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Originally posted by Ninerjohn:Maybe you can email Jerry Jones and ask him to please not sign Lawrence so the 49ers can offer him a FA deal. LOL Not a chance that Lawrence will be available.
Originally posted by genus49:It's possible but I'm not sure the math would play out. Of course in situations like this it's never good but I think there's more of a chance Oakland taking it versus Arizona.
Arizona needs Atlanta to lose and Washington to lose, those are the only two teams we don't play that they do. And if Atlanta loses to them...it puts them at 3-13(assuming we still lose out)
Oakland plays a very different schedule but their SOS seems to be much higher than ours with Chiefs, Chargers and now Denver winning a bit more.
Hopefully Oakland beats Cinci and Cardinals pull one out of their ass vs Lions or Atlanta and we're the only team with 2 wins at the end of the season so we can get #1 and #33(great pick to have for trades as well)
Originally posted by genus49:So you think POSSIBLY losing Joe makes our #1 need by far....our #2 need?
The difference between Bosa and certainly Winovich is HUGE. And Jonah isn't an Orlando Pace like prospect. He's probably closer to Eric Fisher who was a pretty serious let down as far as #1 overall pick but solid enough to maintain a career for the Chiefs.
You don't pass on a protypical edge rusher with so much advanced technique when it's your biggest need for the possibility that your LT may retire in a year or two. Especially when you drafted a replacement OT in the top 10 the year prior, even if it's at RT.
Coaching goes a long way. You mentioned Tom Brady...i'll show you that the QB impacts the OL as much as the players on the line in some cases.
In 2007 the Pats OL was on point. Brady was sacked somewhere like 20 something times while setting all those passing records and passing a crapload of times.
In 2008 after Brady got hurt Matt Cassel took over with virtually the same offensive roster save some depth WRs and TEs and the same exact OL. He threw the ball much less and was sacked twice as much as Brady.
Same OL - totally different production based on the QB playing.
Also go back to that AFC Championship game the Pats lost to the corpse of Peyton Manning. That game probably gave me the most respect for Brady out of any game at that point(Atlanta comeback was insane) he was playing like crap early in the game and was getting killed by the Denver pass rush yet he kept it together and if not for the missed XP earlier in the game by Gostkowski he ties that game.
And for most of his career his left tackle was Matt Light - a 2nd rounder. Nate Solder was the replacement and he was a low first rounder. You know who is their LT currently.
You don't always need elite talent at OT. It helps but technique is critical. On defense athletic ability and talent becomes much more important.
Nick Bosa is the perfect fit for need and ability. If the football gods can finally show us some mercy he will be a 49er and he will be a key player to reviving this team next year.
Originally posted by Ninerjohn:You might be right. He did trade the #2 pick in the 1980 draft for the 13th and 20th pick. I bet if he had to do it all over again he would have just drafted Anthony Munoz and passed on Earl Cooper and Jim Stuckey.
Using the #1 pick on Nick Bosa is hardly insane. Its the right thing to do unless a team blows them away with a great offer. Who would you draft instead anyway?
Originally posted by NYniner85:Originally posted by genus49:So you think POSSIBLY losing Joe makes our #1 need by far....our #2 need?
The difference between Bosa and certainly Winovich is HUGE. And Jonah isn't an Orlando Pace like prospect. He's probably closer to Eric Fisher who was a pretty serious let down as far as #1 overall pick but solid enough to maintain a career for the Chiefs.
You don't pass on a protypical edge rusher with so much advanced technique when it's your biggest need for the possibility that your LT may retire in a year or two. Especially when you drafted a replacement OT in the top 10 the year prior, even if it's at RT.
Coaching goes a long way. You mentioned Tom Brady...i'll show you that the QB impacts the OL as much as the players on the line in some cases.
In 2007 the Pats OL was on point. Brady was sacked somewhere like 20 something times while setting all those passing records and passing a crapload of times.
In 2008 after Brady got hurt Matt Cassel took over with virtually the same offensive roster save some depth WRs and TEs and the same exact OL. He threw the ball much less and was sacked twice as much as Brady.
Same OL - totally different production based on the QB playing.
Also go back to that AFC Championship game the Pats lost to the corpse of Peyton Manning. That game probably gave me the most respect for Brady out of any game at that point(Atlanta comeback was insane) he was playing like crap early in the game and was getting killed by the Denver pass rush yet he kept it together and if not for the missed XP earlier in the game by Gostkowski he ties that game.
And for most of his career his left tackle was Matt Light - a 2nd rounder. Nate Solder was the replacement and he was a low first rounder. You know who is their LT currently.
You don't always need elite talent at OT. It helps but technique is critical. On defense athletic ability and talent becomes much more important.
Nick Bosa is the perfect fit for need and ability. If the football gods can finally show us some mercy he will be a 49er and he will be a key player to reviving this team next year.
Great examples
Originally posted by Waterbear:Originally posted by NYniner85:Originally posted by genus49:So you think POSSIBLY losing Joe makes our #1 need by far....our #2 need?
The difference between Bosa and certainly Winovich is HUGE. And Jonah isn't an Orlando Pace like prospect. He's probably closer to Eric Fisher who was a pretty serious let down as far as #1 overall pick but solid enough to maintain a career for the Chiefs.
