Tua Tagovailoa, QB Alabama

Originally posted by JustinMT:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

In fairness to Sabs it's rare to pull a qb until after halftime. OSU is in this position all of the time and Fields comes out at half or in the 3rd. Tua had a bum ankle so you can certainly justify taking him out but unfortunately this is a lot worse.

Hopefully this doesn't tank his career yet alone his draft value.

This is a very serious injury. No one is gonna risk taking him in the top 5 now. Saban was a piece of s**t for even having him play in a game where he wasn't needed. Its not like they have scrubs at QB behind him. They're f**king Alabama. Saban cost him millions and maybe even a legitimate NFL career.

Well, prior to the playoffs Alabama really only had one game where they actually needed him. With that sort of schedule, are they supposed to leave their first string players on the sidelines until the playoffs?

But the criticism of Saban in this thread is misplaced. He is not employed to develop players for the NFL. He is employed to win games for Alabama.

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by JustinMT:

Originally posted by tjd808185:
In fairness to Sabs it's rare to pull a qb until after halftime. OSU is in this position all of the time and Fields comes out at half or in the 3rd. Tua had a bum ankle so you can certainly justify taking him out but unfortunately this is a lot worse.

Hopefully this doesn't tank his career yet alone his draft value.

This is a very serious injury. No one is gonna risk taking him in the top 5 now. Saban was a piece of s**t for even having him play in a game where he wasn't needed. Its not like they have scrubs at QB behind him. They're f**king Alabama. Saban cost him millions and maybe even a legitimate NFL career.

Well, prior to the playoffs Alabama really only had one game where they actually needed him. With that sort of schedule, are they supposed to leave their first string players on the sidelines until the playoffs?

But the criticism of Saban in this thread is misplaced. He is not employed to develop players for the NFL. He is employed to win games for Alabama.

He's also employed to take care of his student athletes. Tua played hurt against LSU so why not rest him? Saban is an adult, not a kid, he should have their best interest in mind and what was best for Tua and for the program was for him not to play against a s**t team like Mississippi State.

Originally posted by JustinMT:

He's also employed to take care of his student athletes. Tua played hurt against LSU so why not rest him? Saban is an adult, not a kid, he should have their best interest in mind and what was best for Tua and for the program was for him not to play against a s**t team like Mississippi State.

So if that injury happens to the backup qb or say the starting guard what do you say? Did he not protect them? Why does Tua get treated with princess gloves? As pointed out it's not Saban's job to go out of his way to ensure that Tua makes it to the 1st pick. Saban said he doesn't bench players early in fear of injury and it's not like a banged up ankle caused his hip to break. Tua was cleared to play, was obviously well enough to look amazing to build that lead, unfortunately he got hurt before it was time that the starters get pulled.

Originally posted by JustinMT:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by JustinMT:

Originally posted by tjd808185:
In fairness to Sabs it's rare to pull a qb until after halftime. OSU is in this position all of the time and Fields comes out at half or in the 3rd. Tua had a bum ankle so you can certainly justify taking him out but unfortunately this is a lot worse.

Hopefully this doesn't tank his career yet alone his draft value.

This is a very serious injury. No one is gonna risk taking him in the top 5 now. Saban was a piece of s**t for even having him play in a game where he wasn't needed. Its not like they have scrubs at QB behind him. They're f**king Alabama. Saban cost him millions and maybe even a legitimate NFL career.

Well, prior to the playoffs Alabama really only had one game where they actually needed him. With that sort of schedule, are they supposed to leave their first string players on the sidelines until the playoffs?

But the criticism of Saban in this thread is misplaced. He is not employed to develop players for the NFL. He is employed to win games for Alabama.

He's also employed to take care of his student athletes. Tua played hurt against LSU so why not rest him? Saban is an adult, not a kid, he should have their best interest in mind and what was best for Tua and for the program was for him not to play against a s**t team like Mississippi State.

They actually had the chance to throw in the backup and were warming him up, but Saban instead wanted to practice the 2 minute drill.

Tua just lost a lot of money today thanks to Saban.

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:

Originally posted by JustinMT:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by JustinMT:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

In fairness to Sabs it's rare to pull a qb until after halftime. OSU is in this position all of the time and Fields comes out at half or in the 3rd. Tua had a bum ankle so you can certainly justify taking him out but unfortunately this is a lot worse.

Hopefully this doesn't tank his career yet alone his draft value.

This is a very serious injury. No one is gonna risk taking him in the top 5 now. Saban was a piece of s**t for even having him play in a game where he wasn't needed. Its not like they have scrubs at QB behind him. They're f**king Alabama. Saban cost him millions and maybe even a legitimate NFL career.

Well, prior to the playoffs Alabama really only had one game where they actually needed him. With that sort of schedule, are they supposed to leave their first string players on the sidelines until the playoffs?

But the criticism of Saban in this thread is misplaced. He is not employed to develop players for the NFL. He is employed to win games for Alabama.

He's also employed to take care of his student athletes. Tua played hurt against LSU so why not rest him? Saban is an adult, not a kid, he should have their best interest in mind and what was best for Tua and for the program was for him not to play against a s**t team like Mississippi State.

They actually had the chance to throw in the backup and were warming him up, but Saban instead wanted to practice the 2 minute drill.

Tua just lost a lot of money today thanks to Saban.

Exaxtly, there was no reason to have him play a pointless two minute drill in a blow out.

How far do you think he falls now ?

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by JustinMT:

He's also employed to take care of his student athletes. Tua played hurt against LSU so why not rest him? Saban is an adult, not a kid, he should have their best interest in mind and what was best for Tua and for the program was for him not to play against a s**t team like Mississippi State.

