Jeff Holland, EDGE, Auburn

I continued my edge rusher cut up series, did Landry and OO yesterday, done Jeff Holland, Josh Sweat and onto Duke Eijofor now.

One thing that stands straight out is how athletic Landry and OO are.

The others aren't in the same league of get off or burst. That said Holland makes up for it in spades with those hands (something Josh Sweat doesn't).

I'd like to see Holland adding some more moves, you can tell he's trying to bend better and it is getting there, but he's pretty much limited to rip and pull moves, saying that they are extremely effective.

I'm pretty sure he will outperform his draft pick, he looks like a 3rd/4th like Hero predicts (that said I'd much prefer him to Josh Sweat).

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
I continued my edge rusher cut up series, did Landry and OO yesterday, done Jeff Holland, Josh Sweat and onto Duke Eijofor now.

One thing that stands straight out is how athletic Landry and OO are.

The others aren't in the same league of get off or burst. That said Holland makes up for it in spades with those hands (something Josh Sweat doesn't).

I'd like to see Holland adding some more moves, you can tell he's trying to bend better and it is getting there, but he's pretty much limited to rip and pull moves, saying that they are extremely effective.

I'm pretty sure he will outperform his draft pick, he looks like a 3rd/4th like Hero predicts (that said I'd much prefer him to Josh Sweat).

Give how Carl Lawson looked last year, you think Holland could still fall to the 4th?

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Give how Carl Lawson looked last year, you think Holland could still fall to the 4th?

I think Lawson is a slightly better athlete. Holland is going to be (wrongly IMO) pigeon holed, to certain schemes (luckily ours is one he could thrive in)

Teams want super athleticism or elite length for a pass rusher, Jeff has neither so will fall.

I just want someone who can get to the QB.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Give how Carl Lawson looked last year, you think Holland could still fall to the 4th?

I think Lawson is a slightly better athlete. Holland is going to be (wrongly IMO) pigeon holed, to certain schemes (luckily ours is one he could thrive in)

Teams want super athleticism or elite length for a pass rusher, Jeff has neither so will fall.

I just want someone who can get to the QB.

Very true. I just posted elsewhere, I'd be down for grabbing both Okoronkwo and Holland. So many needs to fill.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Give how Carl Lawson looked last year, you think Holland could still fall to the 4th?

I think Lawson is a slightly better athlete. Holland is going to be (wrongly IMO) pigeon holed, to certain schemes (luckily ours is one he could thrive in)

Teams want super athleticism or elite length for a pass rusher, Jeff has neither so will fall.

I just want someone who can get to the QB.

He compares to Vontaze Burfict yet had better combine numbers including 40yd (4.79 to 5.12) and broad jump (116 to 104).

Burfict is an off-ball LB; Holland is an edge rusher.

And he'll be there on day 3. His athleticism and size, or lack thereof, will hurt his stock in team's eyes.

Originally posted by Heroism:
Burfict is an off-ball LB; Holland is an edge rusher.

And he'll be there on day 3. His athleticism and size, or lack thereof, will hurt his stock in team's eyes.

Holland with our second 3rd or the 4th should be a target.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
Did ya catch Okoronkwos measurables? Very impressive arms on that kid. Gimme both as bookends and it's smooth sailing.

I hope no team ever calls a run play on 3rd down

If he's with us, we'll have Thomas and Buckner on the inside, and Eli Harold (for now) and Roquan Smith to clean up at LB

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

Did ya catch Okoronkwos measurables? Very impressive arms on that kid. Gimme both as bookends and it's smooth sailing.

I hope no team ever calls a run play on 3rd down

If he's with us, we'll have Thomas and Buckner on the inside, and Eli Harold (for now) and Roquan Smith to clean up at LB

If we did get OO and Jeff Holland I'd be very happy, I'd only have them both on the field in obvious passing situations, but they can just flat out get after the QB. I think they'll be great pro's.

My current pass rusher rankings are

Chubb
Key (when he can be bothered)
OO
Landry
Holland
Ejiofor
Sweat
Turay
Haynes
Key (80% of games)

I'm yet to cut up Davenport and Key, mostly as I'm afraid to draft them as high as they'll go. I will get round to it.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
Did ya catch Okoronkwos measurables? Very impressive arms on that kid. Gimme both as bookends and it's smooth sailing.

I hope no team ever calls a run play on 3rd down

If he's with us, we'll have Thomas and Buckner on the inside, and Eli Harold (for now) and Roquan Smith to clean up at LB

If we did get OO and Jeff Holland I'd be very happy, I'd only have them both on the field in obvious passing situations, but they can just flat out get after the QB. I think they'll be great pro's.

My current pass rusher rankings are

Chubb
OO
Landry
Holland
Ejiofor
Sweat
Turay
Haynes

I'm yet to cut up Davenport and Key, mostly as I'm afraid to draft them as high as they'll go. I will get round to it.

Potentially having OO (LEO/SAM) and Holland (SAM) and thinking that Attaochu could surprise us are my reasons for wanting to pass on Landry and go in a different direction with pick 9.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by Heroism:
Burfict is an off-ball LB; Holland is an edge rusher.

And he'll be there on day 3. His athleticism and size, or lack thereof, will hurt his stock in team's eyes.

Holland with our second 3rd or the 4th should be a target.

Sold!

Just awful

Originally posted by NYniner85:

ICYMI, Jeff Holland's pro day numbers were NSFW.

6-1, 249
4.78 40
1.73 10
31.5 vert
9'10 broad
4.72 SS
7.25 3C

yikes

— Jon Ledyard (@LedyardNFLDraft) April 4, 2018

Just awful

Good, it will drop him down to the 4th round where he'll be a steal. I absolutely guarantee he'll be a better pro than Josh Sweat.

Hands and hustle > athleticism

He could last late into day 3.