Minkah Fitzpatrick - CB/S, Alabama

Originally posted by Heroism:
I think he meant 50%.

Oh yeah. I need my coffee. 9 snaps is too small a sample size to conclude anything about his outside CB skills. So many of his snaps he takes a Hook/Curl drop. Wish he had more man coverage snaps just to see his athleticism on display. Lots of blitzing, which I wouldn't value highly since slot CB blitzes aren't something he'd do a ton of with the 49ers. All the unblocked blitzes he had are worthless in evaluation.

Originally posted by flynhayn15:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:

So more turnovers per year than Jalen Ramsey's total amount of interceptions (zero while playing outside corner) in 3 years (41 games) in college. But Minkah struggled on the outside right?

That's true he did have more turnovers than Jalen. But if you can honestly watch Minkah and then watch Jalen in college and see the same player then I disagree.

What traits do you see in Jalen that you don't see in Minkah?

More athleticism, smoother, better hips, more physicality(Minkah is physical but Jalen was a straight bully)

I like the story of Minkah and I do hope he's successful but I just didn't get the feeling that this guy is going to be an all pro kinda player. He's a smart player who has been coached extremely well in the Saban defense which we run so that's a plus. But as with all Alabama CBs the question is how comfortable are they having to backpedal? He looked good at the combine but that's just a drill it's different when it's in a game. I just have questions in regards to Minkah and I personally wouldn't risk the #9 pick to get the answers.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Heroism:

I think he meant 50%.

Oh yeah. I need my coffee. 9 snaps is too small a sample size to conclude anything about his outside CB skills. So many of his snaps he takes a Hook/Curl drop. Wish he had more man coverage snaps just to see his athleticism on display. Lots of blitzing, which I wouldn't value highly since slot CB blitzes aren't something he'd do a ton of with the 49ers. All the unblocked blitzes he had are worthless in evaluation.

I agree it's a very small sample size that's why it's hard for some to accept projecting him as a boundary cornerback. But in that small sample he was tested quite a bit and 50%ish were completions. The others may have been he shut down the play or the play was designed to go elsewhere.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Heroism:
I think he meant 50%.

Oh yeah. I need my coffee. 9 snaps is too small a sample size to conclude anything about his outside CB skills. So many of his snaps he takes a Hook/Curl drop. Wish he had more man coverage snaps just to see his athleticism on display. Lots of blitzing, which I wouldn't value highly since slot CB blitzes aren't something he'd do a ton of with the 49ers. All the unblocked blitzes he had are worthless in evaluation.

I agree it's a very small sample size that's why it's hard for some to accept projecting him as a boundary cornerback. But in that small sample he was tested quite a bit and 50%ish were completions. The others may have been he shut down the play or the play was designed to go elsewhere.

I don't think there's anything to conclude from 9 snaps. If it's 3rd & 15, and he gives up a 10 yard completion, it's going to look bad in that passer rating stat, but he did his job. We'd have to watch each of those snaps. If he's the guy, the 49ers should just play him at slot/FS. The slot CB is a starter in this league. I wish there more snaps of him in man. Anyone got a PFF breakdown of his passer rating when in man?

Originally posted by thl408:

I don't think there's anything to conclude from 9 snaps. If it's 3rd & 15, and he gives up a 10 yard completion, it's going to look bad in that passer rating stat, but he did his job. We'd have to watch each of those snaps. If he's the guy, the 49ers should just play him at slot/FS. The slot CB is a starter in this league. I wish there more snaps of him in man. Anyone got a PFF breakdown of his passer rating when in man?

I agree he should play slot but I think he would benefit from being a SS more than a FS. He likes being in the thick of it and is a threat coming on a blitz he just needs to be a little more in control on them. But if we are drafting a slot cornerback at 9 then I would rather get Ward or Alexander there who can transition to outside corner possibly easier than Minkah do to his inexperience. And keep Tartt and Colbert on the backend.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:

Can you give some examples of this?

Lol, so more than 50 of his outside corner snaps, he shut down his man and the QB had to go elsewhere?

Help me understand this graphic. It says he had 9 snaps at outside CB, and was targeted 4 times. Where is the 50 snaps coming from?

Sorry typo. I meant 50%

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Heroism:
I think he meant 50%.

Oh yeah. I need my coffee. 9 snaps is too small a sample size to conclude anything about his outside CB skills. So many of his snaps he takes a Hook/Curl drop. Wish he had more man coverage snaps just to see his athleticism on display. Lots of blitzing, which I wouldn't value highly since slot CB blitzes aren't something he'd do a ton of with the 49ers. All the unblocked blitzes he had are worthless in evaluation.

I agree it's a very small sample size that's why it's hard for some to accept projecting him as a boundary cornerback. But in that small sample he was tested quite a bit and 50%ish were completions. The others may have been he shut down the play or the play was designed to go elsewhere.

