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Originally posted by SupremeLeader16:
Walsh would never use the number 1 pick knowing we have as many holes as we do. He would trade down like logic and common sense would suggest to acquire multiple picks and begin to address glaring weaknesses on our team. To use the number 1 pick on nick bosa is insane.

"We should trade down -- there is no one worth picking at our spot." Even though Walsh loved to move up or down, he felt that scouts always wanted to trade down to avoid putting their reputations on the line. He didn't like scouts shying away from making the tough call when he had to make tough calls all the time. He would ask scouts/personnel directors: "What do you want us to do: Pass on the pick?" When the cost of draft picks soared in prior years, moving down was a great option. But with the new collective bargaining agreement's reduced rookie pay scale, it is not as financially dangerous to just make the pick. Walsh believed there was always someone worth picking, because three years from any draft, people will look back at the great players in the league who were passed over by a number of teams. Once again, Walsh was all about the talent, not the spot.
Originally posted by KamLeon:
I'd rather trade back and go with Ferrell and Lawrence/Ansah and pocket a couple extra picks instead of taking a chance with Bosa and if he's a "generational talent" as many here have stated, then it should be easy to get some high picks in compensation for him.


I'd like them to sign Lawrence too but it is highly unlikely that Dallas lets him walk. As far as Ansah, I'll pass on a 20 something pass rusher that looks like he's 47 and is frequently injured.
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by SupremeLeader16:
Walsh would never use the number 1 pick knowing we have as many holes as we do. He would trade down like logic and common sense would suggest to acquire multiple picks and begin to address glaring weaknesses on our team. To use the number 1 pick on nick bosa is insane.

You might be right. He did trade the #2 pick in the 1980 draft for the 13th and 20th pick. I bet if he had to do it all over again he would have just drafted Anthony Munoz and passed on Earl Cooper and Jim Stuckey.

Using the #1 pick on Nick Bosa is hardly insane. Its the right thing to do unless a team blows them away with a great offer. Who would you draft instead anyway?
He traded the number 3 pick in 2000 for 12 and 24 and two second round picks. Then traded #12 to jets for 16 and another 3rd rounder. We ended up with julian Peterson Ahmed Plummer Jason Webster and John Engelberger. All were solid players and had us right back In contention within a year. Soooo....

Also I would trade down from 1 to like 5 and trade again to like 7-8 and get BPA.
[ Edited by SupremeLeader16 on Nov 27, 2018 at 2:47 PM ]
Why is everyone so fast to trade down from 1 of that happens?

You all love Lynch and co drafting ability all of a sudden? Like he will draft 4 home runs instead of Bosa? What are the odds of that lol.

If we pick # 1 I better see them sprint the Bosa card up to the commissioner. Best talent in the draft at the exact position of need requires no thought imo.
Originally posted by SupremeLeader16:
He traded the number 3 pick in 2000 for 12 and 24 and two second round picks. Then traded #12 to jets for 16 and another 3rd rounder. We ended up with julian Peterson Ahmed Plummer Jason Webster and John Engelberger. All were solid players and had us right back In contention within a year. Soooo....

Also I would trade down from 1 to like 5 and trade again to like 7-8 and get BPA.
Get your facts right.

49ers traded the 3rd pick for the 12th and 24th pick plus a 4th and 5th rd pick. They didnt get an additional 2 2nd rd picks in that deal.
Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Why is everyone so fast to trade down from 1 of that happens?

You all love Lynch and co drafting ability all of a sudden? Like he will draft 4 home runs instead of Bosa? What are the odds of that lol.

If we pick # 1 I better see them sprint the Bosa card up to the commissioner. Best talent in the draft at the exact position of need requires no thought imo.

What don't you get we need players? We can easily get at least one more first rounder for the year after as well. Bosa is not a slam dunk at #1. Nobody is. But we can maneuver in order to set ourselves up for 2019 and the future. We gonna make the same mistake we did with Solomon that we did drafting bosa. Use the pick to get more bodies but gonna use that pick to draft somone who is over hyped. Solomon Thomas was way overhyped and it's showing. Good lord you guys are something else.
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by SupremeLeader16:
He traded the number 3 pick in 2000 for 12 and 24 and two second round picks. Then traded #12 to jets for 16 and another 3rd rounder. We ended up with julian Peterson Ahmed Plummer Jason Webster and John Engelberger. All were solid players and had us right back In contention within a year. Soooo....

Also I would trade down from 1 to like 5 and trade again to like 7-8 and get BPA.
Get your facts right.

49ers traded the 3rd pick for the 12th and 24th pick plus a 4th and 5th rd pick. They didnt get an additional 2 2nd rd picks in that deal.

