Roquan Smith, LB, Georgia

Originally posted by MTninerfan:

Originally posted by Hopper:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by MTninerfan:
I don't think much has changed with the draft strategy. You take the edge rusher with the 9th pick(Landry) then try to trade back up or take linebackers later in the draft. The odds of hitting on a serviceable linebacker later in the draft are better than hitting on a serviceable edge rusher.

agreed...people gotta remember Robert Saleh was a LBer coach for a while and was part of the group that brought in guys like Smith and Jack. He was around Seattle when they got Wright in the 4th and Wagner in the 2nd. Dude knows his LBers along with what he needs at the position. I think Smith is literally an ideal fit for this scheme BUT there are A LOT of very good LBers that can fit the bill later in the draft... ALSO Landry fits like a glove at a more important position.

IMO I don't see how or why they couldn't get Landry and still not end up with another good LBer prospect (or 2) in this draft

I'm all for taking advantage of the depth at interior OL, CB, and LBer in this draft by attacking players that are scheme fits at those positions later and taking a more impactful position in the 1st, where there's not a l lot of talent down the board.

I'm not as optimistic as you we're going to find a instinctive 3 down LB that can cover later in the draft that will have an immediate impact like Roquan. Saleh did a good job in Jacksonville but that doesn't make him some LB whisperer that can coach up anything you give him.

Maybe not. But what good is a LB that can cover if the the pass rush never gets home? But if you have a guy who takes no time getting to the QB, then you might be able to get away with a guy at LB who doesn't have to cover for long.

I wasn't born yesterday. I know the importance of having a pass rush.

Originally posted by Hopper:

I'm not as optimistic as you we're going to find a instinctive 3 down LB that can cover later in the draft that will have an immediate impact like Roquan. Saleh did a good job in Jacksonville but that doesn't make him some LB whisperer that can coach up anything you give him.

Why not? LB's in college these days do nothing but cover because of the spread offenses.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hopper:
I'm not as optimistic as you we're going to find a instinctive 3 down LB that can cover later in the draft that will have an immediate impact like Roquan. Saleh did a good job in Jacksonville but that doesn't make him some LB whisperer that can coach up anything you give him.

Why not? LB's in college these days do nothing but cover because of the spread offenses.

That doesn't mean they are all good at it.

Roquan is a great player. But I think Landry makes more sense at 9.

We have 2 third rounders, I'm sure the staff can find a stud LB

Landry, Corbett, Warner, and Meeks..
That would we an awesome first 4 picks.

Originally posted by Hopper:

I'm not as optimistic as you we're going to find a instinctive 3 down LB that can cover later in the draft that will have an immediate impact like Roquan. Saleh did a good job in Jacksonville but that doesn't make him some LB whisperer that can coach up anything you give him.

I'm not saying the LBers outside of smith will be as good as him. I'm saying there are some quality LBers outside of Smith that will be starters in this league and a bunch that fit this scheme.

Saleh knows LBers and has been around a ton of good ones...literally none of them were 1st rd picks. Why can't he be a LBer whisper? He's proven he's knows his s**t...You gotta let your coaches and scouts figure out who's a fit and has the traits you want. IF it's smith and only smith fine get your man.

Outside of about 4 guys there's not s**t at edge in this draft, no depth imo. Landry makes everyone else on that interior line better and helps the team get off the field.

Originally posted by flynhayn15:

Originally posted by jcs:
Just based on what Saleh has shared publicly we know he values run defense and without Foster for who knows how long we are relying on a LB core of Eli, Coyle and M.Smith who didn't take a single snap last season....It's gotta be Roquan at #9.

Saleh, also said he values getting off the field on 3rd down.

Obviously we need to upgrade both positions and we will probably attempt to do so. If we can't, which position would you be most comfortable walking away from this draft without a clear cut upgrade?

LB (Mike and Will) - M. Smith, Coyle, Elijah Lee

Edge (Sam and Leo) - Eli, Marsh, Pita, Watson,

(I excluded Toomer and Attaochu because I have no idea where the coaching staff plans to play them but feel free to factor them in to your decision.)

We need to get to 3rd down first. Without Foster our run-D will regress if he is not replaced by similar talent. We have nothing in the cupboard at lb either, and need talent upgrades all over the place. BPA all day. And if that means all we get at EDGE is a guy like Turay in the 4th who is a 3rd down pass rush specialist, so be it. If it means we get Landry at 9, so be it. Just draft the most talented player available in every round that is not a QB or FB.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by MTninerfan:
I don't think much has changed with the draft strategy. You take the edge rusher with the 9th pick(Landry) then try to trade back up or take linebackers later in the draft. The odds of hitting on a serviceable linebacker later in the draft are better than hitting on a serviceable edge rusher.

agreed...people gotta remember Robert Saleh was a LBer coach for a while and was part of the group that brought in guys like Smith and Jack. He was around Seattle when they got Wright in the 4th and Wagner in the 2nd. Dude knows his LBers along with what he needs at the position. I think Smith is literally an ideal fit for this scheme BUT there are A LOT of very good LBers that can fit the bill later in the draft... ALSO Landry fits like a glove at a more important position.

