Imo if they draft Fitz play him where he shines...in the slot and in different positions in sub. Colbert is our single-high guy. He's done nothing to say otherwise.
I'd have no problem with the pick at all he's a stud football player and you need DBs
Is Derwin James better? WHo would you rather have?
James is a straight up SS he would erase TEs in man. Fitz imo is a smarter more polished DB with more flexibility. I'd take either, I'm high on tartt and love the middle of our defense (outside of the Foster situation) overall.
I'd prefer to go in a different all together. We have talent at both safety spots. We don't have s**t at edge and a bunch of ? at LBer
FWIW James just said this
Derwin James told me the Cowboys will need to get ahead of the Buccaneers at No. 7 if they want to draft him. "That's a great organization. And I love their fans on social media."
2. Please explain what trait Jalen Ramsey showed in his college tape that Minkah has not.
The ability to play outside corner. More physicality and athleticism and played mind games all game getting under the skin of the opposition. He's the best Cornerback in the NFL and I though Ramsey coming out would be a better safety than corner. Comparing Fitz to Ramsey is like comparing Landry to Von Miller. Both are good players but not on those kinda levels.
Fitz can play single high safety at a high level and also slot CB
I disagree he can play single high safety as to most draft evaluators. FS sure, not a single high guy. SF passed on one of the best pure single-high FS prospects to come out in some time (hooker) no way they think Fitz is better at that position then he was.
He's optimal position is in the slot (and has even stated it), he's gonna be used in sub packages like big nickel and play closer to the line.
Very well said my thoughts exactly.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by GMniner805:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by pd24:
Ward is a high end nothing.
Fitz can play single high safety at a high level and also slot CB
Not as sold
I disagree he can play single high safety as to most draft evaluators. FS sure, not a single high guy. SF passed on one of the best pure single-high FS prospects to come out in some time (hooker) no way they think Fitz is better at that position then he was.
He's optimal position is in the slot (and has even stated it), he's gonna be used in sub packages like big nickel and play closer to the line.
Fitzpatrick is so much different than Hooker, there's a reason one was Defensive player of the year. Fitzpatrick lives breaths and sleeps football, Hooker was a basketball player that had to be convinced to play football. If you have any doubts about Fitzpatrick as a safety I'd check this out, great break down on why Fitzpatrick is wasted at slot CB and is an optimal single high safety.
Holy s**t how many times do people have to keep throwing this up yes I've seen it.
Go watch the Clemson game in 2016. He even thinks he's a slot DB lol not sure what else to tell ya.
Hooker had elite, I mean elite ball skills. his range, length, and speed are what you want as a single high guy.
I'm not doubting Fitz as a football player I love his character but we have our single-high FS and Kyle/lynch have already backed that up.
I like Colbert but IMO Fitzpatrick is still a significant upgrade, not quite as sold on the 7th round pick. Keep in mind anything Lynch or Shanahan say predraft has to be taken with a grain of salt, obviously they aren't going to tip their hand.
Fitz can play single high safety at a high level and also slot CB
I disagree he can play single high safety as to most draft evaluators. FS sure, not a single high guy. SF passed on one of the best pure single-high FS prospects to come out in some time (hooker) no way they think Fitz is better at that position then he was.
He's optimal position is in the slot (and has even stated it), he's gonna be used in sub packages like big nickel and play closer to the line.
You keep bringing up Hooker but 14 other teams also passed on him because of injury.
Originally posted by pd24:
Ward is a high end nothing.
Fitz can play single high safety at a high level and also slot CB
I disagree he can play single high safety as to most draft evaluators. FS sure, not a single high guy. SF passed on one of the best pure single-high FS prospects to come out in some time (hooker) no way they think Fitz is better at that position then he was.
He's optimal position is in the slot (and has even stated it), he's gonna be used in sub packages like big nickel and play closer to the line.
Very well said my thoughts exactly.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by GMniner805:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by pd24:
Ward is a high end nothing.
Fitz can play single high safety at a high level and also slot CB
Not as sold
I disagree he can play single high safety as to most draft evaluators. FS sure, not a single high guy. SF passed on one of the best pure single-high FS prospects to come out in some time (hooker) no way they think Fitz is better at that position then he was.
He's optimal position is in the slot (and has even stated it), he's gonna be used in sub packages like big nickel and play closer to the line.