Yeah but they traded with jets and got an additional pick in second. The point is we turned that one pick into multiple picks that helped us out tremendously instead of picking one player that would only address one need.
Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Why is everyone so fast to trade down from 1 of that happens?

You all love Lynch and co drafting ability all of a sudden? Like he will draft 4 home runs instead of Bosa? What are the odds of that lol.

If we pick # 1 I better see them sprint the Bosa card up to the commissioner. Best talent in the draft at the exact position of need requires no thought imo.

I think it comes down to how big the offer would be. If a team offered multiple 1st rd picks this year and a 1st rd pick next year I would make the trade. Bosa can be great but I would move down if it meant getting THREE first rd picks. But, short of that I would simply make him the pick.
Originally posted by SupremeLeader16:
What don't you get we need players? We can easily get at least one more first rounder for the year after as well. Bosa is not a slam dunk at #1. Nobody is. But we can maneuver in order to set ourselves up for 2019 and the future. We gonna make the same mistake we did with Solomon that we did drafting bosa. Use the pick to get more bodies but gonna use that pick to draft somone who is over hyped. Solomon Thomas was way overhyped and it's showing. Good lord you guys are something else.

We traded down when we drafted Solomon facts
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by SupremeLeader16:
He traded the number 3 pick in 2000 for 12 and 24 and two second round picks. Then traded #12 to jets for 16 and another 3rd rounder. We ended up with julian Peterson Ahmed Plummer Jason Webster and John Engelberger. All were solid players and had us right back In contention within a year. Soooo....

Also I would trade down from 1 to like 5 and trade again to like 7-8 and get BPA.
Get your facts right.

49ers traded the 3rd pick for the 12th and 24th pick plus a 4th and 5th rd pick. They didnt get an additional 2 2nd rd picks in that deal.

Supreme doesn't believe in little things like facts John!
Originally posted by genus49:
Have to disagree with you there. It's a great edge class but Bosa is easily the best of the bunch which is why it's critical we land him. When you get the best of the bunch that's a win.

Having said that if we do fuk this up and win a game or two(very doubtful) and push ourselves out of his range Jachai Polite and Josh Allen are next guys in play but Clelin Ferrell, Brian Burns, Montez Sweat and maybe even Joe Jackson are first round caliber talents. There will be some others who produce as well.

As far as adding guys in free agency if we sign guys like you mention it can't be a stop gap with nobody being taken in the draft to go with them. This IS the offseason we finally hit those edge rusher needs.

If they don't bring in at LEAST 2 guys on edge via draft and/or FA then i'm going to rage.

I have a late first and most early second round grade on most of those guys. I think we should target a rusher if we can but staying put and drafting one of the edge rushers might not be the best value. Trading down far is what I think I'm leaning too if we miss out of Bosa.
Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by SupremeLeader16:
He traded the number 3 pick in 2000 for 12 and 24 and two second round picks. Then traded #12 to jets for 16 and another 3rd rounder. We ended up with julian Peterson Ahmed Plummer Jason Webster and John Engelberger. All were solid players and had us right back In contention within a year. Soooo....

Also I would trade down from 1 to like 5 and trade again to like 7-8 and get BPA.
Get your facts right.

49ers traded the 3rd pick for the 12th and 24th pick plus a 4th and 5th rd pick. They didnt get an additional 2 2nd rd picks in that deal.

Supreme doesn't believe in little things like facts John!

Whoaaa niners got the extra second from jets and not Washington OMG!
Originally posted by SupremeLeader16:
Yeah but they traded with jets and got an additional pick in second. The point is we turned that one pick into multiple picks that helped us out tremendously instead of picking one player that would only address one need.

Just because they added picks doesnt mean it was smart. This trade with the Jets, while getting an additional pick, cost them the chance to draft John Abraham who the Jets selected. Personally, I would rather have had the dominant pass rusher than the extra draft pick.
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:
Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Why is everyone so fast to trade down from 1 of that happens?

You all love Lynch and co drafting ability all of a sudden? Like he will draft 4 home runs instead of Bosa? What are the odds of that lol.

If we pick # 1 I better see them sprint the Bosa card up to the commissioner. Best talent in the draft at the exact position of need requires no thought imo.

I think it comes down to how big the offer would be. If a team offered multiple 1st rd picks this year and a 1st rd pick next year I would make the trade. Bosa can be great but I would move down if it meant getting THREE first rd picks. But, short of that I would simply make him the pick.

Exactly, but that will never happen he's not a franchise QB. Just draft him. These guys act like getting 4 picks means 4 starters lol
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