Nick Bosa, EDGE, Ohio St(The Politics Free Thread)

Originally posted by frankieuc68:

Didn't we draft Mcglinchey to eventually take over for Staley? If so, a RT can be had in FA or later in the draft. We also signed that guy Coleman to compete if Mcglinchey moves over. I would love a Williams and Mcglinchey tackle combo, but we need to fix that defense with the Edge as being the most important need. Bosa, Allen, Polite... this team needs one of them!

I'm with ya

Originally posted by Nastastical:

Originally posted by English:
"Garoppolo is mobile and gets rid of the ball very quickly."

Because we can expect the same Jimmy coming back from a torn ACL?

Why risk him running around the pocket to avoid rushers because we neglected finding a legit replacement for Staley if he retires?

Bosa isn't saving us if Jimmy gets hurt again because we failed to build a line that can protect him.

Torn ACL's for a pocket qb are not a big deal compared to something like a significant shoulder injury. Brady tore his 10 years ago and it had no lingering effect. We should prioritize tackle IF staley retires. That being said, if we have the first overall pick needs to be a an edge player. Thats where the best talent in this draft lies, and thats what we need desperately. We could trade back into the first and grab a tackle IF Staley retires. Our defense will not be able to take a step forward with out improvement off the edge.

If staley does return, we should prioritize getting a developmental tackle later in the draft either way.

Originally posted by Nastastical:

I'm all for playing Williams inside for a year if Joe returns. My statement was addressing the post saying that some scouts believe Williams should be moved to guard permanently. He's a tackle and an excellent one at that with really polished technique that you don't see in many tackles coming into the league.

I'm also dead against putting Jimmy at risk with some nobody FA or draft project playing RT for him if Joe retires. In today's NFL, your RT needs to be just as good in pass protection as your LT. So moving McGlinchey to LT still leaves us in a bad spot.

Do you guys really want to spend 2019 with Jimmy on the sidelines again because we prioritized selecting an edge over keeping him safe? I sure don't. We lose Jimmy again and no matter how good our D becomes we'll still be a non contender.

Plus looking around the NFL, you can have a suspect D and still win a lot of games. I'm not sure teams won't be placing a heavy emphasis on trying to build a powerhouse offense. Even the best defenses are being shredded by good offenses.

I don't think Joe is retiring, he's got $11 million reasons not to. He's also got a new best bud and If SF shows some promise next yr, I wouldn't be shocked if he signs another 1 yr deal into 2020. One of the best tackles in the league right now is 36 (Whitworth)

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by Nastastical:

I'm all for playing Williams inside for a year if Joe returns. My statement was addressing the post saying that some scouts believe Williams should be moved to guard permanently. He's a tackle and an excellent one at that with really polished technique that you don't see in many tackles coming into the league.

I'm also dead against putting Jimmy at risk with some nobody FA or draft project playing RT for him if Joe retires. In today's NFL, your RT needs to be just as good in pass protection as your LT. So moving McGlinchey to LT still leaves us in a bad spot.

Do you guys really want to spend 2019 with Jimmy on the sidelines again because we prioritized selecting an edge over keeping him safe? I sure don't. We lose Jimmy again and no matter how good our D becomes we'll still be a non contender.

Plus looking around the NFL, you can have a suspect D and still win a lot of games. I'm not sure teams won't be placing a heavy emphasis on trying to build a powerhouse offense. Even the best defenses are being shredded by good offenses.

"Garoppolo is mobile and gets rid of the ball very quickly."

This. I really believe we can get a decent RT in free agency or later in the draft. Heck, Trent Brown was found much much later and he's just not a system fit and let his weight got of control. We can find one if Glinch is truly our future LT IMHO.

Originally posted by philosoraptor:

Originally posted by Nastastical:

Originally posted by English:

"Garoppolo is mobile and gets rid of the ball very quickly."

Because we can expect the same Jimmy coming back from a torn ACL?

Why risk him running around the pocket to avoid rushers because we neglected finding a legit replacement for Staley if he retires?

Bosa isn't saving us if Jimmy gets hurt again because we failed to build a line that can protect him.

Torn ACL's for a pocket qb are not a big deal compared to something like a significant shoulder injury. Brady tore his 10 years ago and it had no lingering effect. We should prioritize tackle IF staley retires. That being said, if we have the first overall pick needs to be a an edge player. Thats where the best talent in this draft lies, and thats what we need desperately. We could trade back into the first and grab a tackle IF Staley retires. Our defense will not be able to take a step forward with out improvement off the edge.

