Nick Bosa, EDGE, Ohio St(The Politics Free Thread)

Originally posted by tjd808185:
Bosa isn't Garrett. I'm fine missing on him if it happens.

It would be really disappointing honestly. If we're gonna suck may as well get the best player at a position of need.

It wouldn't be the end of the world(and unfortunately I think this time next week we're no longer #1) but Bosa is a stud. Few matchup with Myles size & athletic ability combo but Bosa is an elite level pass rusher who is able to do some crazy things for his large size as well.

I think he'll test similar to his brother. Nothing jaw dropping as far as 40 time but will throw up top numbers at cone, shuttle and broad jump.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by WRATHman44:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Isn't this all for nothing because if the we and the Raiders lose out the raiders get first overall right? Us having the first pick right now is just a technicality.

If we finish tied with the Raiders, SOS will determine who wins the pick, not head to head. I think that's what your referring to, right?

Yes. So even though we have the first pick now we need the raiders to win again to get the first pick. I give us a lot higher chance of winning more games or being tied with the raiders then that happening.

No. There is no head-to-head attribute to determining draft order. If two teams have the same record, the team with a lower strength of schedule (opponents' win-loss record) selects first. If the strength of schedule is identical, a coin flip decides who picks first, and they alternate through the rest of the draft.

The 49ers and Raiders currently have identical records, but the 49ers have a lower strength of schedule. The 49ers need the teams in their division to lose a few games to stay on top of the draft order, since division rivals count double for SOS.[b]

This is the biggest thing, we still have the Seahawks twice, so either they beat us twice ruining our SOS or we beat them upping our win total.

We either need Carr to ball out, or more likely suck and the Raiders use their pick on a QB.

As long as they lose 3 of their other games, we should be fine. The Cardinals are an unmitigated disaster, which helps us a lot.

Originally posted by tjd808185:
Bosa isn't Garrett. I'm fine missing on him if it happens.

I agree with you. He is this year's top pass rusher. But Nick Bosa's are available every other year.

Originally posted by okdkid:

I agree with you. He is this year's top pass rusher. But Nick Bosa's are available every other year.

This is wrong. Nick Bosa is a very special talent.

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by tjd808185:
Bosa isn't Garrett. I'm fine missing on him if it happens.

I agree with you. He is this year's top pass rusher. But Nick Bosa's are available every other year.

Legit question...how much of Bosa have you watched? I'm not talking about listening to ESPN. Like legit watched his game.

No offense but if you admit to actually watching his tape and still saying the comment above then I'm going to put you in the don't take serious category.

It's one thing to have concerns as far as his injuries go but to say he's an every other year type prospect is crazy.

And even if your point was that he wasn't the elite athletic/size combo of Garrett that doesn't change the fact that guys of Bosa's caliber aren't readily available. So unless you're planning on us having a top 2 pick for the next few years Bosa is easily the best edge guy in this class.

Originally posted by genus49:

Legit question...how much of Bosa have you watched? I'm not talking about listening to ESPN. Like legit watched his game.

No offense but if you admit to actually watching his tape and still saying the comment above then I'm going to put you in the don't take serious category.

It's one thing to have concerns as far as his injuries go but to say he's an every other year type prospect is crazy.

And even if your point was that he wasn't the elite athletic/size combo of Garrett that doesn't change the fact that guys of Bosa's caliber aren't readily available. So unless you're planning on us having a top 2 pick for the next few years Bosa is easily the best edge guy in this class.

And at this point, I dont see anyone better, or very close, next year, and while its wayyyyy too early, I only see Xavier Thomas as a possibility the year after that. But regardless, even if he WAS an every other year talent, hes still the best ER in this class, by a considerable margin imo, and you definitely dont pick #1 overall every other year, so even if there is another Bosa next year or the year after, youd hope were not in position to grab him.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Bosa isn't Garrett. I'm fine missing on him if it happens.

I agree with you. He is this year's top pass rusher. But Nick Bosa's are available every other year.

Legit question...how much of Bosa have you watched? I'm not talking about listening to ESPN. Like legit watched his game.

No offense but if you admit to actually watching his tape and still saying the comment above then I'm going to put you in the don't take serious category.

It's one thing to have concerns as far as his injuries go but to say he's an every other year type prospect is crazy.

And even if your point was that he wasn't the elite athletic/size combo of Garrett that doesn't change the fact that guys of Bosa's caliber aren't readily available. So unless you're planning on us having a top 2 pick for the next few years Bosa is easily the best edge guy in this class.

Yep best edge guy in a class full of edge prospects... mind blown!