IMO I don't see how or why they couldn't get Landry and still not end up with another good LBer prospect (or 2) in this draft

I'm all for taking advantage of the depth at interior OL, CB, and LBer in this draft by attacking players that are scheme fits at those positions later and taking a more impactful position in the 1st, where there's not a l lot of talent down the board.

I'm fine getting Landry and then hoping Evans falls to the top of the 2nd, in which case I aggressively trade up to grab him. I think there is a massive drop off at MLB after Smith/Evans, same as the drop off at EDGE after Landry. I'd prefer a Landry/Evans combo more than a Roquan/Hubbard(or Sweat), although the latter is more likely as Evans has a better chance to get selected before Hubbard/Sweat.

My preference is Roquan, but I think most of this board will be super happy if Landry or Roquan is the selection at 9. It also means no Davenport or Edmunds which is all I want to avoid.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
agreed...people gotta remember Robert Saleh was a LBer coach for a while and was part of the group that brought in guys like Smith and Jack. He was around Seattle when they got Wright in the 4th and Wagner in the 2nd. Dude knows his LBers along with what he needs at the position. I think Smith is literally an ideal fit for this scheme BUT there are A LOT of very good LBers that can fit the bill later in the draft... ALSO Landry fits like a glove at a more important position.

IMO I don't see how or why they couldn't get Landry and still not end up with another good LBer prospect (or 2) in this draft

I'm all for taking advantage of the depth at interior OL, CB, and LBer in this draft by attacking players that are scheme fits at those positions later and taking a more impactful position in the 1st, where there's not a l lot of talent down the board.

Originally posted by Sourball:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

agreed...people gotta remember Robert Saleh was a LBer coach for a while and was part of the group that brought in guys like Smith and Jack. He was around Seattle when they got Wright in the 4th and Wagner in the 2nd. Dude knows his LBers along with what he needs at the position. I think Smith is literally an ideal fit for this scheme BUT there are A LOT of very good LBers that can fit the bill later in the draft... ALSO Landry fits like a glove at a more important position.

IMO I don't see how or why they couldn't get Landry and still not end up with another good LBer prospect (or 2) in this draft

I'm all for taking advantage of the depth at interior OL, CB, and LBer in this draft by attacking players that are scheme fits at those positions later and taking a more impactful position in the 1st, where there's not a l lot of talent down the board.

So we should go Landry, LB, OG, LB/CB, WR

Lol.

Originally posted by tohara3:
He would fit great next to Foster no doubt

sad but wont happen anymore

Originally posted by rxrunner:

Originally posted by tohara3:

He would fit great next to Foster no doubt

sad but wont happen anymore

I was so hoping to see that combo. A new Pat and Bo

Steve Wyche On NFLN just reported the people he spoke to regarding Foster and changing up their draft strategy...he said they already knew that they would probably be without him for some time and it wouldn't change their draft strategy.

He also said SF was looking at upgrading the LBer position later in the draft

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Steve Wyche On NFLN just reported the people he spoke to regarding Foster and changing up their draft strategy...he said they already knew that they would probably be without him for some time and it wouldn't change their draft strategy.

He also said SF was looking at upgrading the LBer position later in the draft

Who's the leak again? Paraag???

Jk

Originally posted by Mertonschickendance:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Steve Wyche On NFLN just reported the people he spoke to regarding Foster and changing up their draft strategy...he said they already knew that they would probably be without him for some time and it wouldn't change their draft strategy.

He also said SF was looking at upgrading the LBer position later in the draft

Who's the leak again? Paraag???

Jk

Yeah I wouldn't never expect them to say they'd change up their draft strategy and they'd be dumb if they though Foster was gonna play.

He did throw in that they planed on adding LBer help later in the draft...take that for what it is

Originally posted by 49erfaninAZ:

Originally posted by rxrunner:

Originally posted by tohara3:

He would fit great next to Foster no doubt

sad but wont happen anymore

I was so hoping to see that combo. A new Pat and Bo

The fact that Foster is not cut yet, means there is still a chance he plays for the team in the future. If the case was open and shut, there would be no reason to hold on to him and risk the PR nightmare.