft going Edge, Edge/LB, OLine, DB, or something like that in the first four rounds. So far NY85 has ranked the edge rushers - Chubb, Landry, Davenport. I can see us going to trade down if Chubb or Landry aren't there and we're left with Davenport.

I think we end up with Nelson in the first

Originally posted by Giedi:

Well, I defer to the resident draft experts on this board. But I don't think we'll be 6-10 again next year. I think we should take advantage of that fact. Get as much talent as we can at the critical positions this year (while we are at the #9 position) and next year, if we do have a playoff run, use the remaining draft capital to flesh out the remainder of the team.

Which is why it makes sense for them to stand pat and take the best player available or utilize the leverage your position gives you and trade down to pick up beaucoup picks to fill the numerous holes on the roster with.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Well, I defer to the resident draft experts on this board. But I don't think we'll be 6-10 again next year. I think we should take advantage of that fact. Get as much talent as we can at the critical positions this year (while we are at the #9 position) and next year, if we do have a playoff run, use the remaining draft capital to flesh out the remainder of the team.

I remember when I said we should take two offensive line guys in the first round then we took iupati and davis this draft seems so similar to me ......I agree we should trade next years first but try to get another teams first this years that way we take 2 players instead of trading up for one since I don't feel at the top other then the number 1 rb and guard Nelson have much of a talent gap ...........also would like to say I called we should move Boone to guard back then and I saw a guy on here claiming it was him who called that I think it was that miller guy too

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Which is why it makes sense for them to stand pat and take the best player available or utilize the leverage your position gives you and trade down to pick up beaucoup picks to fill the numerous holes on the roster with.

But if they offer you a 20 and up pick for next years first swap you would take it right ?

I also said on the Seahawks board bowman would be a mirror of Willis and was laughed out and had to take it back because our guys where on me to before he ever had a start ....I'm only saying this because I know some of you have to remember me

Originally posted by Hardcoreniner559:

Originally posted by Giedi:
I agree on the trickle down, but just how much trickle are we going to get? Assuming you are right, then it's the Buc's, Colts, and bears next - then us. So many things - like you said - is going on, it's really impossible to predict so I can see ShanaLynch trying their best to position themselves for a possible trade up or trade down. The NFL draft visits are an interesting thread because it gives you one way of how the 49ers are looking at the draft. So far 12 OLine visits and 13 edge/LB visits. I can see our draft going Edge, Edge/LB, OLine, DB, or something like that in the first four rounds. So far NY85 has ranked the edge rushers - Chubb, Landry, Davenport. I can see us going to trade down if Chubb or Landry aren't there and we're left with Davenport.

I think we end up with Nelson in the first

Historically, Kyle's never drafted OLInemn high in the draft. So based on that, I doubt we'll be taking an O LIneman in the 9th pick. Just my opinion though. I rely on NY85, Hero, and MadDog. It's their fault, I have this opinion.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Well, I defer to the resident draft experts on this board. But I don't think we'll be 6-10 again next year. I think we should take advantage of that fact. Get as much talent as we can at the critical positions this year (while we are at the #9 position) and next year, if we do have a playoff run, use the remaining draft capital to flesh out the remainder of the team.

Which is why it makes sense for them to stand pat and take the best player available or utilize the leverage your position gives you and trade down to pick up beaucoup picks to fill the numerous holes on the roster with.

I dunno, on offense, you can do that. Kyle is a master player evaluator on the offensive side. He can make dirt look like pure gold - with his offensive coaching skills. Defensively is another matter. What I'm worried about is - yes, say we trade down, and we get an Andre Carter instead of a Dwight Freeny. Yeck. Andre was nowhere near the player Freeny was. That's my fear.

Originally posted by Hardcoreniner559:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Well, I defer to the resident draft experts on this board. But I don't think we'll be 6-10 again next year. I think we should take advantage of that fact. Get as much talent as we can at the critical positions this year (while we are at the #9 position) and next year, if we do have a playoff run, use the remaining draft capital to flesh out the remainder of the team.

I remember when I said we should take two offensive line guys in the first round then we took iupati and davis this draft seems so similar to me ......I agree we should trade next years first but try to get another teams first this years that way we take 2 players instead of trading up for one since I don't feel at the top other then the number 1 rb and guard Nelson have much of a talent gap ...........also would like to say I called we should move Boone to guard back then and I saw a guy on here claiming it was him who called that I think it was that miller guy too

I think you are not valuing the kind of scheme Kyle uses. Keep in mind the ZBS needs smaller quicker linemen. Kyle's linemen don't need to be road graders, they just need to be mobile tree stumps. Basically they just need to get in the way of the D Linemen for this offense to work.

But for defense, it's a different matter. The whole 4-3 under relies on that talented elite Edge rusher. It's been that way since Seifert's days as a DC. Get that elite edge rusher right, and we have a dynasty with Jimmy at QB and elite edge rusher at LEO.