If staley does return, we should prioritize getting a developmental tackle later in the draft either way.

Brady usually has a damn good offensive line to keep him clean.

Anyway my point was that while Bosa is a great player and fills a major need, possibly losing Staley makes adding a tackle our #1 priority imo. Good pass protecting tackles rarely make it to free agency and when the average ones become free agents they get paid like stars when they aren't even close to being worth their price tag. Look at what the Giants paid Solder this off season.

So now our alternative is throwing a reclamation project like Coleman out there or even worse some unready draft pick who might get Jimmy killed.

The difference between Bosa and someone like Winovich/Burns isn't as big as passing on Jonah Williams to select a second round tackle.

Hopefully Staley comes back and this allows us to go any direction we want, but after the season we are currently having, I can easily see a player calling it quits when it was already in his head. It's not always about the money with some players, look at Willis. Joe might just think it's not worth it when your season can go sideways in the blink of an eye.

Originally posted by Nastastical:

Originally posted by English:
"Garoppolo is mobile and gets rid of the ball very quickly."

Because we can expect the same Jimmy coming back from a torn ACL?

Why risk him running around the pocket to avoid rushers because we neglected finding a legit replacement for Staley if he retires?

Bosa isn't saving us if Jimmy gets hurt again because we failed to build a line that can protect him.

I wanna be part of 62-57 games too. No way in hell we pass on Bosa. But If for some reason we end up with Jonah, we better go all in and grab a WR too. If we go offense, GO OFFENSE.

Originally posted by Nastastical:
Brady usually has a damn good offensive line to keep him clean.

Anyway my point was that while Bosa is a great player and fills a major need, possibly losing Staley makes adding a tackle our #1 priority imo. Good pass protecting tackles rarely make it to free agency and when the average ones become free agents they get paid like stars when they aren't even close to being worth their price tag. Look at what the Giants paid Solder this off season.

So now our alternative is throwing a reclamation project like Coleman out there or even worse some unready draft pick who might get Jimmy killed.

The difference between Bosa and someone like Winovich/Burns isn't as big as passing on Jonah Williams to select a second round tackle.

Hopefully Staley comes back and this allows us to go any direction we want, but after the season we are currently having, I can easily see a player calling it quits when it was already in his head. It's not always about the money with some players, look at Willis. Joe might just think it's not worth it when your season can go sideways in the blink of an eye.

Not always true...Brady hasn't always had a good OL. He's currently got a 7th rd pick and a 5th rd pick as his tackles....again why is Joe retiring? He restructured his contract that gave him a raise this yr and next. Willis left because he was constantly injured and not playing to the level he wanted.

The difference between Winovich and burns compared to Bosa is huge lol...and the fact that they don't need a tackle until 2020 doesn't make it a priority especially at the expense of missing out on a blue chip EDGE rusher. You can NOT find top end talent in FA for edge rushers YOU can find quality RTs in FA and the 2nd and 3rd rds without question.

If by the grace of god Joe retires I'd rather sign Ja'Wuan James,Daryl Williams, Donovan Smith, or Bobby Massie and draft develop someone. IF he reitres in 2020 then go after Bryan Bulaga or La'el Collins.

Originally posted by Stanley:
I wanna be part of 62-57 games too. No way in hell we pass on Bosa. But If for some reason we end up with Jonah, we better go all in and grab a WR too. If we go offense, GO OFFENSE.

and we will hear the same people b***hing about how s**tty are defense is and how we let up 40 a game...edge rusher over a RT.

Originally posted by GNS1310:
Pack is struggling...not that there's a chance the Cards win on Sunday but it sure would be nice.
Raiders gonna get killed by the Chiefs...they stay put.
Seattle embarrasses us. We stay put.

Bosa is training for the NFL right now...getting ready for the combine. Kids gonna light it up. Gonna crush the combine and make jaws drop.
Take him at #1 and pray he has a healthy career.

One: SO WHAT HAPPENS IF THIS KID who has been training this long DOES NOT light up the COMBINE??

Two: (OT) Mandarich (EDGE) Mamula (QB) JaMarcus (RB) Richardson - few names that comes to mind who BLEW AWAY scouts at the combine with their "LIGHT OUTS" performances.

We have to spend some in FA for a RT if we need to. I'm sure Kyle is putting Coleman and Magnussson up to speed if That RT opens up next year. As for Bosa, I will be happy if he's there on our pick. But it's not the end of the word if the team opts to trade down and target a different ER.