The small sample size says to me that his coaches didn't trust playing him outside. IMO slot is the least important of the DB positions and not worth a top 10 pick.

How many of you remember Marquez Pope? FA safety from the Rams that we moved to corner and did a serviceable job. Not sure why but from reading up on M Fitz, this is what I envision. Solid but may not be elite. I'm probably totally wrong but that's my thought.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:

So more turnovers per year than Jalen Ramsey's total amount of interceptions (zero while playing outside corner) in 3 years (41 games) in college. But Minkah struggled on the outside right?

That's true he did have more turnovers than Jalen. But if you can honestly watch Minkah and then watch Jalen in college and see the same player then I disagree.

What traits do you see in Jalen that you don't see in Minkah?

More athleticism, smoother, better hips, more physicality(Minkah is physical but Jalen was a straight bully)

I like the story of Minkah and I do hope he's successful but I just didn't get the feeling that this guy is going to be an all pro kinda player. He's a smart player who has been coached extremely well in the Saban defense which we run so that's a plus. But as with all Alabama CBs the question is how comfortable are they having to backpedal? He looked good at the combine but that's just a drill it's different when it's in a game. I just have questions in regards to Minkah and I personally wouldn't risk the #9 pick to get the answers.

You have examples of this? Greg Cosell disagrees with you about his smoothness and hips. Plus, Jalen's pre draft weaknesses include his willingness to be consistently physical. Minkah does not have that weaknesses. His "competitive toughness" (a scouting term) is off the charts.

Originally posted by flynhayn15:

You have examples of this? Greg Cosell disagrees with you about his smoothness and hips. Plus, Jalen's pre draft weaknesses include his willingness to be consistently physical. Minkah does not have that weaknesses. His "competitive toughness" (a scouting term) is off the charts.

Never saw Fitz do this.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Heroism:

I think he meant 50%.

Oh yeah. I need my coffee. 9 snaps is too small a sample size to conclude anything about his outside CB skills. So many of his snaps he takes a Hook/Curl drop. Wish he had more man coverage snaps just to see his athleticism on display. Lots of blitzing, which I wouldn't value highly since slot CB blitzes aren't something he'd do a ton of with the 49ers. All the unblocked blitzes he had are worthless in evaluation.

I agree it's a very small sample size that's why it's hard for some to accept projecting him as a boundary cornerback. But in that small sample he was tested quite a bit and 50%ish were completions. The others may have been he shut down the play or the play was designed to go elsewhere.

Or the completions could have all been bubble screens. Either way, you are right, it's not a big enough sample size. When I asked for examples of his struggles on the outside, I was hoping for some clips of him getting burnt. But somehow, those are hard to come by.

Originally posted by flynhayn15:

Or the completions could have all been bubble screens. Either way, you are right, it's not a big enough sample size. When I asked for examples of his struggles on the outside, I was hoping for some clips of him getting burnt. But somehow, those are hard to come by.

That's why him being drafted as a perimeter corner is sheer prejection. And I do not trust Alabama Cornerbacks. Minkah may be the best of them all but I really like Dee Milliner also.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:
You have examples of this? Greg Cosell disagrees with you about his smoothness and hips. Plus, Jalen's pre draft weaknesses include his willingness to be consistently physical. Minkah does not have that weaknesses. His "competitive toughness" (a scouting term) is off the charts.

Never saw Fitz do this.

Didn't have to, he could hang. Minkah was bout to get burnt so....

That's holding at the least and possibly interference at worst in the NFL.

Originally posted by WINiner:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:

Can you give some examples of this?

Lol, so more than 50 of his outside corner snaps, he shut down his man and the QB had to go elsewhere?

That's one way to read it I suppose. The other is that Minkah is going to be a colossal bust if taken in the top 10 and expected to play outside where QB's roast him on the regular, supported by the stats above. Minkah and Davenport are the 2 guys I want selected @9 the least. If they are the pick I will root for them and hope they do well, but both have high bustability imo.

You kidding right? Minkah high bustability is straight trash. He's one of the safest picks in the draft. Please enlighten me as to how you came to that conclusion

Originally posted by WINiner:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by flynhayn15:

You have examples of this? Greg Cosell disagrees with you about his smoothness and hips. Plus, Jalen's pre draft weaknesses include his willingness to be consistently physical. Minkah does not have that weaknesses. His "competitive toughness" (a scouting term) is off the charts.

Never saw Fitz do this.

Didn't have to, he could hang. Minkah was bout to get burnt so....

That's holding at the least and possibly interference at worst in the NFL.

you know that ain't Minkah right. Save your time and you don't need to answer my previous question. This tells me all I need to know of your knowledge on Minkah if you don't know what he looks like or who he plays for