So if that injury happens to the backup qb or say the starting guard what do you say? Did he not protect them? Why does Tua get treated with princess gloves? As pointed out it's not Saban's job to go out of his way to ensure that Tua makes it to the 1st pick. Saban said he doesn't bench players early in fear of injury and it's not like a banged up ankle caused his hip to break. Tua was cleared to play, was obviously well enough to look amazing to build that lead, unfortunately he got hurt before it was time that the starters get pulled.

The back up and the right guard aren't your star quarterback. Tua gets protected because Bama is gonna need him in more important games than Mississippi State. He's proven he's tough and can play hurt but it's foolish when you have a team of that caliber to put your star out there against a below average opponent. Last week, was understandable cause it was such a big game but let the guy's ankle rest for this game and next week, before facing Auburn at the end of the month. Going into that game with a healthy star QB makes a lot more sense than playing him against Mississippi State and WCU next week.

Originally posted by JustinMT:

The back up and the right guard aren't your star quarterback. Tua gets protected because Bama is gonna need him in more important games than Mississippi State. He's proven he's tough and can play hurt but it's foolish when you have a team of that caliber to put your star out there against a below average opponent. Last week, was understandable cause it was such a big game but let the guy's ankle rest for this game and next week, before facing Auburn at the end of the month. Going into that game with a healthy star QB makes a lot more sense than playing him against Mississippi State and WCU next week.

His ankle had nothing to do with this.

If you actually watch college football you see the starting QB's in the game during blowouts every week. If it's really bad they may start the backup in the second half but it's more likely the 3rd quarter. Justin Herbert played the whole game last night against an overmatched Arizona team. He usually plays most of the game even though Oregon has a lot of blowouts against cupcake teams. I see QB's staying in during these routs all the time. maybe it's to build stats for the Heisman but it's common to see these guys in for at least 3 quarters. Tua could have had that same injury in the 1st quarter. It had nothing to do with the ankle.

Originally posted by jersey49er:
How far do you think he falls now ?

To the Niners

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by JustinMT:
The back up and the right guard aren't your star quarterback. Tua gets protected because Bama is gonna need him in more important games than Mississippi State. He's proven he's tough and can play hurt but it's foolish when you have a team of that caliber to put your star out there against a below average opponent. Last week, was understandable cause it was such a big game but let the guy's ankle rest for this game and next week, before facing Auburn at the end of the month. Going into that game with a healthy star QB makes a lot more sense than playing him against Mississippi State and WCU next week.

His ankle had nothing to do with this.

I'm saying he shouldn't have been playing even before the hip injury because he was already injured and it made sense to keep him out for these two weeks.

Originally posted by JustinMT:
I'm saying he shouldn't have been playing even before the hip injury because he was already injured and it made sense to keep him out for these two weeks.

I doubt that Nick forced him to play. He must have felt pretty good because he was 14-18 for 256 yards and 2 TD's. Not bad for a guy hobbling around.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by JustinMT:
I'm saying he shouldn't have been playing even before the hip injury because he was already injured and it made sense to keep him out for these two weeks.

I doubt that Nick forced him to play. He must have felt pretty good because he was 14-18 for 256 yards and 2 TD's. Not bad for a guy hobbling around.

He did well against LSU too but again you gotta think about the long run and again he's a kid. He's not gonna make the smart decision for his long term health and career. After they lost that game, they should let him heal up for the Auburn game. This injury is just evidence of why Bosa did the right thing last year by not playing again for OSU after his injury and his family probably had a lot of say in that decision and rightfully so. They've been in the league, and they know college isn't worth hampering your career for. Tua doesn't have that sadly but its safe to say he could have sat out the year and still been the #1 overall pick. Now, who knows?

Originally posted by JustinMT:
He did well against LSU too but again you gotta think about the long run and again he's a kid. He's not gonna make the smart decision for his long term health and career. After they lost that game, they should let him heal up for the Auburn game. This injury is just evidence of why Bosa did the right thing last year by not playing again for OSU after his injury and his family probably had a lot of say in that decision and rightfully so. They've been in the league, and they know college isn't worth hampering your career for. Tua doesn't have that sadly but its safe to say he could have sat out the year and still been the #1 overall pick. Now, who knows?

So is every player that's projected to be a high draft pick supposed to sit out his junior year so he doesn't get hurt. This injury was not related to the ankle injury so there was no reason in his mind to sit out. Nobody knows when it's the right time to come back from an injury or when it's time to sit. It's the player and physician that make the decision and they have to live with it. Did Staley come back too soon? How about Sanders today?

Bosa was entirely different. He sat out to rehab that core injury. He may have been able to make the last couple games but he wasn't really ready. To say college isn't worth hampering your career for is crazy. College performance is why these guys get the chance at an NFL career. Tua may have been the #1 pick but maybe that wasn't his priority. Players have great careers without being the #1 pick or even being picked in the first round. Number one overall has been the kiss of death for more QB's than you can count. High expectations combined with landing on a crappy team is not all that great.

Originally posted by JustinMT:

I'm saying he shouldn't have been playing even before the hip injury because he was already injured and it made sense to keep him out for these two weeks.

Bama is still the #4 seed in the playoff hunt. Winning convincely is the best way to ensure it stays that way. You can't fault a college coach for fighting for that. It's not his job to ensure that Tua becomes the 1st pick it's his job to win national titles.

Tua would of been better off pulling a Bosa but he was medically cleared and wanted to play. Not so sure how a qb would be treated pulling that move either.