Nick Bosa, EDGE, Ohio St(The Politics Free Thread)

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by GNS1310:
Pack is struggling...not that there's a chance the Cards win on Sunday but it sure would be nice.
Raiders gonna get killed by the Chiefs...they stay put.
Seattle embarrasses us. We stay put.

Bosa is training for the NFL right now...getting ready for the combine. Kids gonna light it up. Gonna crush the combine and make jaws drop.
Take him at #1 and pray he has a healthy career.

One: SO WHAT HAPPENS IF THIS KID who has been training this long DOES NOT light up the COMBINE??

Two: (OT) Mandarich (EDGE) Mamula (QB) JaMarcus (RB) Richardson - few names that comes to mind who BLEW AWAY scouts at the combine with their "LIGHT OUTS" performances.

I'm curious to see his numbers but the tape doesn't lie. The man knows how to rush the passer. As others have said I'm expecting similar numbers to Joey.

Those big fukers move like they shouldn't be able to.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Nastastical:

Brady usually has a damn good offensive line to keep him clean.

Anyway my point was that while Bosa is a great player and fills a major need, possibly losing Staley makes adding a tackle our #1 priority imo. Good pass protecting tackles rarely make it to free agency and when the average ones become free agents they get paid like stars when they aren't even close to being worth their price tag. Look at what the Giants paid Solder this off season.

So now our alternative is throwing a reclamation project like Coleman out there or even worse some unready draft pick who might get Jimmy killed.

The difference between Bosa and someone like Winovich/Burns isn't as big as passing on Jonah Williams to select a second round tackle.

Hopefully Staley comes back and this allows us to go any direction we want, but after the season we are currently having, I can easily see a player calling it quits when it was already in his head. It's not always about the money with some players, look at Willis. Joe might just think it's not worth it when your season can go sideways in the blink of an eye.

So you think POSSIBLY losing Joe makes our #1 need by far....our #2 need?

The difference between Bosa and certainly Winovich is HUGE. And Jonah isn't an Orlando Pace like prospect. He's probably closer to Eric Fisher who was a pretty serious let down as far as #1 overall pick but solid enough to maintain a career for the Chiefs.

You don't pass on a protypical edge rusher with so much advanced technique when it's your biggest need for the possibility that your LT may retire in a year or two. Especially when you drafted a replacement OT in the top 10 the year prior, even if it's at RT.

Coaching goes a long way. You mentioned Tom Brady...i'll show you that the QB impacts the OL as much as the players on the line in some cases.

In 2007 the Pats OL was on point. Brady was sacked somewhere like 20 something times while setting all those passing records and passing a crapload of times.

In 2008 after Brady got hurt Matt Cassel took over with virtually the same offensive roster save some depth WRs and TEs and the same exact OL. He threw the ball much less and was sacked twice as much as Brady.

Same OL - totally different production based on the QB playing.

Also go back to that AFC Championship game the Pats lost to the corpse of Peyton Manning. That game probably gave me the most respect for Brady out of any game at that point(Atlanta comeback was insane) he was playing like crap early in the game and was getting killed by the Denver pass rush yet he kept it together and if not for the missed XP earlier in the game by Gostkowski he ties that game.

And for most of his career his left tackle was Matt Light - a 2nd rounder. Nate Solder was the replacement and he was a low first rounder. You know who is their LT currently.

You don't always need elite talent at OT. It helps but technique is critical. On defense athletic ability and talent becomes much more important.

Nick Bosa is the perfect fit for need and ability. If the football gods can finally show us some mercy he will be a 49er and he will be a key player to reviving this team next year.

What I don't think people on here get is that there is a big difference in Bosa and the rest of the edge class. This is not a great edge rushing class it's a deep one and that is important to understand. If we don't get the first pick, which I 100% think we won't, we shouldn't just say next edge rusher available. If the corner or tackle are much better prospects, or a combination of players by trading down like the linebacker bush and the top WR... we need to do that. The draft is all about getting the best talent possible. We aren't one decent edge rusher away, after this season we clearly have many holes on this roster.

Anyone who says you can't draft a defensive lineman again or you have to take an edge rusher should re evaluate their draft philosophy.

I've been one of the posters very critical of Lynch not getting an edge rusher but again it's because we basically put in no effort at all. Adding some veterans like graham, Matthews or Barrett could be the stop gap production we need. I'm really not sold on anyone besides Bosa and the only other edge rusher I think we could see enough value in drafting is Allen who I think needs a lot of work himself.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

What I don't think people on here get is that there is a big difference in Bosa and the rest of the edge class. This is not a great edge rushing class it's a deep one and that is important to understand. If we don't get the first pick, which I 100% think we won't, we shouldn't just say next edge rusher available. If the corner or tackle are much better prospects, or a combination of players by trading down like the linebacker bush and the top WR... we need to do that. The draft is all about getting the best talent possible. We aren't one decent edge rusher away, after this season we clearly have many holes on this roster.

Anyone who says you can't draft a defensive lineman again or you have to take an edge rusher should re evaluate their draft philosophy.

I've been one of the posters very critical of Lynch not getting an edge rusher but again it's because we basically put in no effort at all. Adding some veterans like graham, Matthews or Barrett could be the stop gap production we need. I'm really not sold on anyone besides Bosa and the only other edge rusher I think we could see enough value in drafting is Allen who I think needs a lot of work himself.