Fitzpatrick is so much different than Hooker, there's a reason one was Defensive player of the year. Fitzpatrick lives breaths and sleeps football, Hooker was a basketball player that had to be convinced to play football. If you have any doubts about Fitzpatrick as a safety I'd check this out, great break down on why Fitzpatrick is wasted at slot CB and is an optimal single high safety.
Holy s**t how many times do people have to keep throwing this up yes I've seen it.
Go watch the Clemson game in 2016. He even thinks he's a slot DB lol not sure what else to tell ya.
Hooker had elite, I mean elite ball skills. his range, length, and speed are what you want as a single high guy.
I'm not doubting Fitz as a football player I love his character but we have our single-high FS and Kyle/lynch have already backed that up.
I like Colbert but IMO Fitzpatrick is still a significant upgrade, not quite as sold on the 7th round pick. Keep in mind anything Lynch or Shanahan say predraft has to be taken with a grain of salt, obviously they aren't going to tip their hand.
I get the idea. But it would be two years in a row of taking a redundant safe pick(solomon thomas was redundant). I think fizpatrick is at worst a solid player, who can become a dynamic player but I just don't see a superstar franchise player written on him. All I see is Jimmie ward 2.0.
We should diversify our skill sets and talent instead of overloading specific positions. We have three serviceable safeties on the roster, Two of which are very promising that doesn't include that we can add reid later on. I know you can deploy three safeties and find a way, but if we want to get insurance for colbert, get that person in the 3rd tr later. Give colbert a chance to grow.
We have more pressing needs on this team, and positions groups where we have noooooo quality starters. All three of our linebackers suck(Foster is getting cut), and zero outside pass rushers who can come in now and produce(LOL cassius marsh/attachou), we only have one potentially serviceable player at guard, we don't posses a dynamic receiver, we lack a lead runnigback.
But instead you would prefer we pick a player we essentially already have. Considering we have a FS who can fill that role, we would be picking him to play the slot or take snaps away from a promising player. Lets draft a Qb in the second, and then take another interior defensive lineman in the third while we are at it, and punt on the rest of the positions till next year.
Fitz can play single high safety at a high level and also slot CB
I disagree he can play single high safety as to most draft evaluators. FS sure, not a single high guy. SF passed on one of the best pure single-high FS prospects to come out in some time (hooker) no way they think Fitz is better at that position then he was.
He's optimal position is in the slot (and has even stated it), he's gonna be used in sub packages like big nickel and play closer to the line.
Very well said my thoughts exactly.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by GMniner805:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by pd24:
Ward is a high end nothing.
Fitz can play single high safety at a high level and also slot CB
Not as sold
I disagree he can play single high safety as to most draft evaluators. FS sure, not a single high guy. SF passed on one of the best pure single-high FS prospects to come out in some time (hooker) no way they think Fitz is better at that position then he was.
He's optimal position is in the slot (and has even stated it), he's gonna be used in sub packages like big nickel and play closer to the line.
Fitzpatrick is so much different than Hooker, there's a reason one was Defensive player of the year. Fitzpatrick lives breaths and sleeps football, Hooker was a basketball player that had to be convinced to play football. If you have any doubts about Fitzpatrick as a safety I'd check this out, great break down on why Fitzpatrick is wasted at slot CB and is an optimal single high safety.
Holy s**t how many times do people have to keep throwing this up yes I've seen it.
Go watch the Clemson game in 2016. He even thinks he's a slot DB lol not sure what else to tell ya.
Hooker had elite, I mean elite ball skills. his range, length, and speed are what you want as a single high guy.
I'm not doubting Fitz as a football player I love his character but we have our single-high FS and Kyle/lynch have already backed that up.
I like Colbert but IMO Fitzpatrick is still a significant upgrade, not quite as sold on the 7th round pick. Keep in mind anything Lynch or Shanahan say predraft has to be taken with a grain of salt, obviously they aren't going to tip their hand.
I get the idea. But it would be two years in a row of taking a redundant safe pick(solomon thomas was redundant). I think fizpatrick is at worst a solid player, who can become a dynamic player but I just don't see a superstar franchise player written on him. All I see is Jimmie ward 2.0.
We should diversify our skill sets and talent instead of overloading specific positions. We have three serviceable safeties on the roster, Two of which are very promising that doesn't include that we can add reid later on. I know you can deploy three safeties and find a way, but if we want to get insurance for colbert, get that person in the 3rd tr later. Give colbert a chance to grow.
