Nick Bosa, EDGE, Ohio St(The Politics Free Thread)

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by jcs:
He also played on a team filled with superior athletes that could take the pressure off of him and in those massive blowouts that O.State typically had over no name U's he was able to simply pin his ears back and go after the QB on a regular basis.

Absolutely. That's why the combines are important. All these guys come from different caliber teams playing with and against different competition and probably in different systems. The scouts and GM's need to consider all that when looking at these guys and project them into their system. I refer to Aldon Smith often because he is an example of a guy that wasn't great in college but they looked at him and projected him along side a good NFL tackle. He was great playing next to Justin Smith but his production dropped off considerably when Cowboy began to slow down. Bosa could be the same next to Buckner but some of the other edge guys may be as good or better.

i agree. Teams will have to decide whether or not to guard Buckner or Bosa. Plus i think Lynch will be more aggressive and go after a edge rusher in FA too, like Frank Clark, Brandon Graham, or Demarcus Lawrence. I have high hopes for Kentavius Street also as the big end. Also havent given up hope on Solly to be a inside rusher

Originally posted by JustinNiner:

i agree. Teams will have to decide whether or not to guard Buckner or Bosa. Plus i think Lynch will be more aggressive and go after a edge rusher in FA too, like Frank Clark, Brandon Graham, or Demarcus Lawrence. I have high hopes for Kentavius Street also as the big end. Also havent given up hope on Solly to be a inside rusher

I feel like Clark and Lawrence have a combined 10% chance of either one even hitting the market.

Graham I could see though. Him plus a young stud from the draft would make a lot of sense.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Absolutely. That's why the combines are important. All these guys come from different caliber teams playing with and against different competition and probably in different systems. The scouts and GM's need to consider all that when looking at these guys and project them into their system. I refer to Aldon Smith often because he is an example of a guy that wasn't great in college but they looked at him and projected him along side a good NFL tackle. He was great playing next to Justin Smith but his production dropped off considerably when Cowboy began to slow down. Bosa could be the same next to Buckner but some of the other edge guys may be as good or better.

Dude stop overthinking Bosa...you see the technique, power, balance, bend, and motor. Doesn't matter who he's playing with those are HIS traits.

As far as getting stats vs no name schools he has at least one sack vs...

Oklahoma
Michigan st
Michigan
Wisconsin
USC

FWIW aldon was no scrub at Missouri...had 14.5 sacks in two yrs (11 his freshman yr) he was regarded as a top 15 talent in the draft and we took him at 7.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

The draft network's player profile of Bosa...

https://thedraftnetwork.com/2018/11/08/2019-nfl-draft-player-profile-nick-bosa/

Perfect summary of Baby Bosa. Nick is a thoroughbred. This is a young man who's spent his entire life being groomed to hunt quarterbacks.

Polish is present for an immediate impact at the NFL level. Wins with fundamentals and with athletic ability. Heady player who offers multiple layers to pass rush plan and rarely gets caught without a secondary counter ready to beat blockers.

Dude was bred to be a pass rusher...I can't believe people are questioning his ability because of who he played with . Unreal, go look at who Chubb played next two last yr and no one said a damn thing about that lol.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Aldon Smith often because he is an example of a guy that wasn't great in college

Dude, what? Aldon broke the Mizzou single-season record with 11 1/2 sacks as a redshirt freshman. Anyone watching his tape knew he was a beast in college.

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by JustinNiner:

i agree. Teams will have to decide whether or not to guard Buckner or Bosa. Plus i think Lynch will be more aggressive and go after a edge rusher in FA too, like Frank Clark, Brandon Graham, or Demarcus Lawrence. I have high hopes for Kentavius Street also as the big end. Also havent given up hope on Solly to be a inside rusher

I feel like Clark and Lawrence have a combined 10% chance of either one even hitting the market.

Graham I could see though. Him plus a young stud from the draft would make a lot of sense.

Yeah I'm gonna put it at like a 5% chance of Clark or Lawrence making it to FA lol. Not gonna happen.

Really the only edge guys I see hitting FA are Graham and Ziggy. I would love Graham he's reliable and solid. Ziggy has way too many injury concerns for me.

My issue is where do you play graham and a top rookie? Bosa is a three down guy same with Ferrell they'd be our LEO. Is graham our RDE? I haven't watched Philly enough to know what he does.