Because there is. Talent wise he's just hands down a lot better than anyone else. I also like Polite a lot but there is a reason he is a subpackage player. Bosa has the fewest flaws and drawbacks of any of the top pass rushing prospects.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
What I don't think people on here get is that there is a big difference in Bosa and the rest of the edge class. This is not a great edge rushing class it's a deep one and that is important to understand. If we don't get the first pick, which I 100% think we won't, we shouldn't just say next edge rusher available. If the corner or tackle are much better prospects, or a combination of players by trading down like the linebacker bush and the top WR... we need to do that. The draft is all about getting the best talent possible. We aren't one decent edge rusher away, after this season we clearly have many holes on this roster.

Anyone who says you can't draft a defensive lineman again or you have to take an edge rusher should re evaluate their draft philosophy.

I've been one of the posters very critical of Lynch not getting an edge rusher but again it's because we basically put in no effort at all. Adding some veterans like graham, Matthews or Barrett could be the stop gap production we need. I'm really not sold on anyone besides Bosa and the only other edge rusher I think we could see enough value in drafting is Allen who I think needs a lot of work himself.

Because there is. Talent wise he's just hands down a lot better than anyone else. I also like Polite a lot but there is a reason he is a subpackage player. Bosa has the fewest flaws and drawbacks of any of the top pass rushing prospects.

He's just a monster - that's all you can say about him.

I hope the niners will get rewarded with the 1st pick for this horrible season because if they don't it will be a damn shame . I truly believe the niners won't win another game . If the niners get the number 1 pick it is a slam dunk grantee that they will pick Nick bosa . Nick bosa is the best player by a wide margin and it's not even close . Nick bosa has it all . He has great hands . He has great pass rushing technique . The 49ers need to draft this kid . I don't care what any of these delusional niner fans say , we need to loose and get the number one pick lol

Originally posted by Waterbear:
What I don't think people on here get is that there is a big difference in Bosa and the rest of the edge class. This is not a great edge rushing class it's a deep one and that is important to understand. If we don't get the first pick, which I 100% think we won't, we shouldn't just say next edge rusher available. If the corner or tackle are much better prospects, or a combination of players by trading down like the linebacker bush and the top WR... we need to do that. The draft is all about getting the best talent possible. We aren't one decent edge rusher away, after this season we clearly have many holes on this roster.

Anyone who says you can't draft a defensive lineman again or you have to take an edge rusher should re evaluate their draft philosophy.

I've been one of the posters very critical of Lynch not getting an edge rusher but again it's because we basically put in no effort at all. Adding some veterans like graham, Matthews or Barrett could be the stop gap production we need. I'm really not sold on anyone besides Bosa and the only other edge rusher I think we could see enough value in drafting is Allen who I think needs a lot of work himself.

Have to disagree with you there. It's a great edge class but Bosa is easily the best of the bunch which is why it's critical we land him. When you get the best of the bunch that's a win.

Having said that if we do fuk this up and win a game or two(very doubtful) and push ourselves out of his range Jachai Polite and Josh Allen are next guys in play but Clelin Ferrell, Brian Burns, Montez Sweat and maybe even Joe Jackson are first round caliber talents. There will be some others who produce as well.

As far as adding guys in free agency if we sign guys like you mention it can't be a stop gap with nobody being taken in the draft to go with them. This IS the offseason we finally hit those edge rusher needs.

If they don't bring in at LEAST 2 guys on edge via draft and/or FA then i'm going to rage.

Is Bosa better than Demarcus Lawrence right now?

Originally posted by KamLeon:
Is Bosa better than Demarcus Lawrence right now?

Nobody can answer that. But Baby Bosa and Lawrence win in VERY similar ways.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by KamLeon:

Is Bosa better than Demarcus Lawrence right now?

Nobody can answer that. But Baby Bosa and Lawrence win in VERY similar ways.

I'd rather trade back and go with Ferrell and Lawrence/Ansah and pocket a couple extra picks instead of taking a chance with Bosa and if he's a "generational talent" as many here have stated, then it should be easy to get some high picks in compensation for him.

Originally posted by KamLeon:
Lawrence/Ansah

Lawrence won't hit free agency; Ansah can't stay healthy. He's only been active for four games this season.

This subject will be beaten to death by April. It kind of already is. Time to close it up until after the season so we can at least see where we stand in the draft.

Originally posted by KamLeon:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by KamLeon:
Is Bosa better than Demarcus Lawrence right now?

Nobody can answer that. But Baby Bosa and Lawrence win in VERY similar ways.

I'd rather trade back and go with Ferrell and Lawrence/Ansah and pocket a couple extra picks instead of taking a chance with Bosa and if he's a "generational talent" as many here have stated, then it should be easy to get some high picks in compensation for him.

Maybe you can email Jerry Jones and ask him to please not sign Lawrence so the 49ers can offer him a FA deal. LOL Not a chance that Lawrence will be available.

Walsh would never use the number 1 pick knowing we have as many holes as we do. He would trade down like logic and common sense would suggest to acquire multiple picks and begin to address glaring weaknesses on our team. To use the number 1 pick on nick bosa is insane.

Originally posted by SupremeLeader16:
Walsh would never use the number 1 pick knowing we have as many holes as we do. He would trade down like logic and common sense would suggest to acquire multiple picks and begin to address glaring weaknesses on our team. To use the number 1 pick on nick bosa is insane.

You might be right. He did trade the #2 pick in the 1980 draft for the 13th and 20th pick. I bet if he had to do it all over again he would have just drafted Anthony Munoz and passed on Earl Cooper and Jim Stuckey.

Using the #1 pick on Nick Bosa is hardly insane. Its the right thing to do unless a team blows them away with a great offer. Who would you draft instead anyway?