Originally posted by Alfienator:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by tjd808185:
Bosa isn't Garrett. I'm fine missing on him if it happens.

I agree with you. He is this year's top pass rusher. But Nick Bosa's are available every other year.

Legit question...how much of Bosa have you watched? I'm not talking about listening to ESPN. Like legit watched his game.

No offense but if you admit to actually watching his tape and still saying the comment above then I'm going to put you in the don't take serious category.

It's one thing to have concerns as far as his injuries go but to say he's an every other year type prospect is crazy.

And even if your point was that he wasn't the elite athletic/size combo of Garrett that doesn't change the fact that guys of Bosa's caliber aren't readily available. So unless you're planning on us having a top 2 pick for the next few years Bosa is easily the best edge guy in this class.

Yep best edge guy in a class full of edge prospects... mind blown!

I am no college guy, but the internet lets me keep up to date and read etc. Injury concerns are legit, but everything ive read and seen says this kid is the real deal.

My concerns about Bosa other than injury history are about production. I know he was often double teamed in college but 17.5 sacks in 3 years over 27 games is not dominating. It's very similar to the other guys available this year. It's good but not crazy good. I looked at the game logs on him and he only had one multiple sack game and that was against Oregon State. Many of the sacks he had came against the weaker teams on their schedule. He may have the motor and technique but if he can't totally dominate in college why do people think he will in the NFL where tackles are bigger, faster and stronger than what he faces in college. At 260-270 lbs it will be hard for him to overpower these guys and unless he is a 4.6 speed guy I don't know how he gets around them. I'm not saying that he will be a bust. I'm guessing he will have a good career if he stays healthy but I just don't see where he is head and shoulders above some of the other guys. He may be the best of the bunch but I'm not going to throw my shoe through the tv if we get someone else.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
My concerns about Bosa other than injury history are about production. I know he was often double teamed in college but 17.5 sacks in 3 years over 27 games is not dominating. It's very similar to the other guys available this year. It's good but not crazy good. I looked at the game logs on him and he only had one multiple sack game and that was against Oregon State. Many of the sacks he had came against the weaker teams on their schedule. He may have the motor and technique but if he can't totally dominate in college why do people think he will in the NFL where tackles are bigger, faster and stronger than what he faces in college. At 260-270 lbs it will be hard for him to overpower these guys and unless he is a 4.6 speed guy I don't know how he gets around them. I'm not saying that he will be a bust. I'm guessing he will have a good career if he stays healthy but I just don't see where he is head and shoulders above some of the other guys. He may be the best of the bunch but I'm not going to throw my shoe through the tv if we get someone else.

He also played on a team filled with superior athletes that could take the pressure off of him and in those massive blowouts that O.State typically had over no name U's he was able to simply pin his ears back and go after the QB on a regular basis.

The draft network's player profile of Bosa...

https://thedraftnetwork.com/2018/11/08/2019-nfl-draft-player-profile-nick-bosa/

i see Nick as a very similar to player to Joey in terms of strength and technique. Almost mirror-like. The difference is that Nick is lighter, faster, more explosive off the snap, and overall a better fit at LEO. I have no doubt Nick will have a major impact on any team he is on. The only thing i fear is his attitude. These Bosa boys seem to be ME guys

Originally posted by NYniner85:
The draft network's player profile of Bosa...

https://thedraftnetwork.com/2018/11/08/2019-nfl-draft-player-profile-nick-bosa/

Perfect summary of Baby Bosa. Nick is a thoroughbred. This is a young man who's spent his entire life being groomed to hunt quarterbacks.

Polish is present for an immediate impact at the NFL level. Wins with fundamentals and with athletic ability. Heady player who offers multiple layers to pass rush plan and rarely gets caught without a secondary counter ready to beat blockers.

Originally posted by jcs:
He also played on a team filled with superior athletes that could take the pressure off of him and in those massive blowouts that O.State typically had over no name U's he was able to simply pin his ears back and go after the QB on a regular basis.

Absolutely. That's why the combines are important. All these guys come from different caliber teams playing with and against different competition and probably in different systems. The scouts and GM's need to consider all that when looking at these guys and project them into their system. I refer to Aldon Smith often because he is an example of a guy that wasn't great in college but they looked at him and projected him along side a good NFL tackle. He was great playing next to Justin Smith but his production dropped off considerably when Cowboy began to slow down. Bosa could be the same next to Buckner but some of the other edge guys may be as good or better.

we better friggin tank den. we're in the drivers seat.

Unlike that one year with Kap ....we had the overall and this gonzo lookin ass wins one of the last games , then leaves in the offseason , just so we could get Garett.