We have more pressing needs on this team, and positions groups where we have noooooo quality starters. All three of our linebackers suck(Foster is getting cut), and zero outside pass rushers who can come in now and produce(LOL cassius marsh/attachou), we only have one potentially serviceable player at guard, we don't posses a dynamic receiver, we lack a lead runnigback.
But instead you would prefer we pick a player we essentially already have. Considering we have a FS who can fill that role, we would be picking him to play the slot or take snaps away from a promising player. Lets draft a Qb in the second, and then take another interior defensive lineman in the third while we are at it, and punt on the rest of the positions till next year.
You really think Foster will be cut now?? if that was really going to happen it would have been done already. With signs pointing to the DV charges being dropped there's a very good chance Foster gets off with an 8 game suspension and remains with the team.
The 49ers don't have a player like Fitzpatrick, if you're satisfied with Colbert at FS god bless. Comparing Fitzpatrick to Ward is extremely small minded, as Fitzpatrick is a 10x better prospect than Ward coming out of college. People did the same thing last year with Jamal Adams comparing him to Eric Reid. It really comes down to drafting the best player available that will impact the game, I think you're grossly under estimating the Bednarik award winner.
[ Edited by GMniner805 on Apr 25, 2018 at 12:24 PM ]
I like Colbert but IMO Fitzpatrick is still a significant upgrade, not quite as sold on the 7th round pick. Keep in mind anything Lynch or Shanahan say predraft has to be taken with a grain of salt, obviously they aren't going to tip their hand.
Dude no one cares when you were drafted once the draft is over. He played at a high level when given the chance, he showed nothing that doesn't allow him to have first team snaps in training camp.
Fitz isn't a true single high FS. They pasted on one of the best last yr (and we were in worse shape at safety). Fitz is a chess piece that can be used throughout the middle of the field. If the kid says he's best in slot (and flim backs it up) I'm not moving him from what got him here.
I like Colbert but IMO Fitzpatrick is still a significant upgrade, not quite as sold on the 7th round pick. Keep in mind anything Lynch or Shanahan say predraft has to be taken with a grain of salt, obviously they aren't going to tip their hand.
Dude no one cares when you were drafted once the draft is over. He played at a high level when given the chance, he showed nothing that doesn't allow him to have first team snaps in training camp.
Fitz isn't a true single high FS. They pasted on one of the best last yr (and we were in worse shape at safety). Fitz is a chess piece that can be used throughout the middle of the field. If the kid says he's best in slot (and flim backs it up) I'm not moving him from what got him here.
At this point that is purely your own opinion, don't forget Colbert was projected as CB
Malcom Jenkins moved from slot corner to FS and results speak for themselves.
Originally posted by pd24:
Ward is a high end nothing.
Fitz can play single high safety at a high level and also slot CB
I disagree he can play single high safety as to most draft evaluators. FS sure, not a single high guy. SF passed on one of the best pure single-high FS prospects to come out in some time (hooker) no way they think Fitz is better at that position then he was.
He's optimal position is in the slot (and has even stated it), he's gonna be used in sub packages like big nickel and play closer to the line.
Very well said my thoughts exactly.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by GMniner805:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by pd24:
Ward is a high end nothing.
Fitz can play single high safety at a high level and also slot CB
Not as sold
I disagree he can play single high safety as to most draft evaluators. FS sure, not a single high guy. SF passed on one of the best pure single-high FS prospects to come out in some time (hooker) no way they think Fitz is better at that position then he was.
He's optimal position is in the slot (and has even stated it), he's gonna be used in sub packages like big nickel and play closer to the line.
Fitzpatrick is so much different than Hooker, there's a reason one was Defensive player of the year. Fitzpatrick lives breaths and sleeps football, Hooker was a basketball player that had to be convinced to play football. If you have any doubts about Fitzpatrick as a safety I'd check this out, great break down on why Fitzpatrick is wasted at slot CB and is an optimal single high safety.
Holy s**t how many times do people have to keep throwing this up yes I've seen it.
Go watch the Clemson game in 2016. He even thinks he's a slot DB lol not sure what else to tell ya.
Hooker had elite, I mean elite ball skills. his range, length, and speed are what you want as a single high guy.
I'm not doubting Fitz as a football player I love his character but we have our single-high FS and Kyle/lynch have already backed that up.