Originally posted by Heroism:
Dude, what? Aldon broke the Mizzou single-season record with 11 1/2 sacks as a redshirt freshman. Anyone watching his tape knew he was a beast in college.

You are right. I whiffed on that except I do remember many people wondering who he was when he was picked. Missouri is not that high of profile so we didn't get to see a lot of their games. I'm not saying Bosa isn't good. I just don't see that big of a difference. A lot of guys here are talking like it's a difference between 15 or 20 sacks with Bosa and 6 or 7 with any of the other guys. I think a realistic guess on Bosa would be 12 which is fine. I'm guessing he won't be better than his brother and maybe not as good. I'm guessing many of the other guys could get around 7 or 8 and maybe more. That would be fine. If we get the first pick we likely take Bosa. If not we grab one of the other guys. You never know, Bosa may slide back if there are any concerns over his health or if one of the other guys jumps off the charts at the combine. It happens all the time so we may get him even if we don't get the first pick.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by ninerAxe:
Seriously hope we don't lose the #1 pick and Bosa, especially after the Raiders chose the Bears over us on Mack. I know any given Sunday, but who between has the best chance of getting the#1 pick based on the remaining schedule?

We all know we have that always important week 17 game against the Rams who will be resting their studs. It's like I've seen this movie before and know how it ends....cough Solomon Thomas cough

That meaningless win still boils my blood.

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

Wondering if some people in this thread have even watched bosa

Nope. I sorta get questioning commitment and even injuries, though the injury stuff is far fetched, but questions about talent are just insane.

But it isn't just in this thread. Zone gonna zone.

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by JustinNiner:
i agree. Teams will have to decide whether or not to guard Buckner or Bosa. Plus i think Lynch will be more aggressive and go after a edge rusher in FA too, like Frank Clark, Brandon Graham, or Demarcus Lawrence. I have high hopes for Kentavius Street also as the big end. Also havent given up hope on Solly to be a inside rusher

I feel like Clark and Lawrence have a combined 10% chance of either one even hitting the market.

Graham I could see though. Him plus a young stud from the draft would make a lot of sense.

idk, im thinking cowboys would of extended lawrence by now. I think they will be planning to draft a replacement for him since they have to pay Amari Cooper, Dak Prescott, and Elliott either this offseason or the next. Given all the money they have spent on the O-line already, they dont seem to have much space yet. Plus i think its a 100% chance they shell out a big contract to earl thomas this offseason too. Demarcus Lawrence has a big chance of hitting the open market IMO

Originally posted by genus49:

Legit question...how much of Bosa have you watched? I'm not talking about listening to ESPN. Like legit watched his game.

No offense but if you admit to actually watching his tape and still saying the comment above then I'm going to put you in the don't take serious category.

It's one thing to have concerns as far as his injuries go but to say he's an every other year type prospect is crazy.

And even if your point was that he wasn't the elite athletic/size combo of Garrett that doesn't change the fact that guys of Bosa's caliber aren't readily available. So unless you're planning on us having a top 2 pick for the next few years Bosa is easily the best edge guy in this class.

It's like I personally offended you or something because people have a different opinion that INCLUDES calling him this year's best edge prospect.

Webzone is a weird place. If you don't match somebody's overwhelmingly positive opinion on a prospect you're hating. No nuance. Just love or hate.

Nick Bosa is this year's best edge rusher. However the drop off from him to the next tier is not considerable. Several top 5 worthy pass rush prospects this year.

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by genus49:

Legit question...how much of Bosa have you watched? I'm not talking about listening to ESPN. Like legit watched his game.

No offense but if you admit to actually watching his tape and still saying the comment above then I'm going to put you in the don't take serious category.

It's one thing to have concerns as far as his injuries go but to say he's an every other year type prospect is crazy.

And even if your point was that he wasn't the elite athletic/size combo of Garrett that doesn't change the fact that guys of Bosa's caliber aren't readily available. So unless you're planning on us having a top 2 pick for the next few years Bosa is easily the best edge guy in this class.

It's like I personally offended you or something because people have a different opinion that INCLUDES calling him this year's best edge prospect.

Webzone is a weird place. If you don't match somebody's overwhelmingly positive opinion on a prospect you're hating. No nuance. Just love or hate.