Bosa signs with CAA.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/11/27/nick-bosa-signs-with-caa-officially-ending-college-career/

Originally posted by 9moon:

One: SO WHAT HAPPENS IF THIS KID who has been training this long DOES NOT light up the COMBINE??

Two: (OT) Mandarich (EDGE) Mamula (QB) JaMarcus (RB) Richardson - few names that comes to mind who BLEW AWAY scouts at the combine with their "LIGHT OUTS" performances.

Nobody is expecting him to destroy the Combine. He's as technically proficient a pass rusher as there has been over the past decade. He'll be drafted based on game film and not the underwear olympics.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Not always true...Brady hasn't always had a good OL. He's currently got a 7th rd pick and a 5th rd pick as his tackles....again why is Joe retiring? He restructured his contract that gave him a raise this yr and next. Willis left because he was constantly injured and not playing to the level he wanted.

The difference between Winovich and burns compared to Bosa is huge lol...and the fact that they don't need a tackle until 2020 doesn't make it a priority especially at the expense of missing out on a blue chip EDGE rusher. You can NOT find top end talent in FA for edge rushers YOU can find quality RTs in FA and the 2nd and 3rd rds without question.

If by the grace of god Joe retires I'd rather sign Ja'Wuan James,Daryl Williams, Donovan Smith, or Bobby Massie and draft develop someone. IF he reitres in 2020 then go after Bryan Bulaga or La'el Collins.

Well said. Thank you.

Originally posted by 9moon:
One: SO WHAT HAPPENS IF THIS KID who has been training this long DOES NOT light up the COMBINE??

Two: (OT) Mandarich (EDGE) Mamula (QB) JaMarcus (RB) Richardson - few names that comes to mind who BLEW AWAY scouts at the combine with their "LIGHT OUTS" performances.

I expect him to grade out similar to his brother...maybe a little faster in certain things. Proof is in the film though. If he stays healthy (we can say that about any football player) he's gonna be real good

Originally posted by Nastastical:
Brady usually has a damn good offensive line to keep him clean.

Anyway my point was that while Bosa is a great player and fills a major need, possibly losing Staley makes adding a tackle our #1 priority imo. Good pass protecting tackles rarely make it to free agency and when the average ones become free agents they get paid like stars when they aren't even close to being worth their price tag. Look at what the Giants paid Solder this off season.

So now our alternative is throwing a reclamation project like Coleman out there or even worse some unready draft pick who might get Jimmy killed.

The difference between Bosa and someone like Winovich/Burns isn't as big as passing on Jonah Williams to select a second round tackle.

Hopefully Staley comes back and this allows us to go any direction we want, but after the season we are currently having, I can easily see a player calling it quits when it was already in his head. It's not always about the money with some players, look at Willis. Joe might just think it's not worth it when your season can go sideways in the blink of an eye.

So you think POSSIBLY losing Joe makes our #1 need by far....our #2 need?

The difference between Bosa and certainly Winovich is HUGE. And Jonah isn't an Orlando Pace like prospect. He's probably closer to Eric Fisher who was a pretty serious let down as far as #1 overall pick but solid enough to maintain a career for the Chiefs.

You don't pass on a protypical edge rusher with so much advanced technique when it's your biggest need for the possibility that your LT may retire in a year or two. Especially when you drafted a replacement OT in the top 10 the year prior, even if it's at RT.

Coaching goes a long way. You mentioned Tom Brady...i'll show you that the QB impacts the OL as much as the players on the line in some cases.

In 2007 the Pats OL was on point. Brady was sacked somewhere like 20 something times while setting all those passing records and passing a crapload of times.

In 2008 after Brady got hurt Matt Cassel took over with virtually the same offensive roster save some depth WRs and TEs and the same exact OL. He threw the ball much less and was sacked twice as much as Brady.

Same OL - totally different production based on the QB playing.

Also go back to that AFC Championship game the Pats lost to the corpse of Peyton Manning. That game probably gave me the most respect for Brady out of any game at that point(Atlanta comeback was insane) he was playing like crap early in the game and was getting killed by the Denver pass rush yet he kept it together and if not for the missed XP earlier in the game by Gostkowski he ties that game.

And for most of his career his left tackle was Matt Light - a 2nd rounder. Nate Solder was the replacement and he was a low first rounder. You know who is their LT currently.

You don't always need elite talent at OT. It helps but technique is critical. On defense athletic ability and talent becomes much more important.

Nick Bosa is the perfect fit for need and ability. If the football gods can finally show us some mercy he will be a 49er and he will be a key player to reviving this team next year.