You don't pass on a protypical edge rusher with so much advanced technique when it's your biggest need for the possibility that your LT may retire in a year or two. Especially when you drafted a replacement OT in the top 10 the year prior, even if it's at RT.
Coaching goes a long way. You mentioned Tom Brady...i'll show you that the QB impacts the OL as much as the players on the line in some cases.
In 2007 the Pats OL was on point. Brady was sacked somewhere like 20 something times while setting all those passing records and passing a crapload of times.
In 2008 after Brady got hurt Matt Cassel took over with virtually the same offensive roster save some depth WRs and TEs and the same exact OL. He threw the ball much less and was sacked twice as much as Brady.
Same OL - totally different production based on the QB playing.
Also go back to that AFC Championship game the Pats lost to the corpse of Peyton Manning. That game probably gave me the most respect for Brady out of any game at that point(Atlanta comeback was insane) he was playing like crap early in the game and was getting killed by the Denver pass rush yet he kept it together and if not for the missed XP earlier in the game by Gostkowski he ties that game.
And for most of his career his left tackle was Matt Light - a 2nd rounder. Nate Solder was the replacement and he was a low first rounder. You know who is their LT currently.
You don't always need elite talent at OT. It helps but technique is critical. On defense athletic ability and talent becomes much more important.
Nick Bosa is the perfect fit for need and ability. If the football gods can finally show us some mercy he will be a 49er and he will be a key player to reviving this team next year.
Great examples
I forget who said it but inside pressure is worse than outside. Having guards who can pass protect is extremely important. I know Tomlinson and person are upgrades to what we have had but that's not saying much. I would be okay with the tackle if he can be solid at guard for a stint but I don't know if that would be the case
Originally posted by Cisco0623:Originally posted by Waterbear:Originally posted by NYniner85:Originally posted by genus49:So you think POSSIBLY losing Joe makes our #1 need by far....our #2 need?
The difference between Bosa and certainly Winovich is HUGE. And Jonah isn't an Orlando Pace like prospect. He's probably closer to Eric Fisher who was a pretty serious let down as far as #1 overall pick but solid enough to maintain a career for the Chiefs.
You don't pass on a protypical edge rusher with so much advanced technique when it's your biggest need for the possibility that your LT may retire in a year or two. Especially when you drafted a replacement OT in the top 10 the year prior, even if it's at RT.
Coaching goes a long way. You mentioned Tom Brady...i'll show you that the QB impacts the OL as much as the players on the line in some cases.
In 2007 the Pats OL was on point. Brady was sacked somewhere like 20 something times while setting all those passing records and passing a crapload of times.
In 2008 after Brady got hurt Matt Cassel took over with virtually the same offensive roster save some depth WRs and TEs and the same exact OL. He threw the ball much less and was sacked twice as much as Brady.
Same OL - totally different production based on the QB playing.
Also go back to that AFC Championship game the Pats lost to the corpse of Peyton Manning. That game probably gave me the most respect for Brady out of any game at that point(Atlanta comeback was insane) he was playing like crap early in the game and was getting killed by the Denver pass rush yet he kept it together and if not for the missed XP earlier in the game by Gostkowski he ties that game.
And for most of his career his left tackle was Matt Light - a 2nd rounder. Nate Solder was the replacement and he was a low first rounder. You know who is their LT currently.
You don't always need elite talent at OT. It helps but technique is critical. On defense athletic ability and talent becomes much more important.
Nick Bosa is the perfect fit for need and ability. If the football gods can finally show us some mercy he will be a 49er and he will be a key player to reviving this team next year.
Great examples
I forget who said it but inside pressure is worse than outside. Having guards who can pass protect is extremely important. I know Tomlinson and person are upgrades to what we have had but that's not saying much. I would be okay with the tackle if he can be solid at guard for a stint but I don't know if that would be the case
Absolutely. Every time Brady loses its to legit pressure. And if you can do it up the middle god bless. (I'll show my age and say think Young and Stubblefield). Giants had Strahan/osi on the edge and Tuck inside. They were all over him all game. No pocket.
I don't care if it's Brady or Montana. If you snap the ball and 1 second later the inside linemen are getting pushed back or beaten you aren't throwing many passes that will hurt. You notice Brady mostly works out of shotgun so he can survey the field and buy some time.
That's why my pants get tight at the thought of Bosa. Legit edge rush will absolutely help Buckner wreak havoc inside. If Thomas catches on, look out. It's such a dream it won't happen :(
Originally posted by Waterbear:http://www.tankathon.com/nfl
Bosa would change everything on defense. People saying we should trade down if we have the first pick need their heads examined lol.
Anyone know if we have the SOS tiebreaker? Thought I saw somewhere we do.
Originally posted by tjd808185:So Joey Bosa is the leo in SD for Bradley. They also got Ingram there. Obviously they're killing it and finished 2nd in sacks as a duo. Anyone know how they play from each alignment? Very curious how much wide rushing he does for them. I ask because I don't think we'd be as versatile if that's what SD does. See Solly.
Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:Ingram is the Leo. Bosa plays opppsite him.
Originally posted by tjd808185:That makes alot more sense but from I read they had Bosa at leo.