Nick Bosa is this year's best edge rusher. However the drop off from him to the next tier is not considerable. Several top 5 worthy pass rush prospects this year.

Your last paragraph is where the big disagreement comes in. Many feel the gap between Bosa and the rest is significant. No doubt there will be a couple edge rushers taken after Bosa that pan out as steals, but from a prospect standpoint, you can't even find a consensus #2 or #3 DE.

I've seen the second tier DEs projected in the top-10, but I've also seen those same guys projected outside the top-20. It's hard to argue any of them are blue chip guys like Bosa.

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by genus49:

Legit question...how much of Bosa have you watched? I'm not talking about listening to ESPN. Like legit watched his game.

No offense but if you admit to actually watching his tape and still saying the comment above then I'm going to put you in the don't take serious category.

It's one thing to have concerns as far as his injuries go but to say he's an every other year type prospect is crazy.

And even if your point was that he wasn't the elite athletic/size combo of Garrett that doesn't change the fact that guys of Bosa's caliber aren't readily available. So unless you're planning on us having a top 2 pick for the next few years Bosa is easily the best edge guy in this class.

It's like I personally offended you or something because people have a different opinion that INCLUDES calling him this year's best edge prospect.

Webzone is a weird place. If you don't match somebody's overwhelmingly positive opinion on a prospect you're hating. No nuance. Just love or hate.

Nick Bosa is this year's best edge rusher. However the drop off from him to the next tier is not considerable. Several top 5 worthy pass rush prospects this year.

Nothing on these boards offends me. I was legit curious because I don't understand how someone can watch Bosa and think he's a prospect you can find every other year.

It's one thing if you think the difference between him and other guys isn't that drastic but making him out to be nothing special is bizarre to me.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Dude, what? Aldon broke the Mizzou single-season record with 11 1/2 sacks as a redshirt freshman. Anyone watching his tape knew he was a beast in college.

You are right. I whiffed on that except I do remember many people wondering who he was when he was picked. Missouri is not that high of profile so we didn't get to see a lot of their games. I'm not saying Bosa isn't good. I just don't see that big of a difference. A lot of guys here are talking like it's a difference between 15 or 20 sacks with Bosa and 6 or 7 with any of the other guys. I think a realistic guess on Bosa would be 12 which is fine. I'm guessing he won't be better than his brother and maybe not as good. I'm guessing many of the other guys could get around 7 or 8 and maybe more. That would be fine. If we get the first pick we likely take Bosa. If not we grab one of the other guys. You never know, Bosa may slide back if there are any concerns over his health or if one of the other guys jumps off the charts at the combine. It happens all the time so we may get him even if we don't get the first pick.

It's a different time. Social media changed all of that.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

My concerns about Bosa other than injury history are about production. I know he was often double teamed in college but 17.5 sacks in 3 years over 27 games is not dominating. It's very similar to the other guys available this year. It's good but not crazy good. I looked at the game logs on him and he only had one multiple sack game and that was against Oregon State. Many of the sacks he had came against the weaker teams on their schedule. He may have the motor and technique but if he can't totally dominate in college why do people think he will in the NFL where tackles are bigger, faster and stronger than what he faces in college. At 260-270 lbs it will be hard for him to overpower these guys and unless he is a 4.6 speed guy I don't know how he gets around them. I'm not saying that he will be a bust. I'm guessing he will have a good career if he stays healthy but I just don't see where he is head and shoulders above some of the other guys. He may be the best of the bunch but I'm not going to throw my shoe through the tv if we get someone else.

Production in college doesn't always spell success in the NFL. Yes you want guys who can make plays so production has to be there but you look for traits that translate to NFL play and Bosa has them in spades.

But as far as Bosas production he led OSU with 8.5 sacks last year when they rotate a lot of guys and he was well on his way to beating those numbers getting 4 sacks in 3 games with at least one sack per game before getting hurt.

But not every prospect has production like Garrett or Von Miller.

Khalil Mack as great as he was hit double digit sacks just once with 10.5 his senior year.
Danielle Hunter had 4.5 sacks in 3 years with LSU
JJ Watts had highest total was 7 sacks
Jason Pierre Paul just had 6.5
Marcus Davenport who the Saints basically gave an extra first rounder for top mark was 8.5 sacks.