I like Colbert but IMO Fitzpatrick is still a significant upgrade, not quite as sold on the 7th round pick. Keep in mind anything Lynch or Shanahan say predraft has to be taken with a grain of salt, obviously they aren't going to tip their hand.
I get the idea. But it would be two years in a row of taking a redundant safe pick(solomon thomas was redundant). I think fizpatrick is at worst a solid player, who can become a dynamic player but I just don't see a superstar franchise player written on him. All I see is Jimmie ward 2.0.
We should diversify our skill sets and talent instead of overloading specific positions. We have three serviceable safeties on the roster, Two of which are very promising that doesn't include that we can add reid later on. I know you can deploy three safeties and find a way, but if we want to get insurance for colbert, get that person in the 3rd tr later. Give colbert a chance to grow.
We have more pressing needs on this team, and positions groups where we have noooooo quality starters. All three of our linebackers suck(Foster is getting cut), and zero outside pass rushers who can come in now and produce(LOL cassius marsh/attachou), we only have one potentially serviceable player at guard, we don't posses a dynamic receiver, we lack a lead runnigback.
But instead you would prefer we pick a player we essentially already have. Considering we have a FS who can fill that role, we would be picking him to play the slot or take snaps away from a promising player. Lets draft a Qb in the second, and then take another interior defensive lineman in the third while we are at it, and punt on the rest of the positions till next year.
You really think Foster will be cut now?? if that was really going to happen it would have been done already. With signs pointing to the DV charges being dropped there's a very good chance Foster gets off with an 8 game suspension and remains with the team.
The 49ers don't have a player like Fitzpatrick, if you're satisfied with Colbert at FS god bless. Comparing Fitzpatrick to Ward is extremely small minded, as Fitzpatrick is a 10x better prospect than Ward coming out of college. People did the same thing last year with Jamal Adams comparing him to Eric Reid. It really comes down to drafting the best player available that will impact the game, I think you're grossly under estimating the Bednarik award winner.
Dude you want foster on this team? Even if the case is dropped, it doesn't mean he didn't hit her. If he hit her, he should be cut.
I am saying Colbert showed a ton of promise and was a rookie, he has all the ability to be a dominant single high safety. Why give up on him when we have other more pressing needs. Our defense was better when Colbert played, period.
By your logic if Vea is BPA on their board should they take him? Because position doesn't matter and we need impact players. We totally have defensive backs at the places he impacts. If anything we need an outside corner. Inb4 you say he can play outside corner. If we want him on the outside we might as well trade back and get isaiah oliver.
Originally posted by Ninerfan84:
You keep bringing up Hooker but 14 other teams also passed on him because of injury.
Was he not a top end single-high FS prospect??? IMO he was one of the best to come out in some time. SF was looking to move up all over the place for a LBer (reportedly as high as in the teens)
why didn't they make a move on him? Foster had injury and off field issues.
Every single safety we put back there last season played well. Colbert shined when given the chance, why you gonna take that away? His football character is top end, he's fast as f**k (pro day numbers range from 4.25 to 4.38) has size at 6-1 205, and can hit. Dude just needed a chance and too advantage of it. He made plays as soon as he got on the field.
I'll take Fitz and line him up all over the place and be happy about don't get me wrong. He's 3rd on my realistic draft hopefuls (Landry, Smith, Fitz)
Originally posted by GMniner805:
At this point that is purely your own opinion, don't forget Colbert was projected as CB
Malcom Jenkins moved from slot corner to FS and results speak for themselves.
Jenkins played FS in NO and they let his ass walk. He didn't turn into a true stud until he got that monster front 7 in Philly. He also isn't a straight up single-high FS, he plays all over the field.
Colbert was projected as a DB and they moved him to S half way through training camp.
Oh I'm the only one that doesn't see Fitz as a true blue single-high FS lol? the same as it's your opinion that he's a single-high guy. The PLAYER even stated where he's best playing at
NFL teams aren't in the business of replacing good, young, cheap, talented players with top 10 picks.
[ Edited by NYniner85 on Apr 25, 2018 at 1:14 PM ]
if that was really going to happen it would have been done already. With signs pointing to the DV charges being dropped there's a very good chance Foster gets off with an 8 game suspension and remains with the team. 
if that was really going to happen it would have been done already. With signs pointing to the DV charges being dropped there's a very good chance Foster gets off with an 8 game suspension and remains with the team. 